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BobandEna
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 Posted - 22 Oct 2005 : 9:30:35 PM
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Hi Caroline,
Your boy is Marino Marini 1961(Mikeno - Roshara)
No 2 is Bright Gleam 1958(Alpourie - Pale Shadow)
No 3 is Al Malik 1968(Marino Marini - Bright Gleam)
Love
Bob
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Jingo
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 22 Oct 2005 : 10:02:58 PM
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Hope I can remember how to post photos Hope this is not too difficult.
This young lady is very dear to my heart and my bloodlines - can you guess who she is
Apologies for photo quality - but only just discovered it!!!! |
Jude
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C.J.
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 23 Oct 2005 : 09:37:21 AM
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Bob
You've got the first horse right as it is MARINO MARINI but your other two suggestions are wrong so thinking cap back on again!
Jude
Don't know who your foal is as yet but can we finish the other puzzle first before going on to it otherwise it can get a bit confusing for everyone. Thanks
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"And God said to the Wind 'Be thou gathered together.' And the wind was gathered together....And he created from a handful of wind a horse of chestnut colour like gold. And God let loose the Swift Runner, and he went on his way neighing."
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Jingo
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C.J.
Silver Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 23 Oct 2005 : 3:42:31 PM
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Jude
Thanks for being so understanding about the photo I'm sure we'll have fun trying to guess who it is as soon as we are finished with the other puzzle
The score so far is a large sticky cream cake to Uncle Bob for getting the first horse right - MARINO MARINI but we're still after the other two....think pedigree
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"And God said to the Wind 'Be thou gathered together.' And the wind was gathered together....And he created from a handful of wind a horse of chestnut colour like gold. And God let loose the Swift Runner, and he went on his way neighing."
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Mike
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Eire
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Posted - 23 Oct 2005 : 4:18:34 PM
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I will hazard a guess at Miracle (a full sister of Marino Marini) and Kactus who was also a grey son of Mikeno though the 2nd pic reminds me of Roxan, like Marino Marini a grandson of Roxane(Ruskov X Bint Ranya).
No doubt I'm a country mile off target!!!
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C.J.
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Posted - 23 Oct 2005 : 4:47:25 PM
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Oh Mike, I'm sorry but you are a zillion miles off and you of all people should recognise the two other gee-gees
Here is another big clue ~
Caroline |
"And God said to the Wind 'Be thou gathered together.' And the wind was gathered together....And he created from a handful of wind a horse of chestnut colour like gold. And God let loose the Swift Runner, and he went on his way neighing."
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Mike
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Eire
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Posted - 23 Oct 2005 : 7:12:34 PM
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Well Caroline what can I say!!!!! I wasn't even on the right planet
Thanks for posting the photo taken at one of the entrances to Manial Palace which shows Prince Mohammed Ali's stud groom (left)and Dr A.E. Branch (centre)with Hamama 1927(Kawkab X Mahroussa) (or HH Mohamed Ali's Hamama as she became in the USA The connection between the bottom two photo's and Marino Marini is Jellaby bred by J.M. Dickinson in the States and imported into the UK in (I think 1936) and he was the grandsire of Roshara, Marino Marini's dam. The two photo's being Hamida 1929 (Manial X Mahroussa) and Nasr 1918(Rabdan X Bint Yamama) Nasr being Jellaby's sire, and Hamida being Hamama's half sister.Both Hamama and Hamida also came to the UK!
Jellaby 1935 (Nasr X Hamama)
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C.J.
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 23 Oct 2005 : 8:09:20 PM
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WELL DONE MIKE !
I knew you would get this right! You've come up with all the correct answers and thrown in a photo of JELLABY as well for which many thanks!
So often nowadays when people talk about Egyptian horses they either refer to the 'new' Egyptians (i.e. Ansata etc) or the 'old' (Babson etc) and yet there are other sources of Egyptian blood which is already present in many ‘English’ pedigrees and which is often overlooked and JELLABY is a good example. He was bred to another import from Travellers Rest – GARA who was by Bazleyd (by Abu Zeyd) out of Gharifet (Rizvan x Gulnare) and together they produced HARAB the sire of ROSHARA. HARAB was bred by another early well known stud - Thriplow Farms in Cambridgeshire. As for Travellers Rest, this famous stud of J.M. Dickinson’s in Tennessee, USA was originally established as a farm in 1792 with the Arabian Stud being established in 1930, later transferring to California in 1946. Dickinson regularly published well illustrated and informative catalogues of his stud and the list of his horses reads like a veritable ‘who’s who.’ The copy I have (dating back to 1947) also features “a partial account of Arabian Horses in the United States and their Origin.”
