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debs
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 Posted - 05 Jan 2010 : 4:26:50 PM
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Beauties, all of them!
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Sirius
Bronze Member
England
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Posted - 05 Jan 2010 : 5:24:12 PM
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Should have mentioned above: if it wasn't for Bex, Halal would still be in Eire and wouldn't be able to take part in this year's Crabbet / OE foal cooking fest.
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moonlight
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Posted - 05 Jan 2010 : 5:44:17 PM
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Hi Libby,
Just to let you know that Eaglescliffe is still alive and well; he got all his mares in foal this year, mine was one of them. It was fantastic for me to find and be able to use him as I once helped out at the stud where he stood for a few months, a lovely boy in all ways and one of the most spectacular movers I have ever seen. He's in Dorset now, if you'd like to pm me I can tell you where, not sure I'm allowed to openly, is it advertising? Very excited about my foal to be, got to wait till June tho!
I also have El Zara Qamar who is 18, out of Delvita (a Grand duke mare) by Zarastar, would love to know her Crabbet percentage if anyone can help? She has been the best friend anyone could wish for and is currently doing BD, weather permitting!
Also Darees 4yo mare who is by Spearmint out of Dallua, 93.55 Crabbet
Bint Bint Shakira 16 yo, who is in foal to Eaglescliffe, don't know her percentage either
And Silver Snowdrop who is by Lutfi Pasha out of Seretta, 11months old, close to if not 100 percent Crabbet.
My aim is to help preserve and promote these bloodlines but I'm pretty new to breeding so all advice and comments about my horses very welcome! |
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simbba
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Posted - 05 Jan 2010 : 6:26:09 PM
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Hi moonlight could you you please pm me eaglescliff contact details a friend of mine was asking not so long ago if he was still alive!She used him many years ago and had a beautiful chestnut filly but sadly broke her leg out in the field and pts
I watched a short video of him and i was blown away by him very impressive movement.
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Cate
Platinum Member
Scotland
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Posted - 05 Jan 2010 : 6:30:10 PM
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| Always loved the photos of Eaglescliff. He looked a lovely stallion. |
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kastell
Silver Member
France
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Posted - 05 Jan 2010 : 7:09:11 PM
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Love your snowy pics Dom & Jan! Great news that you have Halal so he can cover some Crabbet mares, I understand that he had quite a jump as a youngster & evented.
Moonlight I wondered where Summer had gone (aka Darees), my friend owned her & I would have bought her if I could of, she's a lovely mare! My other friend has Snowdrops full sister Lutifah, we worked her % out to be 99.874875%. I also remember someone asking about bint bint shakira on here before, if you do a search the post should come up. You have some very well bred horses! |
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mogwai
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England
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Posted - 05 Jan 2010 : 7:11:32 PM
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Wow, sirius your lot are looking superb! All those differnt shades of chestnut. Beautiful!
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deb a-c
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 05 Jan 2010 : 7:26:47 PM
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Kastell could you please PM email me regarding the Courthouse stallions.
I have tried for a long time to track down the Courthouse horses that were exported to France for, I believe, endurance/racing. Courthouse arabs were stunningly beautiful but also performed exceptionally well.
For a long time I have wanted to preserve the precious Courthouse lines but have not been able to find any other breeding stock other than Spearmint and retired mares. I have a 50% Courthouse mare Sienna bint Samiha who is 19 this year, and I would love to put her in foal to a Courthouse stallion. Spearmint is my only option (and that is said because he is the only 100% Courthouse stallion I am aware of and is in no way detrimental to him - he is superlative and I adore him) but some fresh blood of these lines would be beneficial in introducing blood back in.
Like Crabbett lines, these lines outcross really well, and before you know it there are few pure to those lines left. A lesson we should all learn from when planning our breeding programs. |
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Kirstie-22
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Posted - 05 Jan 2010 : 7:38:07 PM
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not actually sure of his percentages but i have an arab, who i have been told has high percentage crabbet. His name is Silvadon (Silvadoris x Kimberley Silver), he was bred by a lady called Marilyn in Selby, UK
if any one can tell me his percentage i would be very grateful. |
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Ziadomira
Platinum Member
England
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Posted - 05 Jan 2010 : 8:14:40 PM
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We still have four OE and high percentage Crabbet mares. As far as babies are concerned it all depends.
The girls are
Tsoukira Bay mare (Marania Gold-Safella)
Ziadomira Grey Mare (Zourrak-Mydomira)
Isamiah bint Zourrak Grey mare (Zourrak-Iridissa)
Ahmouna Grey mare (Ahmoun-Gold Lucretia)
In addition the two we bred Tsoukira and Ziadomira are GSB.
