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basbob
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 Posted - 27 Oct 2012 : 8:19:05 PM
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| and it does seem that Colin Vogel has issues with the RSPCA going back a few years - google |
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sasha
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 27 Oct 2012 : 8:54:57 PM
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So with a bed as deep as the one shown in the photos, has the horse in question been encased in this filth for a long time without being allowed to be turned out to graze.Poor animal would have to jump to get out of this filthy prison.
Guilty as charged.
You should be ashamed. |
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phoenixbruka
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England
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Posted - 27 Oct 2012 : 9:34:22 PM
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Sorry zareeba but would you like a bigger canoe to paddle up denile!!
What a load of utter tosh, we all saw the photo's , please have the good grace to stop treating us like total fools
The photos we're there for all to see and SHAME ON YOU for being so brazen to continue to deny it!!
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sunny
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Posted - 27 Oct 2012 : 10:07:56 PM
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Isn't it strange how people can not see their own wrong doing?? and i bet even after reading all these threads they will still believe or excuse themselves with excuses I hope and prey they do not EVER own a horse again in their lifetime please. Those poor defensive little darlings being given such a poor exsistance and sad ending. The proof is in the pudding with "experts" expert in laziness, mindlessness, crealty and heartlessness. Perhaps a book could be written on how not to treat a horse and knowing when the time to stop being ignorant, selfish and arrogant and ask for help is. I hope this is read,absorbed and a long look in the mirror is taken. I honestly don't know how they could continue to accept royaltys from those books in the future maybe they could donate royalties to RSPCA or World wide protection of horses in rememberance and exceptance of the wrong doing. |
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pippic
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Posted - 27 Oct 2012 : 10:23:16 PM
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You pleaded not guilty. This meant you went to court for trial. The court heard all the evidence from the prosecution, the court heard all the evidence in your defence. You were found guilty.
You were not tried by the media, you were tried in a court of law. If you are innocent why are you complaining to the PCC? Why are you not appealing against your conviction? |
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Judith S
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Kazzy
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England
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Posted - 28 Oct 2012 : 09:49:26 AM
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If the Experts could not convince the judge and jury that you did now wrong then I dont know what to say only that really the pictuires speak for themsleves dont they.
You said that no pain releif was given or care but from the photos there is clearly one horse getting treatment becuase it has a gagg on, presumely having its teeth done.
Lesley, I ask again, why did you now ask for help? Did them poor horses ever get out of their stables to roam around and graze (exept the stallions of course) from what I can see in those stables I think it would be highly unlikely they ever got out unless they jumped out!
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BabsR
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England
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Posted - 28 Oct 2012 : 11:03:08 AM
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No sympathy here....Guilty as charged!! How could you possibly have let those poor horses suffer such unforgivable neglect?? Thank goodness you have been banned for life...at least no more horses will suffer what those unfortunate souls have had to endure!! You have been proved selfish and uncaring to the highest degree. Don`t know how you could have slept at night whilst knowing the obvious pain and suffering you were subjecting your horses to.
No excuse....why did you not ask for help, as I am sure A/Liners would have found a way to step in and save the suffering of your horses
Really do not know how you have the face to now come on AL and expect we would feel sorry for you and believe what you are saying in your defence. Pictures do not tell lies!!
Babs
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Libby Frost
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 28 Oct 2012 : 11:33:17 AM
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the horses would not have been able to get out with the beds so high, i dont think. I think the picture of Nivalis will haunt me for ever ..  |
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Vik1
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Posted - 28 Oct 2012 : 11:38:01 AM
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It was the height of the deep litter bed that did it for me. Theres deep litter and then theres that!
It barely had headroom and the top of the door is lower than the roof.
How would the horse get out the door if there had been a fire?
I cant believe you are still in denial and think you did nothing wrong.
You say you had already made the decision to have the horse pts day after. How can we believe this?! My faith has gone Im afraid. |
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gossy
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England
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Posted - 28 Oct 2012 : 2:12:27 PM
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Sazza
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England
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Posted - 28 Oct 2012 : 6:33:53 PM
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| Speechless... I can't understand how someone lucky enough to have horses can let them suffer in that way. I just hope Jaz is signed over and is rehomed to someone who will give him the care, love and respect any horse deserves. |
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sasha
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United Kingdom
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JESSIEMAE
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England
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Posted - 28 Oct 2012 : 7:39:48 PM
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Omg Sasha, just reading that and seeing this beautiful boy in his prime has made me cry..x
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sasha
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 28 Oct 2012 : 8:04:17 PM
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Guess they won't be selling many more copies of that book!
