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alison
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 Posted - 22 Jul 2013 : 2:46:30 PM
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Whoever has Brujo now is the time to end all this heartache and suffering and please return him to his rightful owner 'Natalie'.
What you are doing is not just morally corrupt but also illegal - you may have grown very fond of this horse 'But he is not Yours'.
It is obvious his owner is greatly distressed by you actions and it is now definitely time to be gracious and call it a day.
I would imagine it would be much better legally for you to return him now rather than drag this on, incurring financial compensation and a very disreputable reputation. |
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Suelin
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sab2
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Posted - 22 Jul 2013 : 6:46:36 PM
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| I have been told the name of the loanee by a friend, can i say her name on here or is that not allowed. There are video,s of him on you tube apparently. |
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pat day
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Posted - 23 Jul 2013 : 1:03:59 PM
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Hi Sally,
I think it best you don,t post names.
There's nothing stopping members pm,ing you if they want info, if you are ok with that of course.
Thanks Very Much,
As Always, Kind Regards to you and yours. |
       
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sab2
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Posted - 23 Jul 2013 : 1:55:56 PM
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Thanks Pat 
If anybody wants to know her name i can pm you but will be quite busy this afternoon so may be later when i can do it |
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Esther
Gold Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 23 Jul 2013 : 2:33:36 PM
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| It's not difficult to find the name as the horse has a BE record.... Google is your friend.... |
paranoid horsemother
 
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joanna_piana
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Posted - 23 Jul 2013 : 3:19:46 PM
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| Yes she's easy to find and clearly has a number of horses, hope the rest of them are actually hers! |
      
Harthall Rashida RIP, Binley Ishara, Bouchan
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Mrs DJ
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Pandora
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Posted - 23 Jul 2013 : 6:47:17 PM
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"Or am I being a numpty??"
No your not the numpty! You quickly worked out the result of such actions.
However it seems the rider in question even with an Oatridge Equine Management qualification has not the brains to think into the future about her actions!
She thinks this all a game and apparently throwing away her potential future at 23yrs of age is all part of being somebody.
Would you want your horse kept at a yard where the groom might decide that your horse is hers, after all you let her exercise it for you so it must mean you've given the horse to her?
The kiddy doesn't respect other peoples property
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Callisto
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Posted - 23 Jul 2013 : 6:57:15 PM
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| If she is the person I turned up on the BE website, she doesn't appear to have competed at a BE event since 2011, so why is she hanging on to him? She might be young, but she's not that young that she doesn't know the difference between right and wrong. She must have people around her that can work out that this is a thoroughly illegal course to follow. Might be the way that my mind works, but is there any other reason why she is hiding him? Has he been injured? Do we actually have any proof that he is still alive? (Obviously I sincerely hope that he is alive and well). |
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Vik1
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Posted - 23 Jul 2013 : 8:13:56 PM
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Is it still on fb? I went back onto the missing horses page and couldnt find it.
I had a nosy on the girls fb page to see if I recognised the yard from her photos (from the ones that are public)..Im sorry but I didnt. I dont know her or recognise her either but then I dont go to many BE or showjumping shows.
Theres a photo of her jumping him dated 15th june this year.
(I sound like a fb stalker, lol) |
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Sahir
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England
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Posted - 23 Jul 2013 : 8:56:15 PM
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I live near Taunton, have a 7.5 tonne horse lorry & my husband is a retired Police Officer. My daughter lives & keeps her horse near Taunton & I know several livery yards in/around Taunton. If one of you can PM me details of the person who has Brujo I will do some detective work  . Please PM me as much info as poss & I'll do my best to find him if he is down here.
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Tomos
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Pandora
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Posted - 25 Jul 2013 : 12:43:37 PM
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"Theres a photo of her jumping him dated 15th june this year."
Yep Vik1 that is the missing horse and the loanee posted that picture the same day that Nat wrote to her to notify she was ready for Bru to come home and needed to discuss arrangements to collect him. In writing the loanee response was to explain how one of her other two horses was not well so no longer ride-able and if Nat was take Bru home poor little loanee would only have one horse to ride (I'm sure there are a lot of horse people would be more than happy that they had at least one horse to ride!).