As may be clear from the first three we breed to Irex as our first Arabian was by the Irex stallion Alexus.
One horse not mentioned so far in this topic is the high percentage Crabbet stallion Sundance by the Marania Gold stallion Jazmir. He is grey and is also GSB, possibly the last Irex top line GSB stallion left in this country. Sadly so far he has no foals as no one seems to know about him but he is available by AI and lives up north near Hull. Hopefully we can get this changed as he is just right for our girls.
One thing that anyone with OE, GSB and/or Crabbet horses should do is get your horses entered in Carline Sussex's book. This is the only way we can find out where the horses with the breeding we want to keep going can be found. If you are not listed there it is well worth doing it as it does not cost anything.
Two other breeders in the SW of England are Di Ellis and Geoffrey Plaister.
Finally please will everyone who reads this and likes to see Arabs as they should be seen keep an eye on the entry for the Wessex Summer C Show, exciting news that will be on here as soon as I can get the banner sorted out
Zia
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taranstorm
Gold Member
Wales
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Posted - 05 Jan 2010 : 8:41:26 PM
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Moonlight - Kira is around 96% crabbet,have got it written down which i'm trying looking for the paper but definalty around that  |
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vanbro
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 05 Jan 2010 : 8:47:30 PM
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Hi from Cumbria (north)
My girls are
Rhapia by Rassendyll X Banella (Paguerra x Sayonara) 98% 'ish and in foal to the gorgeous and much under-used Derkisha.
Zariqa by Aurelian X Sariqa (Aboud x Saqira) 90+
Ayesha Bint Maurab by Al Maurab X Suhla el Khiel (now owned by Kt Small but still in residence)
Raziqa by Kosmos X Zariqa about 90% +
Liliya by Acorn (Elderberry Blue x Augusta) x Zariqa about 70%
Zariqa will hopefully go to Rusleem in 2010...all being well. She is throwing to the stallions..... lots of white next time then !!!!
All my girls have a good old dose of Crabbet and old english ...Rhapia would have been 100% but for the Mikeno bit....don't get that rule to be honest.
All have good legs , good top lines and can move really well.All different chesnuts too...will probably get a grey this time !!! |
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Tomos
Gold Member
Wales
940 Posts |
Posted - 05 Jan 2010 : 9:28:20 PM
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Hi Nikki, great topic, but I think there may be more out there than you think, we just don't see them very much in the in hand show ring, lots of us have been keeping the faith and ignoring fashion for years, I got my first ever mobile phone last month !
I like lots of Arab horses but its the OE/Crabbet/Courthouse horses that do it for me. Sadly with Ols illness we will probably only breed a foal very occasionally now but we do have our little gem of a colt foal by Imad out of Augusta, a well as carrying Imads wonderful bloodlines he has 25% Courthouse via Augusta and to my surprise will keep the rich bay thats underneath the yak look he's sporting at the moment.
We also have his full sister the gorgeous Elegancia
and then all the girls Cacharel Fabberge/Farahs Fantasy, sadly not in foal to Spearmint for this year, it was one last attempt at hoping to get a filly, by the way I should point out that Spearmints semen was of the highest quality and equally our veterinary work, it was our old girl who wasn't having it with AI.
Alize Bint Azeme Istfahan/Azeme Bint Gleam
Madam Butterfly 30 this year ! Crystal Magician/Moon Moth
Augusta Rheingolde/Fairy Ring
All or our mares are high percentage Crabbet/OE.
A stallion I was taken with last year for those people looking for Courthouse lines was Imperial Zar at Geoffrey Plaisters, lovely looking horse with a fabulous temperament and pedigree and he's raced
Happy New Year to all
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"An eye for an eye will make the whole world blind" Gandhi
www.hispanoarabeswales.co.uk
www.thewelshcrabbetshow.org.uk |
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Cate
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Scotland
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Posted - 05 Jan 2010 : 10:31:23 PM
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| Another few are Gitano Maraquita (El Zingaro (Blue Rainbow x Simona) x Charmane (Ringing Sovereign x Ringing Derida) also Charmane is still living. These horses are owned by Adam Henderson, Aberdeenshire and posting for him as he never manages on here and is snowed in without even a mobile signal. |
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Qui Gon Jinn
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Scotland
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Posted - 05 Jan 2010 : 10:56:26 PM
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Hi from Lanarkshire, Scotland!
