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C.J.
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 Posted - 27 Aug 2005 : 10:00:39 AM
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Dear Bob
A page back you asked if you should now address me as “M’Lady” – you mean you don’t already?!!
The new job is going so well that I have been presented with a company car – an R-R of course with a few “modifications” (see below) Please note the size of the steering wheel – this is for poor old souls like me who are short sighted and have to wear glasses or, as in the case of looking at your latest puzzle, MAGNIFYING GLASSES! A slightly bigger picture would be mucho appreciated
Quick question – this horse has a very straight head, would it therefore qualify as a “Straight” Egyptian? Any light hearted captions and comments most welcome.
All the best
Lady B (for bewildered)
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"And God said to the Wind 'Be thou gathered together.' And the wind was gathered together....And he created from a handful of wind a horse of chestnut colour like gold. And God let loose the Swift Runner, and he went on his way neighing."
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Mike
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Posted - 27 Aug 2005 : 10:40:22 AM
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A bigger picture would indeed be welcome!Other than that the horse has two white back feet and the fence looks very familiar, I can't see a darned thing!
Definitely "straight" Egyptian, given that the Pyramid Society Europe will accept Skowronek descendants as "SE" providing that they don't get the blood from Registan (whose dam was SE!!!) Confused????? I know I am!!!! The official PSE line is that Skowronek's status as "SE" is "uncertain" and that the PS definition does not specifically exclude him. Logic of a kind .... I suppose!
Regarding the picture, The "Moxie Balancing Rein" is easily fitted in a matter of seconds and aids in the teaching of leg aids as well as assisting in establishing collection. I have one on order, can't wait for it to arrive!!!!!!
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C.J.
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Posted - 27 Aug 2005 : 2:14:39 PM
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Mike
Many thanks for your most interesting reply especially about the Pyramid Society and Skowronek. I’m a bit out of date with their views as the last edition of the Handbook that I have is Vol 8 where it states “With reference to the exclusion of the horse, Registan, it should be noted that he carries a line to the Polish-bred Skowronek. The contribution which Skowronek made to the Arabian horse is legendary, and his blood permeates the majority of Arabian horses in America. However, it is felt his blood contains elements that are not consistent with the kind of blood which the Pyramid Society is attempting to perpetuate.” So they said in 1997, have they changed their view since then? I’d be extremely surprised if they have bearing in mind the ‘hatchet job’ Raswan made of Skowronek in his Index, all the more puzzling as he named himself after a son of Skowronek!
As to the Moxie balancing rein – okayyyyyy! The photograph actually comes from a book on R-R’s (of course) and the original caption reads “This extraordinary vehicle was originally supplied as a private car. It was bought by a firm who manufactured soft drinks and used in the form shown for advertisement purposes. The driver dressed as a cowboy rode the horse.”
Glad I’m not the only one having problems with the tiny photo, to be honest it looks like a mare to me so am rather bemused to hear it is male and not female (need stronger glasses obviously!) I think it must be a gelding then???
Gunni and Viben, welcome indeed to the 'mad house' - did Bob get the answer to your question right?
Caroline
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NPA Arabians
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Posted - 27 Aug 2005 : 3:35:28 PM
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I am not convinced it is Malvern,
a) Emma is wearing White, - cant remember her doing that at Malvern,
b) behind the familiar picket fence looks to be a race course type fence.
c) Bob didn't say he was "British" national champion - just that he was National Champion.
So i recon it is some foreign show ground (could be totally wrong of course!)
Definately need a larger photo,
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BobandEna
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Posted - 27 Aug 2005 : 5:18:25 PM
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Caroline My Lady,
It is so rewarding for me as an Ex pat to know that the British establishment, still holds old fashioned traditions to heart and have seen fit to bestow on your good self, the elevation in status you yourself so rightly deserve, if I may say so the RR looks up to it, but I do not think the horse is taking this seriously enough. Just my opinion you understand, MY Lady.
Jayne,
You are on the right lines.
I Knew this Boys grand father and he was famous BUT
I also knew This Boys Father who was World Famous
The handlers Mother is treated as Royalty in the place this horse lived.
