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BobandEna
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 Posted - 29 Aug 2005 : 6:25:40 PM
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Mike
I too thought the neck was a Ralvon but for me it is too fine in the crest to be
Ralvon Elijah1978(RALVON NAZARENE ex MILL HILL SHARMAL)
So I am going with his sire
Ralvon Nazarene 1974(THE PURITAN ex TRIX SILVER)
This one is Ralvon Pilgim 1969(RIKHAM ex TRIX SILVER)
What do you think
Ralvon Elijah was at Rose Park as a young colt, but moved to Tollard Park, in fact he followed Ronnie Booth there when she became the Stud Manager in 1981, Ronnie enjoyed five seasons at Tollard, but sadly, due to ill health Michael Pitt-Rivers sold the stud in 1986. Incidentally she became the proud owner of Najat's full sister Nimlat in foal to Ralvon Elijah as a gift from Mr Micheal.
The young grey, I will go for a young
Haroun (Hanif - Indian Snowflake)
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Alchemist
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Posted - 30 Aug 2005 : 06:28:11 AM
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Lol, my first thought was the the chestnut was Ralvon Pilgrim.
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Vygoda
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United Arab Emirates
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Posted - 30 Aug 2005 : 09:17:27 AM
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Yes Mike re Tamarillo and William Pitt  .
The grey shown by Mr Pitt Rivers 240 looks like a filly not a colt??
The chestnut head shot is def in the UK looking at the background but it could be Ralvon Pilgrim as he was shown by the Males one year. Still, the crest and angle of neck to throat doesn't look right for Pilgrim??
Dunno!!
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BobandEna
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Posted - 30 Aug 2005 : 11:10:40 AM
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Hi Jane and Mike,
I have edited my previus post and included a photo of Ralvon Pilgrim,
It is hard to decide as the head shot is so close.
Caroline,
Any chance of a clue please, MY LADY
Bob
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Mike
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Posted - 30 Aug 2005 : 11:59:10 AM
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Jane,
The grey does look more like a filly than a colt! So I shall have a stab at Nayima (Shakhs X Nabila)
Looking back through the last few pages, I didn't give a full answer to my last little teaser. So here we go, the mare was of course Shagiah 1978 (Shadwan X Samar), bred at the EAO and then exported to Germany. Her name was changed to Shagia Bint Shadwan when she moved to France in 1991. The photographer, the back of whose head appeared in the photo, was Monika Pehr and the article (concerning Alidaar's first european foals) was written and published by Oliver Wibihal in the magazine "Agypter Brief" which eventually became the website straightegyptians.com Though I didn't seriously expect anyone to get the last bits, divine intervention doesn't work for quizzes!
Caroline, regarding the definition of "straight egyptian" the view of the Pyramid Society in the states hasn't changed, being a tad cynical, like all such definitions the PS one was designed to it the horses that the founding members had which is why Exochorda is SE and Kars isn't. Something that Richard Pritzlaff never forgave them for! The "Pyramid Society Europe" isa seperate entity and they are the ones willing to give Skowronek the "benefit of the doubt" so far as entries for the "Egyptian Event Europe" are concerned, they will also allow old Weil bloodlines as well. I suppose its a little like the entry conditions for the "Egyptian Related" classes at the EEUK being very much more flexible than would ever happen in the US.
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Lynda
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Posted - 30 Aug 2005 : 5:40:01 PM
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| A shot in the dark. Is the chestnut horse Vathek? Nimet was shown by Diana Wort as a yearling,I think. |
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Libby Frost
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 30 Aug 2005 : 7:05:53 PM
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Thanks for posting pics of Elijah and family as our Ma'any goes back to Ralvon pilgrim,through Sa'an his sire I THINK!!! Mighty fine horses were'nt they???   |
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C.J.
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Posted - 30 Aug 2005 : 8:56:45 PM
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Bob, I’ve said it before but I’ll say it again – you are a MARVEL! The chestnut is indeed RALVON NAZARENE the sire of RALVON ELIJAH which explains the connection to Michael Pitt-Rivers. The photograph of NAZARENE was taken at Pinosa Park, N.S.W. and sent to me by my friend Virginia Dean who is a breeder and judge in New Zealand. NAZARENE looks very impressive in his photos but to me, his head doesn't look as fine as his famous son’s. Thanks for posting the picture of the three Ralvon horses – I don’t think any of us have forgotten PILGRIM winning the International Championship at Ascot in 1977; even today it would be a major undertaking to bring a horse all the way from Australia for a show.
