| Author |
 Topic  |
|
|
Jamana
Gold Member
England
682 Posts |
 Posted - 09 Feb 2010 : 2:01:45 PM
|
| I wont bother with this forum any more,BTW I am not jamana I am her OH,I was employed as a Stallion Man,after reading comments from some people on this topic one thing stands out a mile most NOT all posters have no idea regarding stallion management there is a world of difference between keeping a pet entire and a proper stallion and I can assure you that we all carry a stick at all times. |
     |
Report to Moderator  |
|
|
Mrs DJ
Gold Member
632 Posts |
Posted - 09 Feb 2010 : 2:11:39 PM
|
Now I'm really confused!!
Can someone in the know please explain to me the difference between a proper stallion and an entire?? 
(It's a long time since I studied biology.  )
I am presuming here that most entires are kept that way because they are used for breeding?? |
    |
Edited by - Mrs DJ on 09 Feb 2010 2:15:15 PM |
| Report to Moderator |
|
|
Jamana
Gold Member
England
682 Posts |
Posted - 09 Feb 2010 : 2:35:12 PM
|
An entire is something with two testicles, a stallion is a entire that has been used for breeding purposes.
ie Entire = Virgin
Stallion =Not Virgin
(BTW this is Jamana/Helen now  ) |
|
| Report to Moderator |
|
|
Zan
Platinum Member
Scotland
3213 Posts |
Posted - 09 Feb 2010 : 2:40:25 PM
|
| What a strange distinction to make in the context of this thread because as far as I can see, all the stallions mentioned are used for breeding purposes. |
    |
| Report to Moderator |
|
|
Rui
AL Admin
6761 Posts |
|
|
Mrs DJ
Gold Member
632 Posts |
Posted - 09 Feb 2010 : 2:46:55 PM
|
Silly me
I thought an entire was ANY male horse that still had all it's 'bits'
I stand corrected.
LOL |
|
| Report to Moderator |
|
|
Jamana
Gold Member
England
682 Posts |
Posted - 09 Feb 2010 : 4:42:23 PM
|
| OH's post has been reinstated on the previous page if anyone is interested to read it. Some valid points in it. |
|
| Report to Moderator |
|
|
LYNDILOU
Platinum Member
United Kingdom
13976 Posts |
Posted - 09 Feb 2010 : 5:35:06 PM
|
| Ok now the insults are flying ! as I seem to have been the only one who said I trusted my stallions I have been called Naive and an amature ! I can assure you am neither , I have a good relationship with my stallion and I am not going to change it by carrying a stick around with me because some busy body thinks they know all the answers, MR Jamana , you stick to what you know and leave me in my naivety to do mine thanks |
   
www.dreamfield-arabians.com |
| Report to Moderator |
|
|
Jamana
Gold Member
England
682 Posts |
Posted - 09 Feb 2010 : 6:01:28 PM
|
Lyndilou, No madam I an not a busy body I am someone who was a 'proper' Stallion Man,looking after some very nice and kind stallions but also some stallions that bordered on being dangerous.Indeed I class myself as a true professional in stallion management.
Perhaps someone such as yourself could learn how the job should be done by visiting a TB stud I have met many people like you who have a quiet stallion and think they know it all ............you dont. Stallion management if done the right way is very complex indeed.As I have said before the TB industry do lead the way in stallion care.If you ever told a real stallion man that you do trust your horse and you dont need a stick you would be laughed off the stud. |
|
| Report to Moderator |
|
|
Rui
AL Admin
6761 Posts |
|
|
LYNDILOU
Platinum Member
United Kingdom
13976 Posts |
Posted - 09 Feb 2010 : 6:10:03 PM
|
Like I said I have managed all this time without a stick MR Jamana! I dont profess to tell you how to run your yard so dont tell me how to run mine , I dont think I know it all! as you so nicely put it , where as you so obviously do ??  |
www.dreamfield-arabians.com |
| Report to Moderator |
|
|
Jamana
Gold Member
England
682 Posts |
Posted - 09 Feb 2010 : 6:16:06 PM
|
I dont think I know it all! as you so nicely put it , where as you so obviously do ??
Lyndilou,I'm glad you agree on the latter part!!! |
|
| Report to Moderator |
|
|
LYNDILOU
Platinum Member
United Kingdom
13976 Posts |
|
|
Jamana
Gold Member
England
682 Posts |
|
|
LYNDILOU
Platinum Member
United Kingdom
13976 Posts |
|
|
Jamana
Gold Member
England
682 Posts |
|
|
Delyth
Gold Member
United Kingdom
1425 Posts |
Posted - 09 Feb 2010 : 6:34:20 PM
|
Please don't close it :( There are very valid points being raised and I'm learning alot.
Something I will add is that 'good' stallion lull you into a false sense of security. I think this was possibly a contributory factor with Sinan Bey. I've had Ffatal for so many years, he's quirky and like yesterday has his moments but is a 'kind' horse.