He also loved Piella
Regards
Bob
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pat day
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Posted - 27 Aug 2005 : 7:16:01 PM
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Mike
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Posted - 27 Aug 2005 : 7:27:25 PM
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I think that its a Carmargue son, possibly Arazi Difficult to tell from such a tiny photo!
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BobandEna
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Posted - 27 Aug 2005 : 7:29:06 PM
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Pat,
GO ON GO ON, I said the mother of the Handler, you now know the handler and yes it is Spain,
The owner of this Boy is also a VET
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BobandEna
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Posted - 27 Aug 2005 : 7:31:51 PM
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Mike,
So sorry missed your post
Go ON GO ON
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NPA Arabians
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Posted - 27 Aug 2005 : 8:49:31 PM
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Not sure how you spell it, and i dont know why i think it but RAWALPYNDI??
- OK i have done some research - and it is definately RAWALPYNDI.
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BobandEna
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Posted - 27 Aug 2005 : 9:32:36 PM
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Hi Jayne,
Look no further, CONGRATULATIONS
This is indeed RAWALPYNDI.
Color: gr
1999 Spanish National Reserve Senior Champion Stallion; 2000 Spanish National Senior Champion Stallion;
By the Yorkshire (TYKE) born Carmargue
With my BUDDY Bill Gore (note Five out of six feet OFF the ground)
And out of the Spanish mare Onix.
Bred of course by Diego Mendez (the Vet)
Gari Dill Marlow (GDM) loved Carmargue so much she is an expert and the one who wanted him the most.
Emma's mum Joanna is the UK's expert on Spanish breeding and is LOVED still by the Spanish Arabian Horse World.
His Grandfather is one more TYKE, the great stallion White Lightning
I knew them all, sadly they are no longer with us, but I am sure if Marilyn was not so busy, she would have twigged IT
Sorry you Guy's but at this time it was the only photo I had of him.
Regards
Bob
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C.J.
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Posted - 28 Aug 2005 : 09:08:04 AM
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Well blow me! The horses in the two photos don’t look the same but if you say so Uncle Bob that’s good enough for me (super photo of Bill with Rawalpyndi by the way) Now, I’m going to jump in quick and set a new puzzle before you and Mike beat me to it again!
So far we have largely concentrated on the horses themselves so I felt it was time that we look at some of the personalities involved with our unique breed. First off is the person shown below and the questions are:
Photo A
1) Who is it? (no 240)
2) How was this person involved with Arabians?
Photo B
3) Who is the chestnut horse in the photo? How is he/she connected to the person in photo A?
4) Lastly….if anyone feels like it, who is the little grey shown in photo A? And extra brownie points for guessing the venue!
Photo A
Photo B
Have fun
Caroline
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Jingo
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Posted - 28 Aug 2005 : 9:33:56 PM
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Just a guess but is 240 Michael Pitt Rivers, the horse Nimet as a babe?? As I said just a guess!!!!
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Jude
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BobandEna
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Posted - 28 Aug 2005 : 10:26:28 PM
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Jude,
I second that of Michael Pitt Rivers, the horse Nimet as a babe.
Working on the others
Caroline my Lady,
I know that your now extended duties are demanding, would it therefore be in order for me to piont out that the horse with Bill Gore is indeed Carmargue and not his son, Rawalpyndi, as you first thought.
Lots of love my Lady from
Uncle Bobbbbbb.
xxxxxx
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gu-ku-vi
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Posted - 29 Aug 2005 : 08:53:45 AM
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Hej
I have followed this tread since the beginnig and are stunned about your knowlegde and I thought that my picture could have give you something to think about.What I didn´t know was that you are a living encyclopaidias 
But Bob you could at least have pretend that i have give you a problem
Thank you for all the pictures it´s wonderfull to learn about all this horses.
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C.J.
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Posted - 29 Aug 2005 : 09:02:31 AM
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Oh dear, either I need stronger glasses or I'm not reading your captions properly! Thanks for putting me straight Uncle B, thought the horse in your last photo looked familiar………………………..!
