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Goldenmane
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 Posted - 09 Aug 2014 : 12:58:05 PM
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| Oh for crying out loud, this is hypothetical, but if one of my horses was involved in this type of case I would be behind Doug. |
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Kharidian
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Posted - 09 Aug 2014 : 1:13:15 PM
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Oh no, how awful to prolong it like this.-
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Kharidian (Prince Sadik x Khiri)........ Alkara Cassino (H Tobago x Rose Aboud)
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barbara.gregory
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 09 Aug 2014 : 2:19:07 PM
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"Oh for crying out loud, this is hypothetical, but if one of my horses was involved in this type of case I would be behind Doug."
Sadly we must bide our time as if we jeapordise a fair trial they will get off and that would be a tragedy, we MUST NOT speak out, Doug knows that and I would beg him to be careful what he writes. I beg you all to wait with those of us who have lost our beloved horses. Once justice has been done we can comment and rejoice in knowing that (hopefully) they will never be allowed to own another animal and they will be called to account for their terrible crimes.
Please, please, be very careful what you write.
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heathermcbreen
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Posted - 09 Aug 2014 : 4:39:02 PM
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| I think it is ok to write this.... on top of all the other issues ... dragging it out is probably costing tax payers money just to insult us with further injustice. I dont understand why cases like this always get strung out. I guess there are a few fat lawyers doing nicely out of it. So many famously guilty people get to "appeal" their cases. If they have been found guilty how come they get another go at "getting away with it" ?? Am I missing something here ??? And if they end up in prison and get a sentence why do they only get to "serve half of it" surely if the judge says "10 years" a criminal should serve that time. If they are badly behaved they should have time added on top. Instead they say "if you are good we will let you go sooner" I have given up on thinking people get what they deserve.... mostly they dont ! |
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bridie
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Posted - 09 Aug 2014 : 5:04:04 PM
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Ari
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Posted - 09 Aug 2014 : 5:06:15 PM
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Heather I so agree the cost must be very high and only lawyers benefit.
Our judicial system is proving to have many and varied options adding to the heartache by making closure slow and frustrating for innocent victims.
Our 100% support and empathy is without question but the best we can do now is to ensure due process is not further delayed or jeopardized by anything posted on a public forum.
Please accept my post as being what my "sensible" head is saying not my spirit or heart
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barbara.gregory
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Posted - 09 Aug 2014 : 7:02:13 PM
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Please accept my post as being what my "sensible" head is saying not my spirit or heart"
Ari, we all have to post from our heads and not our hearts; once justice is done it will different we can post from our pain and sorrow.
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garnet
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Libby Frost
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doug ault
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Quarabian
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Wales
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Posted - 10 Aug 2014 : 09:41:55 AM
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Callisto
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Posted - 10 Aug 2014 : 11:28:16 AM
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| If, as I believe, this case is being brought by the RSPCA, then they will be covering the prosecution costs. The Peels will have to cover their own costs. Even if they are not found guilty it will have cost them an awful lot of money. I doubt that their reputation will recover either. If they are found guilty then I believe that the RSPCA can apply to recover the cost of prosecution (please correct me if I am wrong). This is small consolation to those who are still waiting for information about the fate of individual horses, and I appreciate the anger and frustration at this latest delay, but hang on in there folks. |
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barbara.gregory
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 10 Aug 2014 : 2:02:59 PM
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Yes, I am sure the RSPCA can recover their costs, they did with Spindle's Farm and the farm had to be sold; I think that the Grey's were declared bankrupt. As the Peels only rented their farm I guess there won't be a lot of money to recover from them.
"I doubt that their reputation will recover either."
Callisto, their reputation will stay with them for the rest of their lives, and rightly so.
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catherine1960
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England
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Posted - 11 Aug 2014 : 10:04:08 AM
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| Barbara the cost of this will not be recovered from the Peels as they have no or very little assets to meet the legal bill. They are getting all this on legal aid, and as for Stephen Peel trying to pull the 'mental illness' card I think he pulled that stunt when he was done for the dead sheep.Hopefully once the report is in then they might be able to punch some holes in it, but on speaking to my boss and a couple of work colleagues of his (barristers all) they have a terrible feeling they are going to walk away with a suspended sentence.I sincerely hope they don't but they could well do if the report is written by someone very good in the area of complete fiction. I know this is so hard for all those of you who have had horses with this vile couple and I cannot even begin to imagine the nightmare you are all living right now, but be prepared for a verdict that no decent minded person would want to hear. |
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barbara.gregory
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 11 Aug 2014 : 11:19:32 AM
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Catherine, sadly what you say is true; a lot depends on whether the judge is a true animal lover. A judge said, and I quote, "buying a horse is exactly like buying a tin of beans"! A tin of beans obviously needs to be fed (at great expense), watered, execised, mucked out, have it's feet and teeth rasped (do tins of beans have feet and teeth???), wormed and loved. Yes, clearly it is exactly the same, how could we all be so stupid that we didn't see that, only the very clever judge.
I realise that the Peels now have no assets, (most of them are dead) and the RSPCA will not be able to recover their costs but seeing REAL justice done would go a long way to compensating for that and the only real justice is a long jail sentence and a lifetime ban on keeping any animals; it is not just our loved horses who suffered and died but sheep and dogs as well, possibly other animals such a hens/ducks etc that we haven't heard about.
RIP all the lost ones. |
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gem@oakmeister
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Posted - 11 Aug 2014 : 6:54:32 PM
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| There is nothing going through my mind at the moment that I can put into print. I have a horrid feeling the pair of them are going to walk. |
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debs
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Posted - 11 Aug 2014 : 7:58:49 PM
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| Urge don't say that. Let's hope the RSPCA put as much effort into this as some of their other cases. Fingers crossed for justice. |
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barbara.gregory
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Posted - 12 Aug 2014 : 09:51:57 AM
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"I have a horrid feeling the pair of them are going to walk."
No, I won't believe that. I have heard someting that might be one of the resons for the delay and it is even worse than what is out there at the moment if it is true. If it is I am sure they won't walk.
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Libby Frost
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Posted - 12 Aug 2014 : 09:54:20 AM
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please be careful of what we say on here folks ... |
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CINDERS
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England
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Posted - 13 Aug 2014 : 1:01:23 PM
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Here Here
Recently two cases involving dogs have collapsed because of comments on Social Media haveing been seen to prejudice the trial |
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Libby Frost
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ella
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barbara.gregory
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Fireandashes
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Posted - 13 Sep 2014 : 10:37:26 AM
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Unless both sides have employed barristers no one will be benefiting from the delays. Legal aid in civil cases is provided by non-lawyers or lawyers working pro bono (for free) for not-for-profit organisations. The qualifying criteria for legal aid has been tightened up significantly. The RSPCA will cover their own prosecution costs as already stated.
The reason for long adjournments like this is usually because all the parties - judge, defence and prosecution advocates - will already be booked into court for other cases which are all just as important to those victims is as this one is to people here. Courts are booked full weeks and in some cases months ahead.
I know it's incredibly hard to be patient and keep schtum, but that's the best thing to do so as not to risk jeopardising the outcome. |
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