I work very hard with the lives of my colts/stallions. I hate to see a stallion masturbate in their box. I hate to see a stallion fully drawn in his paddock. To me that his relaxation/his time and it just screams frustration to me. They are complex creatures I think and we take too much for granted !! |
Edited by - Delyth on 09 Feb 2010 6:36:56 PM |
| Report to Moderator |
|
|
LYNDILOU
Platinum Member
United Kingdom
13976 Posts |
|
|
jaj
Platinum Member
United Kingdom
4324 Posts |
Posted - 09 Feb 2010 : 6:42:27 PM
|
No I agree, please don't lock this thread it is so very interesting.
I would never keep a stallion as I wouldn't have the first clue about how to handle one. My last yard had two enormous Cleveland Bay stallions on and I did turn one of them out once. It honestly terrified me half to death as I think of them as almost a different species. Can't imagine anyone taking on the responsibility lightly.
This is such a fascinating discussion for those of us who will never be involved in such a way with entires.
|
     
Kuraishiya (Maleik el Kheil/Kazra el Saghira) and Sahara Bey (Kuraishiya/WSA Charismma) |
| Report to Moderator |
|
|
Cate
Platinum Member
Scotland
1785 Posts |
Posted - 09 Feb 2010 : 6:45:58 PM
|
Jamana, I must say I agree with everything you have written about stallions. Having been brought up near a dealing stable in London where I used to help out as a youngster we came across many entires. Also in my time came across a couple of "attack" geldings which were pretty scary!! Used in the dealing stable which also was used as a riding school was a lovely 5 year old Apaloosa stallion named Pablo who was eventually sold for £500g. He was extremely quiet, handled and ridden by children and kept next to mares and geldings. Perhaps a one off there. Anyhow, as much as the two stallions I have had have been nice natured, and one I still have, I never turn my back, and never trust them. As good as the R Ali Bey son I had was, and the sE I have now is I always remember what I was taught, carry a stick with stallions, and always wear a hard hat whether entire or mare or gelding, something I tend to forget of late. Although often I feel I should.
When my R Ali Bey boy was still a youngster i.e. 2 year old, my young farrier used to watch me bring him in. He told me always carry a stick and take one in with me when I went into his stable. I actually never did, or do with my present stallion, and do not carry a stick when putting them out unless they're very on their toes and not listening to me.
My farrier was brought up with horses his father being a farrier and used to do Harvey Smith's horses. He had a tale to tell which was sad but a lesson to be learned. Cant remember the breed of horse, but his family had a stallion which one of their girl grooms had a real bond with. One night she was going out and asked to go and down to see him before she left. When my farrier and his father come home as they had gone out also they noticed the light on at the stables. When they went down the girl groom was in the corner crouched down crying with the stallion on top of her. She had gone down to say goodnight to him, went into his stable all dressed up with her perfume on (something I was told many years ago never to wear near a stallion) and no stick. Fortunately, she was not injured, but pretty shaken, a scary lesson. He said even though the stallion was nice tempered they never went into its stable without carrying a stick and she knew also never to do what she did.
I've got visitors so hope this lot makes sense.
|
 |
Edited by - Cate on 09 Feb 2010 6:57:17 PM |
| Report to Moderator |
|
|
Jamana
Gold Member
England
682 Posts |
Posted - 09 Feb 2010 : 6:56:22 PM
|
| Mr J again,In almost 25years on TB studs only once have I seen a woman 'Stallion Man' she did 3 stallions but never put any perfume on and was very careful once a month,but she always had a piece of plastic pipe with her,she took no nonsense from those stallions they were always well turned out and always well behaved.She was rare in being a woman doing a mans job |
|
| Report to Moderator |
|
|
Cate
Platinum Member
Scotland
1785 Posts |
Posted - 09 Feb 2010 : 6:58:44 PM
|
Yep, been told that one also about being careful once a month. The stick I use is a piece of plastic pipe.
When I got my first colt a breeder near Oban said the most nasty stallion she ever had was an Arab. He was so bad that she sold him and bought an Andalucian to cover her Arab mares with. |
|
Edited by - Cate on 09 Feb 2010 7:04:10 PM |
| Report to Moderator |
|
|
Delyth
Gold Member
United Kingdom
1425 Posts |
Posted - 09 Feb 2010 : 7:25:06 PM
|
| Mines a plastic pipe too - I can feel a fetish discussion coming on ;) Yes, perfume and once monthly are things to take into consideration too. |
Edited by - Delyth on 09 Feb 2010 7:55:54 PM |
| Report to Moderator |
|
|
Jamana
Gold Member
England
682 Posts |
Posted - 09 Feb 2010 : 7:39:05 PM
|
| Perhaps the three of us should form a plastic pipe appreciation society |
|
| Report to Moderator |
|
|
karen d
Gold Member
United Kingdom
847 Posts |
|
|
Topic |
|
Reality Check