So the moral of this little story is that it pays to look very carefully at the pedigree of your horses because you never know what you will find!
All the best
Caroline
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Mike
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Eire
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Posted - 23 Oct 2005 : 8:38:56 PM
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Hi Caroline,
The reason,that I went so far off the rails was that I had the Mikeno daughter Miracle on the brain as it were. You see one of our mares back in the 80's was a great granddaughter of Charlotte(The Shah X Miracle)and at the time I knew that her half-sister(extremely nice) by a son of The Shah had been exported to Oman, so I have spent the last two days trying to figure out/remember just why I never bred her to the grandson of The Shah stood in the next stable!
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Mike
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Posted - 24 Oct 2005 : 09:07:46 AM
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Jude,
Would I be right in thinking that your foal photo was taken in 1975?
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Jingo
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Anfi
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Posted - 24 Oct 2005 : 3:20:08 PM
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Jude,
When you say "European", do you mean 'not British'?
Anne
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Jingo
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Posted - 24 Oct 2005 : 4:02:28 PM
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Hi Anne, thought British was European - but fair answer is parents British, daughter born in Europe |
Jude
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Anfi
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Posted - 24 Oct 2005 : 4:56:36 PM
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Ok, does Europe include Russia???
Anne |
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Jingo
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Vygoda
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Posted - 25 Oct 2005 : 4:07:02 PM
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MMMMMMM
The filly is European, has British parents and her daughter is born in Europe, and is very dear to Jude's heart?
I can only guess it's Serinda born in Holland (but I thought Joan Ratcliffe bred her?) by Seradin x Cinders both UK bred, dam of Odessa who was dam of Padron but can't think why she's close to Jude's heart?
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Jingo
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Posted - 25 Oct 2005 : 5:47:17 PM
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Sorry Jane, don't have any of this bloodline stashed away - too popular
This one's a rare treasure - but you're on the right track |
Jude
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Jingo
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Posted - 25 Oct 2005 : 8:47:47 PM
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Perhaps this beautiful filly foal is too much of a challenge to you.
Her photo was "unearthed" in a copy of Riding Magazine dated March 1953. I have never come across any photos of her before. The write up included a short comment on the foal - her mother was exported from England in foal to a famous top class stallion and produced this foal in her new home. " her chestnut filly, which was born at the ---------- stud this spring, is a first-class animal with beautiful head and neck"
Any stud owner would be proud to have this kind of foal grazing their paddocks. Never mind the head and neck look at the rest of her |
Jude
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Anfi
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Denmark
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Posted - 26 Oct 2005 : 09:29:34 AM
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Could it be Alexa (Manasseh x Nuhra)?? She is the only horse from 1953 I could find in the pedigrees of the horses you have mentioned in your profile. Apart from Ptashka (Priboj x Taktika), who is not by British parents.
I cannot find any information about her being born abroad though.
Anne |
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Jingo
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Posted - 26 Oct 2005 : 11:20:28 AM
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Oh Anne, you're on the right track but no it's not Alexa and as you say Ptashka didn't have British parents.
Now the article was published in March 53 - maybe the foal was born earlier
Do you give up |
Jude
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barb
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Posted - 26 Oct 2005 : 11:57:31 AM
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Jude, this is very very hard!! All I can come up with is Bashida, dam of Nishida,who is grandmother of Dancing Queen and Dancing Queen is grandmother of Toman. Please a few more clues.....
It really is a super foal though.
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Anfi
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Posted - 26 Oct 2005 : 12:29:13 PM
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Yes, it seems Bashida had a breeding career in Holland, so she might have been exported in utero.
Anne |
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Jingo
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Posted - 26 Oct 2005 : 12:38:58 PM
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WELL DONE BARB - yes it is Bashida (General Grant x Tehoura) Tehoura was exported to Holland to the Rodania Stud, home of Dr Houtappel. I have never come across any photos of Bashida before, so was thrilled to find this one.
As you can see a superb foal, who I think we can say has a big part in founding a "dynasty".
Can you see the family resemblance
FEMALE LINES ARE JUST SO IMPORTANT - QUEEN'S TOPAZ, DANCING QUEEN, LUDMILLA, NASHIDA, BASHIDA, TEHOURA, NISEYRA, NERAIDA, NASIFA, NASRA, NEFISA, DAJANIA |
Jude
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