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BabsR
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Micky
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 Posted - 04 Mar 2009 : 4:57:12 PM
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templars
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Posted - 04 Mar 2009 : 5:19:52 PM
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Thanks for the suggestion - I had already thought of it, hence my interest in his pedigree and knowing he was 1/8th Arabian.
But given Taragun's Old English bloodlines, I feel duty bound to breed a pure bred foal from her first and - surprise, surprise, I have the ideal stallion for her - my very own Last Crescendo who is from ....General Grant!!!!
I've quietly been gathering these precious performance bloodlines (in the pure Arabian form) for many years now and at long last, I get my broodmare back this year and can finally try and get that elusive foal:
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Incidentally, Cresh is a King Cotton Gold grandson and I know that is proving to be an outstanding peformance line as well.
Micky, as responsible breeders, yes our horses are SCID tested (or will be as they start to breed) but I agree with you, it should be compulsory |
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nn
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Posted - 04 Mar 2009 : 5:37:22 PM
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Babs
The international showjumpers Randi,Graf Quidam and Tornado are all arab blood carriers.
Not sure if they have enough to register but they are three top class jump stallions! |
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BabsR
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Posted - 04 Mar 2009 : 5:46:11 PM
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Ah Ah Templars...you are already ahead of us Have to agree, if Taragun is a maiden??..far better to use your own super stallion Have to say, apart from the colour can really see King Cotton Gold in your Boy. Fingers crossed all goes to plan and you get a super a foal whos pedigree will be steeped in Pure Arabian performance lines.
It may be for the future an Anglo to Mill Law ?? as he is quite a big horse and not worth risking any birthing problems, if it will be Taragun`s first pregnancy.
Love your Boy........gorgeous
Babs
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templars
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Posted - 04 Mar 2009 : 7:31:54 PM
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Thanks Babs - he is a poppet and he throws foals that grow into lovely horses - I have a pure bred by him that's 15.3 (statistically the ideal height for an eventing horse) and a part bred that's over 16.0 as a 3 year old, a yearling pure bred filly that is a thumping great thing!!!
But, I've been having a look for more performance horses with Arabian blood and I've come up with a few (not sure if they'll count cos their percentage may be a bit low and most were born abroad but now compete worldwide, UK based):
These are all stallions:
Royal Diamond (Rubenstein x Elektia V) an Oldenberg who was a champion dressage horse in the Netherlands
Lupicor (Lux Z x Joudette) KWPN a top show jumper who has pure Arabians in the pedigree
Arko - needs no introduction but has the Anglo Arabs, Maesondo, Nuit Bleue and Matador in his pedigree
Argento (one of the Whittakers horses)and a son of Arko
Randi, another top Whittaker show jumper
I've also found a web site Anglo-arab.com (that you probably already know about) but it has performance horses listed on there as well |
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Jude
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Posted - 04 Mar 2009 : 8:51:04 PM
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| I believe that to be eligible as a premium stallion a horse has to be registered as a breeding stallion with the AHS. I am sure that Mill Law could be registered but the fees for "late registration" are pretty high and I also believe that both parents have to be DNA tested. It may be that the costs involved are too prohibitive to make it worthwhile. I am sure that there are a large number of unregistered Anglos around as people often did not boother to register them as foals. |
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BabsR
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Posted - 05 Mar 2009 : 08:03:15 AM
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As Mill Law is a Registered Thoroughbred, he will already have been Bloodtyped/Parentage Tested and most probably Microchipped.
Yes, his owner would have to face late entry charges and recording as Anglo Arab Breeding Stock but can hope she may feel this would be worthwhile, and attract Breeders who are interested in producing Arabian Sporthorses.
Babs
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Scarlet Arabian
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Posted - 05 Mar 2009 : 08:12:02 AM
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had another go at posting the photo, of our mill law offspring!
this photo was taken at ring wood and ellingham show were he was first in the riding horse class,
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stacatto wind...... kharibe........salana A/A........julien p/b........scarlet...
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Scarlet Arabian
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Posted - 05 Mar 2009 : 08:50:41 AM
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the high prices for late registration would put off a lot of people i think.
the AHS could lower fees for performance stallions and mares to encourage them to join but then that would seem unfair to others .
other societies do not charge such high fees.