She then in writing asked Nat to sell Bru to her; but when Nat explained NO BRU IS NOT FOR SALE I WANT MY HORSE HOME FOR ME TO HAVE A HORSE TO RIDE..... loanee did not like answer so loanee then demanded extortionate sum of money of legal owner if she wanted her horse back! 
The rest of the loanee actions you all know about.
She does not have the means or inclination to go legally buy herself another horse, so she is attempting by slight of hand and action to keep a horse that does not belong to her (possibly given her demand for K8 use the horse to trade or sell for another horse?) ie permanently deprive the legal owner Natalie of her property.
Since the girl is so fond of threatening people with her lawyers she should first actually present them with ALL the correspondence between her and Nat and then ask them about the definition of the Theft Act 1968. Clearly her Oatridge College education did not teach her about respecting other people's property or make it clear that when she has other peoples horses in her care she can not assume they are her horses to keep and refuse return of to the owner!
I appreciate there are loanees who fall in love with their charges but if we take the view that sympathy for their love justifies this kind of behaviour then everyone of you with a legally owned horse had best be on guard because this attitude opens the gate to all sorts of possibilities. Next time a horse goes missing over night from your field spare a thought for the theif as obviously they might have over many days visited your horse at his field gate and simply fallen in love with him!
I think rapists have a similar get out of jail plea: the victim dressed herself in such away that every time she went past him (not knowing him at all from any other person in the street) she was in his mind giving him the come on so its ok for him to just take what he wants, and NO get off as her response has no legal reason to be complied with.
So PLEASE nice compassion has a place but only goes so far. BRU is the legal property of Natalie and she had compassion towards the loanee but it clearly was not and is not reciprocated. Bru is missing and every bit of help to trace him is desperately needed before this girl who is devoid of compassion succeeds in what she has already claimed she will do; and that is to make sure the owner never sees her horse again! |
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bagface
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Wales
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Posted - 30 Jul 2013 : 12:59:49 PM
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Just wanted to thank everyone for their support and offers of help over the last few weeks. I've managed to nip to my mum's to get access to a pc so I can post and am about to go through my private messages too, I'm not ignoring people!! Life without the net is like living in the dark ages!!!! Roll on getting back into the technological age!
As you all know I went to Scotland to hopefully get Brujo home after a tip off where he was and desperation through a total lack of co-operation from the loanee to start legal process, but he had been moved again and so I came back without my boy, considerably out of pocket and out of morale!! I was devastated but on reflection It wasn't totally hopeless as I visited as many yards and farms and people as I could and also alerted Barrhead police to my plight, who, although unable to actually do anything due to this being a 'civil matter' ( if I hear that one more time I may spontaneously combust., the law needs to change, next mission once Bru is home!! ) I had handed my horse over to her on loan willingly in the start. They actually felt quite sorry when they'd seen the evidence and couldn't act.
People in the area were on the whole helpful and disgusted with the loanee's behaviour. I think lots of people had seen the posters of Bru but when confronted with a very upset me who had driven 9 and a half hours and was clearly showing the strain of the situation it became all too real and people could empathise, so it wasn't all in vain!! I have eyes and ears in the area now at least so I just hope something comes up and I find out where he is!! I just wish this girl would stop and think how all this has affected everyone in my life, it's had a real ricochet affect. I am on my own with a daughter who is 6 and she has been really affected by all this, She was looking forward to the possibility of Bru coming home, (she's been hatching plans to get him home) and was disappointed when he didn't materialize, to her, apart from being pony mad like her mad mother, the horses being around symbolize a happier time for her in life and she looks forward to getting them back. I am also having to spend every spare minute of every day trying to do detective work to find an address for her on advice from my solicitor so I can start legal proceedings without fear of her just stopping instruction to her lawyers and disappearing ( she only instructed them a week ago after I'd hassled her and the solicitor, despite all this kicking off on june the 15th) and trying to follow leads for bru's where about's that come to nothing. She's been affected by my attention being so focused on all this and It's all just so stressful, frustrating and heart wrenching. Without trying to sound woe be me, I've been like lemony snicket the last few years lurching from one disaster to another and having lost everything, I looked forward to the day when I was in a position to get my horses home. I still live without luxuries so I can afford to keep my oldie, such as internet!!!! I just want my horse home!!! Please can people still keep their eyes peeled and ears to the ground. |
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jackiedo
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Posted - 30 Jul 2013 : 5:56:45 PM
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I think rapists have a similar get out of jail plea: the victim dressed herself in such away that every time she went past him (not knowing him at all from any other person in the street) she was in his mind giving him the come on so its ok for him to just take what he wants, and NO get off as her response has no legal reason to be complied with.
