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egzotyka
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Posted - 14 Oct 2005 :  9:03:24 PM  Show Profile  Click to see egzotyka's MSN Messenger address Bookmark this reply Add egzotyka to your friends list Send egzotyka a Private Message
To be honest i have no idea Anfi!!

I dont know any thing about him and once someone has revealed i would love to know more about him as i think he is a very pretty boy...



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arabianlover16
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Posted - 14 Oct 2005 :  10:07:44 PM  Show Profile  Click to see arabianlover16's MSN Messenger address Bookmark this reply Add arabianlover16 to your friends list Send arabianlover16 a Private Message
Anfi Congrats , yes u are correct with horse A it is indeed Arbil.
But can u guess horse B
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Sadika
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Posted - 15 Oct 2005 :  09:44:45 AM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Sadika to your friends list Send Sadika a Private Message
Stallion B is Wachlarz - he has a very distinctive nose marking - 1990 by Arbil ex Warsowia by Tallin

Marilyn


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Anfi
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Posted - 15 Oct 2005 :  09:55:02 AM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Anfi to your friends list Send Anfi a Private Message
Way to go Marilyn

Now there's only one unsolved riddle - egzotyka's photo.

Egzotyka, we might need a clue

Anne




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Edited by - Anfi on 15 Oct 2005 10:07:49 AM
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arabianlover16
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Posted - 16 Oct 2005 :  01:33:35 AM  Show Profile  Click to see arabianlover16's MSN Messenger address Bookmark this reply Add arabianlover16 to your friends list Send arabianlover16 a Private Message
Congrats Marilyn u are correct

~Elise~

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egzotyka
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Posted - 16 Oct 2005 :  8:37:46 PM  Show Profile  Click to see egzotyka's MSN Messenger address Bookmark this reply Add egzotyka to your friends list Send egzotyka a Private Message
My pic is Fryderyk by Biarritz anyone know him??



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arabianlover16
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Posted - 17 Oct 2005 :  02:01:49 AM  Show Profile  Click to see arabianlover16's MSN Messenger address Bookmark this reply Add arabianlover16 to your friends list Send arabianlover16 a Private Message
No actually I have no idea who he is but I would love to update my horse knowledge. :)
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Anfi
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Posted - 17 Oct 2005 :  09:38:48 AM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Anfi to your friends list Send Anfi a Private Message
I cannot find him online - I can find a stallion called Biarritz (Al Cobre x Ochara) of Spanish breeding, AND a mare called Biarritz (Bi Bask x Bizerra) of Polish? breeding, but the only Fryderyk I could find was by Ganges x Fortissima.
Someone with access to a pedigree database will have to look him up for you

Anne




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egzotyka
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Posted - 17 Oct 2005 :  7:26:45 PM  Show Profile  Click to see egzotyka's MSN Messenger address Bookmark this reply Add egzotyka to your friends list Send egzotyka a Private Message
He is not by Biarritz! Error on my reading skills!

The young stallion Fryderyk Pure Arab,

imported from Poland, winner in races and 2005 National Champion Senior

In 2004, the four-year-old stallion, Fryderyk, was acquired in Poland. This stallion brings together some of the best qualities of the most famous and athletic horses at Michalow, the Polish State Stud.
His paternal blood-line is that of Kuhailan Haifi (born in the desert in 1923) and his maternal blood-line is that of Ukrainka (born in the desert in 1815).
Fryderyk is by Ganges, the 1995 Polish National Reserve Junior Champion, the 1996 Polish National Stallion Champion, Nations Cup Reserve Champion, Aachen (Germany), the 2002 Great Britain International Champion Stallion, Blommerod and the 2003 US National Reserve Champion Stallion.

The National Champion Fryderyk

His mother is Fortíssima, a beautiful black mare who was the 1994 Polish National Junior Champion and Polish National Champion Mare.
The grandfather of Fryderyk is Monogramm, the 1982 US Junior National Champion and National US Top Ten Champion, father of the greatest number of mares of the Michalow Stud (36). The following fillies were sold at a Polish auction in 2004: Palestyna, for EUR 300,000, Ekscella for EUR 120,000 and Eskalopka for EUR 140,000, making them 3 of the 4 most expensive horses ever auctioned.
The maternal grandmother of Fryderyk was Fanaberia, one of the finest and most beautiful fillies of Probat, Polish Junior National Champion, 1983 European and World Champion, 1990 Polish National Champion Stallion, father of Piruet, the 1983 Champion of France, triple European Champion and double World Champion. Fryderyk won several races in 2003 as a three-year-old, following the footsteps of his renowned ancestors, who were both extremely handsome and highly functional.