Jane, so pleased to hear that you are safely back in Abu Dhabi and to have you on the ‘team’ again, we’ve really missed your input these last few weeks! But we knew how much you had to do and have all been thinking of you especially since the sad loss of DANCING QUEEN.
As to the little grey….no it is not a young HAROUN for it is, as Jane rightly said, a filly! So Mike your answer of NASIB was wrong too but then not too wrong! A clue? Well, the dam was the full sister of my first Arabian, also bred by Mr Michael, who I mentioned a few pages back…………………………..!
Mike, many thanks indeed for explaining the situation re the Pyramid Society definitions for I hadn’t realised that the European branch would differ in this respect to the American, I thought they would all be “singing from the same hymn sheet” so to speak. Yes, I can remember Richard Pritzlaff’s feelings about it all; even now there is still the occasional posting on SE.com concerning it – all very odd.
Libby, yes the Tollard Park horses were as you say “might fine.” Year after year the stud turned out winners and I can hardly ever remember HAROUN being beaten. But the proof of the pudding is that many of the horses went on to be successful for other owners and not just as prize winners but as breeding stock. Jane’s wonderful mare MAYSUNA (1974-2000) is a good example. She was bred at Tollard Park and was by HAROUN out of MANDAHYLA (INDIAN MAGIC x MYOLANDA) and was not only a terrific broodmare but also the Res British National Champion at the AHS Summer Show in 1991.
Could write a lot more about the stud and its horses but will keep it for tomorrow as someone is bound to have identified our ‘mystery grey’ by then! (And its late and I haven't had my dinner yet )
Best wishes to all my chums on ALines
Caroline
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BobandEna
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Posted - 30 Aug 2005 : 9:33:49 PM
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Geeeee Caroline,
Thank you for you kind words, I must confess I have no idea as to the youg grey or to the venue, I'm sure it will come to light soon.
Now for you and Libby here is the Sire and Dam of Ralvon Nazarene1974(THE PURITAN ex TRIX SILVER)
 
Trix Silver is also the Dam of Ralvon Pilgrim
Regards
Bob
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Libby Frost
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Posted - 30 Aug 2005 : 9:53:36 PM
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| We had Mafida ( Haroun/ Mahbubat Bint Al Malik) with Ma'an by Sa'an as a foal at foot from the stud dispersal.Sadly lost Maf some years back but Ma'any darling is still goin' on ok at 19!!! ( acting like a 5yo!!) |
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gu-ku-vi
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Posted - 31 Aug 2005 : 10:28:55 AM
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Try one more time, can´t help it, hope to get you, but doupht it´s possible.
Gunni.
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LYNDILOU
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Posted - 31 Aug 2005 : 12:23:12 PM
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wow , I turned my back for a few days whilst my daughter was here and when I looked at this page again I am well behind with the quizz, can someone start a new one please and dont make it too hard for us dumbo's maybe some more up to date horses??? ( nothing against the oldies but I am not good at them sweeties) |
   
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Vygoda
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Posted - 31 Aug 2005 : 2:06:07 PM
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Caroline,
The grey filly - it's not Maysuna is it??!! I can't see the bottom lip as the rope is across it.
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C.J.
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Posted - 31 Aug 2005 : 6:53:32 PM
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Jane, no it’s not MAYSUNA in the photo which was taken in 1978; I think as Gunni has now posted another photo to identify I will wind this up and say it is DURRA foaled in 1977 (Nasib x Dahshan by General Grant x Djemila) Dahshan was the only full sister to my gelding whose pedigree I gave a few pages back. (See, you weren’t too far off Mike after all!) The photo was taken at the Surrey County Show, Stoke Park, Guildford.
Thank you Libby for telling us about your Tollard Park bred horses, does anyone else have Arabians of these bloodlines? They are just as relevant today as they were yesterday and I for one would like to hear about them.
I drafted a small write up on the Tollard Park Stud over the weekend so I hope you will bear with me if I post it now, I thought those new to the breed might find it interesting.
Michael Pitt-Rivers started his Tollard Park Arabian Stud in the late 1960s with the purchase of some carefully chosen mares including Mahbubat Bint Al Malik (from Lady Anne Lytton), Dyala (from Crabbet Stud) and Indian Snowflake (from Mrs Thomas). Of these Indian Snowflake (Ludo x Indian Starlight) turned out to be the most influential. She was purchased in foal to Iridos (Irex x Rafeena) and Nimet, foaled in 1967, was the result. One of the stud’s earliest advertisements appeared in the Spring 1968 issue of the Arab Horse Society News featuring photos of Nimet and Djemila with the caption “First foals bred at this new stud”. The filly Djemila (Grojec x Mahbubat Bint Al Malik) had been the AHS Foal Champion in 1967. Nimet later on produced Nasib by Indriss (Indian Magic x Rissalma) who was Junior Male Champion in 1974 and Najat by the Tollard bred stallion Shahid (Mikeno x Sherrara). Najat’s wins included the Junior Female Champion 1979 and Supreme Female Championship in 1981. But the best known of the Tollard Park horses was the grey stallion Haroun, foaled in 1968 by Hanif (Silver Vanity x Sirella) out of Indian Snowflake. Haroun had an illustrious show career and was Junior Male Champion 1971, Stallion Champion 1972 and Supreme Male Champion 1974. He was later exported to Qatar in 1982 with Nasib following him in 1984.