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stacatto wind...... kharibe........salana A/A........julien p/b........scarlet...
whitsbury/new forest
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DenmoorStud
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Posted - 05 Mar 2009 : 10:24:39 AM
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LAST CRESCENDO By the AHS premium stallion Imad out of Carillion and bred by Diana Whittome.
IMAD is known for producing quality stock that are also capable of performance |
   
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Micky
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Posted - 05 Mar 2009 : 10:35:21 AM
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Denmoor,
Are premium stallions and mares tested for all hereditary diseases including SCID? |
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Lynda
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Posted - 05 Mar 2009 : 10:42:08 AM
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Hi Micky,
I think that testing premium mares and stallions should be obligatory. Having lost a foal with SCID, if I ever had another mare who was a carrier, and wanted to use a premium stallion, I would certainly like to know his SCID status. |
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BabsR
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Posted - 05 Mar 2009 : 10:45:23 AM
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OOOOOOOOOOPPPPPPPPPPS......Just closely scrutinised Mill Law`s Pedigree...and...got it wrong  He is not an Anglo but is eligible for Part Bred Arab registration. He is registered in Weatherby`s NTR and also SportsHorse GB. There is an unproven Thoroughbred Mare on the Dams side of his pedigree
Am gutted...had him lined up to cover our Scelebrity sired Anglo Mare as have been looking for a suitable Anglo Stallion with a proven performance pedigree, having also sired successful affiliated competition stock... Mill Law ticked all the boxes, until the final one. Oh well Babs.........keep on looking
Do hope his Owner considers registration fees for AHS Premium Scheme
inclusiion, do not deter her from recording him as he would be a valuable addition to our Premium Scheme if he came on board.
Babs
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Lynda
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Posted - 05 Mar 2009 : 10:52:00 AM
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Babs,
Are you getting this info from all breeds, as sometimes people that put the information up are not sure of the breeding.
Have you checked with Wetherbys? |
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templars
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Posted - 05 Mar 2009 : 11:18:24 AM
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Here I go again - the mare influence is important too.
Denmoor, thanks for stating Cresh's pedigree and the remarks on Imad but let's not forget his dam's influence (Carillion) which is equally, if not more important for the jumping genes. His dam line carries the King Cotton Gold blood that produces excellent jumpers |
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DenmoorStud
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Posted - 05 Mar 2009 : 1:06:32 PM
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Templars,I agree the dam line is equally important, and take great care regarding this when choosing mares for our own Premium stallion Hale Bop. One should not over look the bottom line line on Carillion's pedigree as a great no of performance stock carry the Oran bloodline and this features on the bottom line of Taraguns pedigree also. We should be grateful to those breeders who have given us this wonderful legacy.
Micky, I believe that there is a recommendation that stallions should be scid tested. |
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nn
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Posted - 05 Mar 2009 : 1:11:53 PM
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Micky
No they are not.
The arab horse society (i believe )is the only society that will issue you a covering certificate for your stallion without them having been swabbed each year.
To get my covering certs from any of the other societys i deal with, i have to have CEM swabs and as my lot are EVA tested they just have to have there vaccinations. We also blood test for EIA before they are allowed to walk in for semen collection.But this is done every year.
Hope that helps!
Nicky
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Micky
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Posted - 05 Mar 2009 : 3:15:28 PM
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Nicky,
Thanks for the reply. If other societies go to that trouble, then the AHS should follow suit. It is about time especially with SCID. |
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nn
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templars
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Posted - 05 Mar 2009 : 3:50:54 PM
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| Have any of the stallion owners received a letter from the AHS about them posting on this thread, or is it just the mare owner? |
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alistair leslie
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Posted - 05 Mar 2009 : 4:04:45 PM
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nn
fourth pic on your icon
Who is it
Lovely construction! |
    
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SueN
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Posted - 05 Mar 2009 : 4:19:22 PM
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Having studied Mill Laws pedigree, yes he would get in as a Part bred as he carries 12.50%.
Why is it only a recommendation that premium stallions (what about the mares?) should be SCID tested, why is it not part of the package, as all hereditary diseases should be divulged. |
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BabsR
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nn
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Posted - 05 Mar 2009 : 4:40:36 PM
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Alister
The fourth picture in is my AA mare Brox lady Arabella with her 2007 colt foal by tornado. She is one of only two AA mares to be graded into the main trak stud book.
Templars
I havent had a letter form the AHS.
Nicky
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