My chestnut mare is THF Kalidah who is 98.73% Crabbet and 100% Old English. She is by St. Narreth King Dancer (St. Narreth Gay Dancer x Moulton Santora) x Rethana (Cumbria Narreth x Dancing Ludana) and her female tail goes back to a Kehilan Ajuz Dejani mare.
I also have a new colt born in June last year. He is approx 83% Crabbet and also by St Narreth King Dancer x Black Bess (Samyr x Ksenia). The female tail here though goes to Sahara, who is a Kohejlan-Moradi strain and was the founder of the Polish female family No. 3.
These Crabbet horses are fab and I love them to bits! |
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honey
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Qui Gon Jinn
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Scotland
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Posted - 06 Jan 2010 : 12:11:15 AM
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| Honey, your lad is the same strain as my mare. He has lovely breeding and is a very handsome lad! |
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Vygoda
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United Arab Emirates
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Posted - 06 Jan 2010 : 08:24:49 AM
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I don't know what you all think, but a dangerous trap to fall into perhaps is just breeding paper to paper to preserve lines, totally ignoring what the horses themselves look like. I've done it a few times with very disappointing results conformationally in the foal, and a couple born being really ugly too!!
I know I am always banging on about this but please please make sure that the mare or the stallion are SCID test before covering - it's cheaper to do the test than the cost of shoeing, or buying a rug, and you won't have your precious foal maybe die. Before anyone jumps down my throat, this applies to all blood lines not only Crabbet/GSB.
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alistair leslie
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England
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Posted - 06 Jan 2010 : 09:51:21 AM
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Courthouse
Now you are talking .
I started with the lovely Somrah who produced the equally lovely Somara
We have a mare by Shabako.
Debbie
some years ago I did have contact with Mon. Buttinger in Framce but haver not got the details now .
They speciallised in endurance but may have diluted the lines so it is possible that Spearmint is the only pure Courthouse .
Even a part Courthouse would work as the line breeding was very intensive .
The problem with preservation breeding is that it does not work.
loss of stature and as has been found in germany concentrating on one mare has changed the breed .
Courthouse bred laterly to Fedaan a Desert bred stallion with very good results .
Reading Pat Maxwells article on the subject is a good idea as he has travelled that road and is adamant that one must strive for hybrid vigour and and extended gene pool.
The shame is that all the wonderful old lines are stuck in a time-warp with very few outside stallions being used(with a few brilliant exceptions )
Think about the genetic treasure locked up in UK mares who will produce competitive stock for the world market put to modern stallions |
    
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Clutha
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Posted - 06 Jan 2010 : 2:49:12 PM
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Alistair, personally 'modern' or 'exotic' type just doesn't do anything for me, so I would always seek high % stallions as they are the type that I personally love & have the qualities that I deem essential. Outcrosses within the 'restricted' gene pool are possible, I chose a stallion who was different from my mares lines for the very reason of reducing inbreeding. It has often though been a practice with all arab breeders to breed a particuarly good daughter back to the sire to reinforce characteristics, so it is not only the old lines where we should be careful, horses often being advertised as double this horse etc. Given the modern age it is possible to use foreign stallions, & breeding stock from 100% lines is being reimported to improve choice & options. They may have the same roots, but have follwed totally different paths as they are decended from exported stock that wasnt used, or hardly used in the uk, & grown into their own lines.
An american crabbet site describes crabbets as 'chicken soup', in that the do make fabulous outcrosses with just about anything. Outcrosses provide good horses (look at the wonderful endurance veteran Appalousie Firefly who is by Ibn Hanif out of a mare, Ladybird), but the importance of maintaining, using & proving high % lines is of the utmost importance. Without these the lines will be gradually diluted, reducing the effectiveness of the crosses. I own & ride other breeds of horses, ride other arabians for other people & enjoy them all. If I could only have 1, I would pick a Crabbet above all others every time, there's just something about them that connects. I rode a stallion for a friend, & there was something about him that was electric. He died very unexpectedly, & only a few days after he passed on did it come through that he was officially over 82% crabbet, american crabbet x english crabbet. In his day he took on the modern types & won hoys. Just wish he'd lived another 6 months so i could have used him on my mare as planned. |
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kathleen
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alistair leslie
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Posted - 06 Jan 2010 : 4:06:22 PM
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Look at Australia with their exotic Crabbets. |
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MinHe
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Our English Heritage-where are they?
hes 99.9% crabbet at the moment Alliya is his youngest pure bred at the age of 11years old this year
