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SueN
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 Posted - 02 Mar 2009 : 12:46:24 PM
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Babs,
On behalf of Lynda, Tina and myself.......Thank you. 
You can now get off the floor now, the cheque's in the post! 
Seriously though, it incenses me that we are the ones that are accused of being complacent, when in fact we are the ones that are actually doing something, as are you, and so many others. All unsung heroes, be it with Pure, Anglo or Part bred.
We are all singing from the same hymn sheet......but no one ever seems to listen.   |
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alistair leslie
Gold Member
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Posted - 03 Mar 2009 : 11:13:05 AM
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Thoughtful and persuasive points .
I would like to see 20 deep classes of PBA/AA
That would be a sight for sore eyes.
It is a great pity that the Council over the years has made you all feel unloved and this must be addressed asap ,especially in these tough times when we all need to pull together .
Idea
A publication-AHS or private owner, entitled
"The Ridden Arabian" as a focus /marketing aid
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BabsR
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Posted - 03 Mar 2009 : 12:21:04 PM
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Alistair............THANKYOU....do we dare to hope that the AHS Council are finally taking notice?? With regard to your Idea.....if you read my back posts on this thread, I have suggested a seperate AHS Magazine, which focusses entirely on Arab/AA/PBA Ridden Competition/Sporthorse!!
Such a publication, posted to all AHS Members and also, offered on a `buy to read` basis from stands at Major Affiliated Event/Dressage/BSJA/Endurance Venues. The Magazine, containing all Premium Scheme info, along with Premium Stallions/Premium Mares Listings. The publication, could be partially/wholly financed by Advertisers who I am sure will jump at the opportunity to Fly the Flag by spreading the word with their success stories, photos and results
However, do need to stress that this Mag would HAVE to be made available to the general Equine Competition public, to help `INFORM` as Arab/Anglo/PBA owners already KNOW our horses can perform any competition discipline asked of them 
Feel this would be well received by AHS Members, not involved in Showing their horses, to have their own specialist AHS Magazine and perhaps help towards reducing the current `gulf` which exists between Breeding/Showing and Competition/Sporthorse Members.
The Annual AHS Yearbook may then perhaps be retitled, as The Arabian Showhorse and contain all matters relating to Breeding and Showing
Methinks, a fair compromise for ALL AHS Members, whatever their
chosen Arab Breeding/Showing/ Sports/Competition involvement.
Babs
www.SunrayAngloArabianStud.co.uk
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templars
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England
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Posted - 03 Mar 2009 : 6:10:40 PM
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Maybe changes are coming - slowly
Has anyone seen the latest stud card for the famous Mill Law? His Arab pedigree is now being promoted:
Mill Law is the most popular Sports Horse Stallions of modern times, due, not only to his own impeccable competition record, gaining 152 BE and 145 BD points, but also for the outstanding youngstock he is producing. He has already sired an International Advanced Event horse as well as many county show champions and a BYEH champion and runner up. Four of his offspring have gained 15/15 for conformation in BYEH classes. In 2008 six Mill Law youngsters qualified for the British Eventing Young Horse Championships winning the Best British Bred 4 and 6 year old awards. He has won the Futurity Champion Stallion award and sired champions in this scheme in every age group from foals to six year olds. His progeny inherit his loose, correct paces, excellent conformation and exceptional temperament.
Stud fee for fresh/chilled semen 2009: £700 NFFR
Breed: 7/8th Thoroughbred, 1/8th Arab
Colour: Bay (Tested Homozygous Black/Brown (EE) - he has sired no chestnut foals)
Height: 16.1hh |
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BabsR
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Posted - 03 Mar 2009 : 6:20:44 PM
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Ah Ah.......So, Mill Law is an Anglo Arab!!! Would you believe I wonder how many more TB`s there are out there, that are actually Anglo Arabs????
Do know that Stanley Grange stud advertised a new T.B. stallion standing at stud with them......It is in fact Anglo Arab Stallion Dolphin Supreme, who is the sire of Apre Moi out of Sunray Sincerity. Apre Moi is a multi Supreme Ridden and BNC Anglo Arab.  n
Just off to study Mill Law`s pedigree closely
Babs
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BabsR
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Posted - 03 Mar 2009 : 6:53:13 PM
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Yes........can confirm Mill Law would be eligible for Anglo Arab Registration. His Dam is Winslow Scintillation (Anglo) and her Dam is Colonel Gainsborough (Anglo) by General Grant (AHSB) if I have got my facts right. Look on allbreedpedigree for MILL LAW.
If this is so, he could be registered with AHS and get automatic Elite Premium Status?? as he is already a graded stallion with Sport Horse (GB) and has proven event offspring
Proof that Anglo stallions, are out there, but unfortunately choose not to Register with AHS
Thanks for that Templars.....good news I reckon
Babs
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Avonbrook
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Posted - 03 Mar 2009 : 7:04:20 PM
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Mill Law is 1/8 arab - General Grant through Col. Gainsborough. As I understand it, Taragun traces to General Grant through General Gold as does my 95% crabbet mare through Grenadier. My mare is retired now through injury but was the most wonderful jumper I have ridden bar none as well as an advanced endurance horse. And, yes, she is an "approved" mare (through the endurance).
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nn
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England
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Posted - 03 Mar 2009 : 7:13:03 PM
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Very interesting!!!!!!!Mill Law an AA.
I bet there are loads out there with arab blood not owning up to it!!!
As i have just found out in my search to find my two year old colt some more arab blood the international grade A showjumper Tornado is a PBA, his great granddad was the AA Ramzes.That makes the famous Ramiro Z a PBA and his sire Raimond.They are classed as holstein and oldenburg!
I was still 0.1% to short,need to find some more from some place perhaps i should get you onto it Babs!