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Offira
Platinum Member
England
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Posted - 29 Oct 2012 : 07:09:15 AM
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Do you know Lesley, I was prepared to believe that it was an RSPCA over reaction. They had swept in and found an old horse with no teeth looking a bit light and another in the grip of laminitis and went for it. Or that you had some sort of dreadful depression and despite everything it had all got too much temporarily.
But that stable, that is well over a year of rotting matter. Yes deep litter is brilliant for laminitis but how long had that horse been stuck in there. Why was your vet prescribing pain relief for that length of time to a horse that could not get out of his box? To have 3 with laminitis seems... well.
That tribute to Nivalis on here and another one I have since read by Brian on a car forum is deluded in the extreme. That horse was stuck in his stable and you were inside writing a book and were going to plant snowdrops on his grave. You failed to make the right decision for him, that is where you failed.
Brian is eulogising about going out to dig a hole to bury him and that you might have to dig him up later for research purposes. Why did you never think to dig his stable out when he was alive or put the poor horse out of his misery?
Photos of him lying there dead appeared in the National press. How you failed that horse.
I've re read the points you make about the RSPCA and clearly there are some holes - I presume you are going to appeal.
There is no getting away from it, you failed Nivalis.
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sasha
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 29 Oct 2012 : 08:47:10 AM
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Nivalis... the horse that lived.. thats what the above link says... actually .. Nivalis that lived in hell.!!
Absolutely disgusted, good job you don't live near me or I would come and personally give you my thoughts on this. |
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Pasha
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England
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Posted - 29 Oct 2012 : 09:45:25 AM
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Ms Skipper I am astounded by your audacity! Forum rules forbid me to say what I want to say and it would be pointless anyway as you have such a high opinion of yourself, even a guilty conviction doesn't make a dent in your conscience!
You have never attempted to explain why your poor horses were in the state they were in and I now know why as you clearly do not feel you were doing anything wrong!
Deep litter good for laminitis? When even has standing in feet deep fecal matter been good for anything? The poor boy was suffering! He needed a clean comfy bed to lie down in to take the weight off his sore feet! It brings tears to my eyes thinking about how he suffered!!! I am soo angry with you!!!
The pictures do speak for themselves! I truly hope I never have the misfortune to meet you and I applaud the RSPCA and the courts for getting justice for your poor horses. One day I hope you grow a conscience and realise just what you have done! |
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Eeyore
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Posted - 29 Oct 2012 : 10:22:45 AM
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Brian is eulogising about going out to dig a hole to bury him and that you might have to dig him up later for research purposes. Why did you never think to dig his stable out when he was alive or put the poor horse out of his misery?
Seriously? Just when you thought it couldn't get any worse it actually does.
I can't write on here what I really feel about the Skippers, the fact that woman has been on here and written that pathetic excuse for an 'explanation' defies belief.
Those stables were an utter disgrace. If you shut a horse in a stable you have a responsibility to make sure the horse is safe and has a clean bed. That ramshackle shed was an accident waiting to happen, even before you consider the rotting filth feet deep. The poor horse breathing in the fumes from that ammonia ridden bedding, what a miserable existence, and for him to be in agony with laminitis as well!
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Offira
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Eeyore
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Posted - 29 Oct 2012 : 10:39:03 AM
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Offira
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Pasha
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BabsR
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England
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Posted - 29 Oct 2012 : 2:11:10 PM
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I would agree than a deep clean bed will help ease the pain of a horse suffering from laminitis.....But...there is deep litter and DEEP LITTER
What amounts to probably two foot deep of dirty bedding, as in those pics, with little headroom and breathing in the fumes in a confined space, must also have had a very detrimental effect on their health
There are several causes of laminitis...and the management of the condition.....it appears she neglected her duty of care both in the prevention and treatment of this dreadful ailment!!
No more suffering now for those poor unfortunate horses
Babs
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LadyLuck1
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Posted - 29 Oct 2012 : 2:43:13 PM
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I have no time what so ever for the RSPCA but in this case I think they managed to do their job properly. The pictures were disgusting shame on you.
There is no shame in asking for help you know if you asked you would have gotten help from people but you didnt instead you chose to let your animals suffer.
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RSPCA vs Skipper - the truth