Now to your collective answers -
YES it is Michael Pitt Rivers (but you haven’t told me what his involvement was with Arabians)
NO it is not Nimet shown with him and NO it is not Saan in the bottom photo. Back to the drawing boards……………..
Gunni and Viben - we're pretty impressed by 'our Bob' too and that's why we were so interested to know if he'd got the answer right. What a marvel he is Thanks for a great puzzle too
Caroline
PS Dear Uncle B - for demanding read stressful, at the moment at least Hope life calms down soon on that front.
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BobandEna
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Posted - 29 Aug 2005 : 10:20:38 AM
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Caroline,
Tollard Royal
Tollard Royal is a quiet village surrounded by high valley sides and set in the centre of beautiful Cranbourne Chase, between Ringwood and Shaftesbury.
Some of the houses and cottages are thatched and there is a general store and post office and the King John provides liquid refreshment for the thirsty. There is a village pond but for most of the year it is dry. The church of St Peter ad Vincula (in chains) is one of few churches with this dedication in England and has had many changes made over the centuries and most of its architectural history is lost. The magnificent King John's House sits next to the church and it has narrow vertical timbering panels of apricot-colourwash. The central part was built c.1240 and the mediaeval northwest wing was remodelled during the latter part of the 16th century. This was in fact a hunting lodge used by King John whilst hunting on Cranbourne Chase and it is through this that the village received the Royal addition to its name. The house passed to the Pitt-Rivers family in the 18th century and then to General Pitt-Rivers who opened the house to the public.
The General is known as the father of modern archaeology and was interested in anthropology and used his trained military mind to bring precision and order to the technique of archaeological excavation. He understood the need to record every single item found and its relationship to everything else, even though it meant more time was spent doing what was thought of as "meaningless" at the time. He made many excavations on the Chase and some of the material can be viewed at the Pitt-Rivers Museum at Oxford, but the General's personal collections are housed at Salisbury Museum. He lived in the late Georgian or early Victorian "Rushmore" and opened the Larmer Tree Grounds 'for the recreation of the people in the neighbouring towns and villages'. The General also provided a temple in 1880, six houses for picnicking, a bandstand and in 1895 a theatre. On Sunday afternoons a band that was made up of 16 workmen from the estate, entertained the visitors that came to view the house, every day of the year without payment. The opening of these grounds was a fine gesture by such a distinguished man and after his death the grounds decayed but in 1893, during their heyday, they attracted over 24,000 visitors.
The larmer tree was probably a wych elm and at Tollard Royal it was believed to be the tree beneath which King John met his huntsmen. Tollard Park which is now an Arabian stud farm is adjacent to the grounds. There was also a Museum of Chimney Pots which may have been the only one of its type in the county and had around 200 pots from all periods from both Britain and Europe, but this has sadly vanished.
So Michael Pitt Rivers owned the Tollard Royal Arabian Stud,
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C.J.
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Posted - 29 Aug 2005 : 5:27:16 PM
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Hi Jude
Its not Najat I'm afraid! How's Tommy and when is his next outing?
Bob
Thanks for the splendid info on the Tollard Royal estate. Just the the two horses to guess now - shouldn't take you long!
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Mike
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Posted - 29 Aug 2005 : 5:46:42 PM
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I am wondering if the grey might just be Nasib, the neck on the chestnut is reminiscent of Ralvon Pilgrim.
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Posted - 29 Aug 2005 : 6:04:31 PM
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I've been in gaga land for the last few weeks trying to get myself organised to get back to Abu Dhabi. I'm back with temps here 44C at noon, thanks - NOT!!
What was the name of the part-bred 3 day Eventer that has won so well at Badminton and elsewhere? Totally irrelevant but the rider is a nephew of Michael Pitt Rivers, what is his name? Answers please to both questions!!
Jane
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Mike
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Posted - 29 Aug 2005 : 6:23:19 PM
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Hi Jane, Tamarillo & William Fox-Pitt, glad its not 44C here! Half that is enough to induce heatstroke in this part of the world!
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