Nicky
We should start a new thread and see how many we can find!!!! |
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BabsR
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Posted - 03 Mar 2009 : 7:18:16 PM
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Hi Nicky have spoken to Mill Law`s Owner and explained all to her...she was not aware he could be AASB registered and eligible as AHS Premium Scheme Stallion. Given her telephone numbers etc., She is phoning AHS tomorrow
Babs
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weirton
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Posted - 03 Mar 2009 : 7:47:11 PM
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Well done Babs, that's the most action we've seen all year. Perhaps you should be running the Premium scheme?????
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nn
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Posted - 04 Mar 2009 : 07:26:42 AM
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Brilliant
that would be a great bit of news for the AA and the premium scheme if we could get him on board.
Well done Babs.
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BabsR
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Posted - 04 Mar 2009 : 08:16:11 AM
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Alistair..........If Mill Law Registers with the AHS, as his owner said she would, after I spoke to her.....There you go, the famous MILL LAW could grace the front cover of the suggested New Mag???
Premium Scheme Committee......have sewn the seeds for you, by selling the Premium Scheme idea to Mill Law`s Owner and trust you welcome this horse. Could well prove a boost for the Premium Scheme.
I will research further to see if I am able to find any more "hidden" eligible Anglo or Part Bred Arab noted Performance Horses.
Babs
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Lynda
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Posted - 04 Mar 2009 : 1:46:09 PM
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That's wonderful news.
Babs, have a look at his progeny on all breeds. Sue and I did it last night. There are a few listed that would certainly get into the Anglo Stud Book.
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alistair leslie
Gold Member
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Posted - 04 Mar 2009 : 1:49:06 PM
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maybe my guess is nearly there that there are more descendants than pure -breds so if encouraged the AHS ranks could be greatly increased .
The magazine should include ALL ridden arab horses I think so the idea of the useful horse is understood by outside public. |
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SueN
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Posted - 04 Mar 2009 : 2:18:47 PM
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Templars,
A thought has just occured to me. As both your outstanding mare and Mill Law go back to General Grant, why not arrange some sort of marriage!!! 
This has got to be a marriage made in heaven surely. Can you imagine the potential of the off spring? It does go to show that the old breeding lines stand the testiment of time, as Taragun goes back to Count Rapello as well (another Briery stallion). |
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Scarlet Arabian
Silver Member
England
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Posted - 04 Mar 2009 : 2:19:06 PM
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i had one of the first mill law foals when he was an up and coming star, and i did think of doing pba classes and over stamping AHS, but shamefully i stuck to sport horse breeding classes,as he was more that type, needless to say the foal went on to be an eventer and still out there doing his bit.
(and i will be putting forward his half brother i have now , in pba classes as well as sport horse breeding)
may be if more stallion/mare owners saw the results of horses over-stamped/registered AHS , i am sure others would follow,
Abby
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stacatto wind...... kharibe........salana A/A........julien p/b........scarlet...
whitsbury/new forest
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BabsR
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Posted - 04 Mar 2009 : 2:19:43 PM
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Alistair....agree the mag should include All ridden Arabs/Anglos/PBA but feel as the publication if it be....should be focussed more towards `performance` but obviously include a Ridden Section for Showing, but confining it to HOYS, Cherif, AHS Nationals or International Shows.
The Annual Journal could then contain AHS Group Shows etc., Ridden and In Hand Showing Pics and Results, Breeding News, Stallions at Stud etc
If a Magazine as I have suggested, becomes reality......feel it has to have a High Performance profile,and not follow in the same format as the Yearbook
Babs
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BabsR
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Posted - 04 Mar 2009 : 2:33:50 PM
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Shame on you Abby....it is not to late to AHS Overstamp
Shall be checking the records.....please get you Boy`s passport AHS overstamped. We need proven performance horses to come out of the woodwork and declare the Arab bloodlines in their successful horses Let us all make a very concerted effort to promote the Premium Scheme, and fly the flag. Just know there are many more potential Tamarillos and Taraguns out there. We want to hear about them!!
Agree with SueN Templars...a guaranteed Anglo Performance foal!!
Babs
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Micky
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Posted - 04 Mar 2009 : 3:19:24 PM
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What interesting reading this is. I have been fascinated.
Can someone tell me if the premium mares and stallion are SCID tested? |
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BabsR
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Avonbrook
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Posted - 04 Mar 2009 : 3:53:09 PM
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SCID testing of premium stallions is not compulsory - but a lot of them have been tested clear. No central place to find out though.
Rowena |
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Scarlet Arabian
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Posted - 04 Mar 2009 : 4:02:50 PM
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yes babs ,i hold my head in shame,
but i do not own "Howen ronnie" any more,
but will promise to make the effort with his half brother who is 50% arabian,
Abby
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stacatto wind...... kharibe........salana A/A........julien p/b........scarlet...
whitsbury/new forest
www.scarletarabianbridles.co.uk |
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BabsR
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Posted - 04 Mar 2009 : 4:08:36 PM
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Abby.....Do you have any pics of Mill Law`s offspring that you have bred?? Sure Performance Arabian Members would be most interested to see the stamp of his stock from Arabian/PBA/AA Mares
Babs
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Scarlet Arabian
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Posted - 04 Mar 2009 : 4:42:38 PM
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yes i have some photos of him as a youngster, will dig them out.
Abby |
stacatto wind...... kharibe........salana A/A........julien p/b........scarlet...
whitsbury/new forest
www.scarletarabianbridles.co.uk |
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Micky
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Posted - 04 Mar 2009 : 4:50:59 PM
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Babs,
Do you not feel that these premium horses, having been tested for performance and ability, should not be tested for the possibility of carrying a hereditary disease? |
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