Pandora, really... this is a step too far in my opinion. I can not see how you can come to this analogy and as the parent of a young girl who was attacked I find this offensive |
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garnet
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Posted - 30 Jul 2013 : 7:09:13 PM
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| She only meant that some people think they can do what they like regardless of the effect it has on others. I'm sure she meant no offence and obviously what happened to your daughter is terribly distressing. |
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Ari
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Posted - 30 Jul 2013 : 7:33:48 PM
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Jackiedo, I agree your sentiments though I am sure no offence was meant. We are all in agreement that horse theft is a serious issue so comparisons to other abhorrent crimes aren't needed to prove the point.
Natalie, I am wishing all I can for a speedy happy conclusion for you and Brujo.
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Pasch
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Posted - 30 Jul 2013 : 7:46:30 PM
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Jackiedo I'm with you on this.I don't know what relation Pandora has to the owner and I think she made her opinion clear enough,but really her posts seem a bit excessive.
Nathalie of course I hope you get your horse back asap,too. |
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Pandora
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Posted - 31 Jul 2013 : 11:52:22 AM
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As a therapist who has worked closely with both women and children who have been abused and raped, I do not take their plight lightly.
I do however abhore the bleeding hearts who keep pleeding that we view crime from the perspective of the criminal and show compassion to them and thus appear to make light of the distress the victim is going through!
If you read my comment through you will see that is what my analogy is about. The bleeding hearts that keep swinging the plight of Nat's hunt for her horse to the 'grief' of seperation felt by the selfish 23yr old who has taken Bru is not acceptable anymore than it is acceptable for anyone to plead that a rapist has just cause in his actions in any circumstances.
So please, do not take offence or misinterpret the meaning because you have very real emotions that are blurring your view. I know rape is nasty and whether right or wrong of me to use the analogy, it is something I hope none of the members would dare think of as justifiable crime and thus see that the taking of Bru is likewise not justifiable by excuse of compassion for the perpetrator.
Bru is still missing and very possibly has already been moved by a third party (equally callous in their behaviour) to another part of the country. So there is a very real need to seek help and keep people focused on the concern to find Bru and not looking for excuses justifying the conduct of the other person.
In our persuance of information for Bru what has become apparent is the massive numbers of horses missing, many still being hunted months if not years from the time of the initial alert. One case actually sights that the missing poster was pinned up in a livery yard 3 stables along form the stolen horse and everyone in the yard was snickering about it and doing nothing! All those horse owners including the livery yard owner pleaded it was none of their business. Do you understand now what callousness is? Turning your back from one crime makes it easy to do so again.
Nat said we need to look at changes in the future; one that I can see is that as soon as any 'disput' involving return of loan horses occurs there has to be a independent system, perhaps police, horse welfare or trading standards that go straight off to Id the horse, ensure its welfare and lock down any movement of the horse pending the dispute being settled. It would reduce the emotional heart ache of not knowing where the horse is, ensure the horses welfare and force both parties to communicate thus preventing things being prolonged by one party disappearing.
By all means if those of you now joining this thread are doing so to attack me or because the controversy of having thread spats is what you enjoy, then fine at least it means that this thread is kept going. Somewhere along the way the members who do understand the plight of Nat and that so far have not been made aware of the hunt for Bru will now check in here and hopefully they may be the equestrians with eyes open and in a position to pm Nat with info leading to Bru.
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Tomos
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Sahir
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