HAROUN (photograph by C.S. Johnson)
By 1979 Tollard Park was standing Haroun, Shahid, Nasib and Sabek (Nasib x Sharzad) and an advert for that year showed colour photos of Najat and Mamoona (Indian King x Mahbubat Bint El Malik) with the caption “one of the stud’s twenty prize winning brood mares.” The Australian horse Ralvon Pilgrim (Rikham x Trix Silver) had taken the UK by surprise in 1977 when he won the International Championship at Ascot and his bloodlines were to figure largely in the stud via his son Saan (x Souhair) and his grandson Ralvon Elijah. Elijah was bred by Ron and Val Males in Australia in 1978 and he was by Ralvon Nazarene (The Puritan x Trix Silver) out of Mill Hill Sharmal (Ralvon Pilgrim x Argency). The first advertisement for him at Tollard Park appeared in the Summer 1984 AHS News where he is billed as winning second place at the Paris International Show in 1983. In time he became the Supreme Male Champion 1984 and the Senior Male Champion 1985 at the AHS Show and was exported to the USA in 1986.
Sadly Mr Pitt-Rivers became ill and had to disband his stud in 1986, Ralvon Elijah being purchased by the Elijah Enterprise Partnership and exported to the USA. Mr Pitt-Rivers passed away in 2000 and Ralvon Elijah in 2002 .
Lynda, in answer to your plea, Gunni has posted another photo or you could try the one below – to my knowledge this horse is still very much alive and kicking! (Name, Sire, Dam, Yr Foaled and country of origin required for a full correct answer)
(Photo C.S. Johnson)
Caroline
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egzotyka
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Posted - 31 Aug 2005 : 9:35:22 PM
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pat day
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Posted - 31 Aug 2005 : 9:49:04 PM
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Looks spanishy to me.
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Libby Frost
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Alchemist
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Posted - 01 Sep 2005 : 11:50:18 AM
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Lol, I can't for some reason tonight see a lot of the photos!
I was wondering where the one of The Puritan was taken? |
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TommyH
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Posted - 01 Sep 2005 : 1:19:57 PM
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The grey one in front of the Spanish house is Rawalpyndi by Carmargue out of Onix - 1999 Spanish National Champion Stallion res. and 2000 Spanish National Champion Stallion (I think)
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LYNDILOU
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Posted - 01 Sep 2005 : 1:22:13 PM
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| I would say its Pichure, Caroline( oh S.d it I cant remember the spelling) I would have to look up sire and dam way too busy now , someone else??? |
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TommyH
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Posted - 01 Sep 2005 : 1:26:58 PM
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Going back one page I see that Rawalpyndi already is "taken" - Still believe this is a photo of him though........
The second photo DO get my thoughts to Halsdon Arabians and the second picture could be Piechur... |
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gu-ku-vi
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Posted - 01 Sep 2005 : 2:32:25 PM
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The grey in front of the house are not Rawalpyndi, but he is spanish.
Gunni. |
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TommyH
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Posted - 01 Sep 2005 : 3:43:47 PM
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The horse is Thamil by El namib out of Hadi - Not at all Rawalpyndi!!
Was at one time owned by Calbar Arabians, Denmark and was several times National Champion Stallion of Spain.
Wonder what happend to him.....?? |
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Anfi
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Posted - 01 Sep 2005 : 4:13:45 PM
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I agree that they are Thamil and Piechur.
Both stunning horses
Anne
Regarding the pictures that have turned into little red crosses - I think the Flickr site must be down - my signature photos are not working either right now. It'll probably come back soon - or at least I hope so 
Hmm... This seems to be a game of now they're working now they're not.
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gu-ku-vi
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Posted - 01 Sep 2005 : 4:37:09 PM
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Tommy you right, I don´t know what happens to him, but the last foal registred in datasource is from 1999.
If come down to Denmark your award will be a cup of coffee, may be with a splash of whiskey and cream.
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