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arabianlover16
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Posted - 17 Oct 2005 :  9:36:12 PM  Show Profile  Click to see arabianlover16's MSN Messenger address Bookmark this reply Add arabianlover16 to your friends list Send arabianlover16 a Private Message
I looked Fryderyk up on the National Horse Auction of Poland and it says that he wasn't sold in 2004(the year when he was offered for sale) and in 2005 he wasn't offered. So I guess that he is still in Poland unless he was bought privately.

Edited by - arabianlover16 on 17 Oct 2005 9:36:28 PM
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BobandEna
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Posted - 17 Oct 2005 :  10:37:05 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add BobandEna to your friends list Send BobandEna a Private Message
Hi Florence,

Here are a few photo´s of your boy´s family.

Enjoy

Regards

Bob


ganges
monogramm
fawor
probat
fatma

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Anfi
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Posted - 18 Oct 2005 :  12:14:54 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Anfi to your friends list Send Anfi a Private Message
To pass time until there is news about the magazine, here is a horse for you to guess



Anyone recognize him?


Anne




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egzotyka
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Posted - 18 Oct 2005 :  8:33:25 PM  Show Profile  Click to see egzotyka's MSN Messenger address Bookmark this reply Add egzotyka to your friends list Send egzotyka a Private Message
Thankyou Bob what lovely pics... No wonder that he is stunning coming from a family like that!



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Anfi
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Posted - 20 Oct 2005 :  09:46:31 AM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Anfi to your friends list Send Anfi a Private Message
A clue: his dam was imported to the UK from Poland and was a hugely successful broodmare. As a three-year-old he won his class at Kempton Park.

Anne




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barb
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Posted - 20 Oct 2005 :  2:10:13 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add barb to your friends list Send barb a Private Message
Anne, is he a Sky horse, bred by Lady Townsend?
regards barb
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Lynda
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Posted - 20 Oct 2005 :  3:36:51 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Lynda to your friends list Send Lynda a Private Message
Is it Kosack?
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Anfi
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Posted - 20 Oct 2005 :  9:54:44 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Anfi to your friends list Send Anfi a Private Message
Well done Lynda,
it is Kossak (Rushti x Karramba), bred by Miss Lindsay and chief sire at Horsey Island for quite a few years.

Kossak had a striking appearance, being chestnut with a vividly contrasting flaxen mane. He sired many good horses, among them the stallions Kaspian (x Susannah) and Danzig (x Danuta).

Anne




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C.J.
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Posted - 21 Oct 2005 :  5:37:34 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add C.J. to your friends list Send C.J. a Private Message
How about something a little bit different….

The object of this exercise is to name the handler in the photograph though it would be nice to put a name to the horse too. The questions are:

1) Who is the person shown in the photo?
2) What stud and which horse was he most associated with?
(Extra “brownie points” for naming the horse in the photo and where it was taken).

Caroline


"And God said to the Wind 'Be thou gathered together.' And the wind was gathered together....And he created from a handful of wind a horse of chestnut colour like gold. And God let loose the Swift Runner, and he went on his way neighing."

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Lynda
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Posted - 21 Oct 2005 :  5:46:02 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Lynda to your friends list Send Lynda a Private Message
The "gentleman" hadler is Fred Rice. He was with the Crabbet stud and Indian Magic was his horse. The photo was taken at the 1985 Crabbet convention, and it is a mare he is holding - name escapes me at the moment, but I believe she was either the last mare bred at Crabbet, or the last offspring of Indian Magic....here's hoping!
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BobandEna
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Posted - 21 Oct 2005 :  7:22:02 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add BobandEna to your friends list Send BobandEna a Private Message
Hi Caroline,

The man is George White

The place 1985 Crabbet convention

The Horse Pass

Love

Bob
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Lynda
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Posted - 21 Oct 2005 :  7:59:59 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Lynda to your friends list Send Lynda a Private Message
Sorry Bob, it's definitely Fred - and the mare is Silver Crown by Indian Magic out of Silver Grey, and for extra extra bonus points, at the convention she was 21yrs old and owned by Mrs Bretherton.
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C.J.
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Posted - 22 Oct 2005 :  2:44:47 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add C.J. to your friends list Send C.J. a Private Message
Well done Lynda, the answer is indeed FRED RICE who worked at CRABBET and who was INDIAN MAGIC’S regular handler. You were correct too in identifying the mare in the photograph as SILVER CROWN and yes, it was taken at the 1985 CRABBET CONVENTION at CRABBET PARK – so its triple extra extra brownie points to you!

