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jo H
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 Posted - 10 Mar 2006 : 8:04:56 PM
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Thanks 'everybody' for your replies. Reading them made me chuckle as the words 'my opinion' kept springing up. Maybe expecting a simple question answered would have been a bit dull in retrospect! This healthy 'debate' is far more interesting! We have even branched off into 'to bridle path' or 'not to bridle path'.
For the person requesting the Maxwell article, I phoned the Arab Horse Society, paid £10 over the phone and the Year Book was posted to me within two days. It is a great article however I would love to have Emma Maxwell come and teach me in person. Has anybody got her contact details? |
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Lisa
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Posted - 10 Mar 2006 : 10:10:51 PM
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| She does post on here so you could post for her to contact you in the FAO forum. |
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Roseanne
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Posted - 10 Mar 2006 : 11:51:04 PM
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| I think you'll probably find Emma's email in that year book Jo. I like the way she shows her horses. They are fairly trained, seem happy, respected and respectful and it's great to see how she and Premier 'play' in the show ring sometimes. |
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tamila
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England
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Posted - 11 Mar 2006 : 08:42:17 AM
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Just to go back to Angel2002's post. If it is true that showing the old way as an amateur will mean you a bottom of the line. My horse being shown by Sarah at the AHS summer Showm last year came up from 6th to second and he was being shown the old fashioned way bhy an amateur. It obviously depends on how the judge wishes to have them sjhow. I still cannot see how a judge can have a true picture of a horse whose head is stuck up in the air and body stretched unnaturally.
I would have thought that if this was a good way to show other breeds would follow suit.
I am sorry if I offend anyone with my comments but I do not usually feel so strongly about anything to do with showing etc.. |
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sazzlepants71
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Posted - 11 Mar 2006 : 2:03:51 PM
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Tamilla , you are naughty girl..ha ha
ha ha ! dont worry about it! love it or hate it! its here to stay...at least for a little while..
i am sure the winds of change will come around again and then there will be a 'better' way to show..until then lets hope that the best horse on the day win wether it head is in the air or between it knees!!
what worried me more was a this comment :
The problem is that the judges do actually place the ones that are being 'stretched' and I know of people whose success in the ridden ring has accelerated since creating a bridle path. I've even been told I should do that myself this year to accentuate my Arab's head and neck 'set-off'.
It would be great to send a questionnaire to all the panel judges asking their honest opinions of what they want to see and why.
now thats scary ! hang on ridden horses being judged on their manes??
now that just inst right..! some ridden do have them ,some dont..but if want my horse to do well i need one do i ?
no thanks, i would rather have a well mannered , well shooled ride anyday..anway i 'm off again dont thump me !
good luck in your classes Jo by the way & welcome to AL IT'S ALL GOOD FUN ! XX
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jane79
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England
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Posted - 11 Mar 2006 : 4:44:41 PM
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I remember one of my first shows with my gelding, it was the classic in 2001 or 2002. Saw it advertised and thought wow! an arab only show. Coming from a show jumping background i had no idea what i was faced with (in hand) i was just so exited to be going.
Anyway turned up in jods, jacket and hat!(looking back what a d*ck i must have looked) Thankfully i did have a proper show halter for him.
I should have done some research and watched a few classes as there we were, stood at the bottom of the line looking like a handy pony, where everybody else was in stretch mode. I was so embarrassed!
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Sasha Melia
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jane79
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England
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Posted - 12 Mar 2006 : 3:32:26 PM
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I know Sasha! ive been reading this thread and kept thinking shall i post it or not-so after a few days i did!
It was the most embarrasing thing ever! So thats why before i dived in head first again with the ridden side this year-ive been watching and learning lol!
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angel2002
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 13 Mar 2006 : 2:17:22 PM
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Hi Tamila,
Firstly well done for getting 2nd at the Nationals. You done very well and were perhaps very lucky that what happened to Jane79 didn't happen to you. Sorry Jane79 but your story is the perfect example :)) I also had this happen to me many years ago, totally embarrasing and I would not want others to feel the same just because some people think we should all show the 'old-fashioned way' because they believe it is best.
I would just like to say that my opinion on this is based on pure bred arabs at 'C' class shows and with very large entries. There was also a perfect example of what not to do and how not to present a pure bred for judging at Towerlands this year (11 to 16yr old(?) mare class) I was so embarressed for them. All I am saying is that there is more than one way to stand a horse up (love it or hate it!!). So all you people new to showing in hand have a choice and please feel free to ask on here what methods there are. We have many differing opinions so it's up to you if you what advice you take if any.
Sazzlepants, I agree, I would also prefer a well schooled, well mannered horse over a clipped bridle path but think about this......playing 'devil's advocate of course :)).......What if your horse has an extremely nice neck and clean throat which just happens to be the type that suits the 'fashionable' long bridlepath? You might just have the edge for the overall winning position in a judges eye if you decide to have it rather than not :))
Anyway Good Luck and happy showing to you all....... |
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Roseanne
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Posted - 13 Mar 2006 : 3:20:21 PM
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Hi Angel, Just my point really - if you want to be judged in today's showring you have to go with the times (barring any kind of mistreatment or cruelty of course). I've been taking great care of my ridden horse's mane but I actually believe I may have let it grow too long! Someone's brought this up in another thread. Of course it's what we think of as lovely in an Arab but if it makes the horse look blunt and neck-less, you're going to be at a disadvantage.