Fred Rice with Indian Magic in 1957

Fred Rice was born in 1905 and started work at Crabbet Park, where his father was a gardener, at the age of 14. An account of Fred’s life at Crabbet can be found in his entertaining book ‘Chestnuts, Greys and Rodeo Days – My Life at Crabbet Park’ published in 1993. He recounts many stories including the fact that the first horse he broke to ride was the famous Raffles and of course memories of Indian Magic, a horse he knew for all his life and who was, in his words “a character.” Indian Magic was foaled at Crabbet in 1944 (Raktha x Indian Crown) and was the last horse to be left at the stud when it disbanded. Deidre Hyde wrote the following description of him in the December 1993 issue of ‘Arabian Horse World’:

“Indian Magic has been considered Lady Wentworth’s masterpiece. A slow maturing horse, he did not become British National Champion until he was 13. Fortunately he was brought out of retirement to parade at the Arab Show in 1970, and it is from that appearance that I remember his awe-inspiring presence. He was milk-white and stood head and shoulders above everything around him, truly with the look of eagles. Indian Magic was not always easy to handle – indeed the only handler he accepted was stud groom Fred Rice from Crabbet, but doubtless it was this temperament that has made his descendants so bold and competitive in performance.”

Deidre wasn’t the only person to be so taken with him as I too saw him for the first time at that same show and can remember how impressive he was – like a large marble statue – truly magnificent.

Caroline

"And God said to the Wind 'Be thou gathered together.' And the wind was gathered together....And he created from a handful of wind a horse of chestnut colour like gold. And God let loose the Swift Runner, and he went on his way neighing."

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Lynda
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Posted - 22 Oct 2005 :  3:20:23 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Lynda to your friends list Send Lynda a Private Message
Caroline
Thank you kindly for the bonus points - what am I going to do with them all? Was 1970 the year when Jill Thomas put on the magnificent parade at the National show, because I still have the programme, as it was there too that I saw Indian Magic, with family members. What a magical horse!
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C.J.
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Posted - 22 Oct 2005 :  6:54:23 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add C.J. to your friends list Send C.J. a Private Message
Lynda

Yes, 1970 is the year we had the ‘Parade of Progeny and Personalities’ at the AHS Show and the list is a roll call of the most famous and unforgettable Pure, Part and Anglo-Arabians. For those who are interested the groups were:

Pure Breds
Group A - Indian Magic group with Simra, Scindian Magic, Marinella, Sancho Sanchez and Astur.
Group B – Blue Domino group with Manto (who had his own group), Blue Halo, Fari, Scindigo Blue and Golden Treasure.
Group C - General Grant group with General D’Orsaz, Fantasy in Blue, Cydella, Zulka and Blue Iris.
Group D – Indian King group with Sunlight’s Allegro, Tarantella, Song of India, Delilah and Infanta.
Group E – Manto group with Azara, Samantha and Huftan.
Group F – Mikeno group with El Meluk, Rajmek, Ringing Gold, Marino Marini and Minetta.

Anglo-Arab and Part-Bred Arabs
Group G – Mikeno group with Ermine Toes, Grand Finale, Penarth, My Colleen and Micawber.
Group H- Comfort’s Cascade group with Comfort’s Challenger, Fun Fair and Michaelmas.
Group J – Manto group with Dancing Master and Dancing Instructor.

One of the horses on this list is shown in old age below:

WHO IS HE?
The two horses shown below were not at the show but they are related to the horse above –
WHO ARE THEY AND HOW ARE THEY RELATED?




Have fun!

Caroline


"And God said to the Wind 'Be thou gathered together.' And the wind was gathered together....And he created from a handful of wind a horse of chestnut colour like gold. And God let loose the Swift Runner, and he went on his way neighing."

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egzotyka
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Posted - 22 Oct 2005 :  8:37:15 PM  Show Profile  Click to see egzotyka's MSN Messenger address Bookmark this reply Add egzotyka to your friends list Send egzotyka a Private Message
Love the pic of indian Magic Does anyone know how high he was?? Looks really big in the photo.



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