Because my horse lives out 24/7 I don't think I'll be doing a bridlepath because I believe he needs that mane to help the water run off him. But I probably will have to learn to do a tight running plait at the top as an alternative, because he does have a lovely head and neck set-off which you can't see particularly well with his long mane flowing down.
Personally I'd prefer it if noone put in a bridle path as I think it looks a bit odd when they're not being shown. But Silvern Risalm's had one for ages and he always looks just stunning.
Mind you, I think you have to remember they look very peculiar as they're growing back, sticking up like punks. And for chestnuts it can make the re-growing hair come back as grey!! |
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sazzlepants71
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Posted - 13 Mar 2006 : 3:54:08 PM
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hi angel , i know its a difficult one , but its a fashion i will not follow..judges years ago could see a good horse i like to think thats still the case..lets hope so
For now, so i dont look odd i suppose and i hate myself for it i will just do a plait to accentuate his neck etc, he doeant have the luxury of being in a cosy stable and bought in when the weather is rubbish , so i need my mane!!
i just worry sometimes on what we are really being judged on..?
some fashions are a mistake
anyone remember legwarmers!! ahhhhh |
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angel2002
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 14 Mar 2006 : 1:04:03 PM
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One of my mares has a lovely mane and I will not clip it. She had a very tight plait when she was shown at Towerlands so that she had the same 'look' as the others but for the rest of last year she had it left 'au natural' and she still won reserve female champion at the Royal so you can do it both ways to please all judges :))
I would also like horse to be judged purely for what they are BUT some judges do still put the owner/handler first....:((
Yellow, red and brown !!!!! Arrgggggggggg Anh they were hand knitted by ME!!! LOL !!! |
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sazzlepants71
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Posted - 14 Mar 2006 : 3:05:02 PM
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ha ha ,i had some LUMINOUS ones awwww my god & we use to wear them over stilletoes hee hee !
or was that just me? ( runs away & hides )
funny , yes plaits all round i think for me this yr!
good for you angel! i just cant clip mine boo hoo |
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Sasha Melia
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Posted - 16 Mar 2006 : 7:59:56 PM
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By the way I hate to shock you all (and stray away from the topic) but legwarmers are most definitely back in fashion at the moment! - people like Kate Moss have been spotted in them, and I have seen them in quite a few shops like New Look and Top Shop, plus have seen ones that have a hole on the heel area ESPECIALLY for wearing with your stilletos!!!!!!!! 
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baxter
Gold Member
England
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Posted - 17 Mar 2006 : 1:52:13 PM
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Hi Jo,
I too am a bit of a Novice when it comes to showing, and i the same have been riding since i was 5 etc etc, am 27 now! own a part bred , show him, and have shown and competed all my life then chance came upon for me to aquire a pure bred (he's a relative of your baby, his half brother is Risalm)
Please feel free to contact me and we can discuss tactics and tips!!! My boy has been poorly lately, so i doubt we'll be out till about May time and i too am in Essex, Billericay to be precise.
Look forward to hearing from you!
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shah
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Posted - 17 Mar 2006 : 2:00:33 PM
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angel - I hand knitted my own ones too, purple and blue But they were very comfy to ride in when the weather turns cold....so maybe it's not all bad them coming back into fashion again |
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swalk
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Posted - 22 Mar 2006 : 1:42:46 PM
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| I took one of the boys down to the estate down the road for a bit of turn out last year and he was in the early stages of the dreaded bridlepath grow out. When Angela, the owner came to see him she said -my god what has happened to his mane? and when I explained about extra long bridlepaths to her she just looked very confused and said 'If the judge wants to see the throatlatch can't they just look around the other side?'!! Made me think...(and laugh) |
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Roseanne
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Posted - 22 Mar 2006 : 1:52:40 PM
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| Well in ridden classes they do anyway - when you change rein. |
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angel2002
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Posted - 22 Mar 2006 : 2:00:49 PM
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I also knitted jumpers and scarves that matched!!
Swalk - Your friend Angela has a point there :) |
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pascoe
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Posted - 22 Mar 2006 : 3:12:49 PM
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| I would just like to thank every one on this thred for making me laugh, especialyy jane 79, i was feeling a little down this afternoon, well have felt down all week and i sat in the office reading this and i got soooo meany strage looks as i simply could not stop laughing Thanks guys, By the way Jo H good luck with teaching the strectch. |
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jane79
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Posted - 22 Mar 2006 : 8:27:52 PM
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Oh no pasco! i knew i shouldn't have posted it- i was so embarrassed at the time
Made up for it winning the gelding championship at the classic last year though
jane x
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Jules-Apache
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Posted - 27 Mar 2006 : 12:45:44 AM
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I went on the in hand preliminary judging seminar last year, kindly hosted by Dr June Alexander.
I asked the judges there about the "stretch", and the answer I got was that it didn't make any difference, although it can be used to help mask some faults.
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alardyn
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alardyn
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Posted - 27 Mar 2006 : 10:56:44 AM
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I am a bit lost reading all of these posts I am hoping to move up to c shows this year i have a lovley colt yearling by psynergy, so should i get him to stand square or do i get him to pose one back leg? and as i am a amature do i need to get him to strech his neck or not? all advice much app. thanks
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