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Stevie
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 Posted - 15 Aug 2005 : 7:30:06 PM
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Is the English conection that Bint Kateefa(Kaisoon's mum)relat's back
to Bint Rissala foaled at Crabbet(named Razieh) .Sold to RAS in the
year of her birth 1920.
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BobandEna
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England
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Posted - 15 Aug 2005 : 8:38:33 PM
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Mike,
The Mare's
(a) Moniet (Kaisoon - Moneera)
(b) Nafteta 1976(Kaisoon - Moneera)
(c) Malinche 1978(Kaisoon - Moneera)
ALL Full Sisters
Moniet was the dam of Ibn El Moniet By Maymoon a son of Kaisoon
Ibn El Moniet is your Aachen Champ Year ?????
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Bob
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Mike
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Eire
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Posted - 15 Aug 2005 : 10:04:56 PM
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Hi Bob,
The mares are three full sisters by Kaisoon out of Moneera, but mare (c) isn't Malinche!
So far as I am aware Ibn El Moniet 1982 (photo by Monica Pehr & incidently yours truly is stood on the right just out of the shot)
was only shown twice, he was Res Champion Stallion at Cannes in 1986 (may have been '87) and Top Five in Paris the same year. Shortly after arriving home from Paris he put is foot through a fence resulting in a slight perminent lameness and ending his show career. After standing at stud in France and Germany he was purchased by Count Zichy-Thyssen and exported to Argentina where he died in 1996.
Ibn El Moniet's sire Maymoon (Kaisoon X Maymoonah) 1975 (Photo by Irena Filsinger)
was never shown, but sired 25 National & International Champions before having to be PTS after being startled by a low flying jet in 1986.
Stevie, you are quite correct, but there is a far more recent connection (or perhaps two) than the export of Bint Rissala to Egypt.
You still need the connection between the mares and the stud where they were born, a UK connection and the identity of the Aachen Champion.
Mike
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Anfi
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Posted - 15 Aug 2005 : 10:29:55 PM
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Hi Mike,
Yes, I thought there was something fishy about that particular photo, seeing as Nafteta herself was a Kaisoon daughter and I couldn't find a Bint Nafteta anywhere.
Well, one down, two to go.
Is the first mare Moniet (Kaisoon x Moneera)?
Sorry, I just missed the last two posts I see that Bob already wrote that.
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Anfi
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Denmark
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Posted - 15 Aug 2005 : 10:50:43 PM
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The breeder of the mares was Thierer and the name of the stud was Gestüt Moneera, so that's the link to the stud where they were born. Maybe.
BTW the third mare could be Manaya II, who was also a chestnut.
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BobandEna
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England
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Posted - 15 Aug 2005 : 11:18:37 PM
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Mike,
Then I will amend (c) to read MANAYA II 1980(Kaisoon - Moneer)
The Eurpeon stud is Gestüt Moneera Thierer-Araber Germany.
Back to the nidnight oil for the others
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Bob
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BobandEna
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Posted - 15 Aug 2005 : 11:22:57 PM
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Anne,
Sorry love, talk about two great minds ?????
Regards
Bob
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Anfi
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Denmark
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Posted - 16 Aug 2005 : 12:30:15 AM
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Bob,
You're welcome
Anne |
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Anfi
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Denmark
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Posted - 16 Aug 2005 : 4:50:46 PM
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As for the English connection, both Moneera and Kaisoon have Kazmeen twice in their pedigrees, and he was SO / Crabbet. But since it has to be a recent link, I guess, that's not what you're after, Mike?
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Anfi
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Posted - 17 Aug 2005 : 8:50:42 PM
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Mike, put us out of our misery please
Anne |
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pat day
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Posted - 18 Aug 2005 : 07:48:39 AM
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Anfi
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Denmark
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Posted - 18 Aug 2005 : 8:38:26 PM
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While we are waiting to see the end of one puzzle - what about a quickie?
Three mares - all hugely successfull as broodmares
They should be relatively easy, especially for Jane!
Anne |
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Mike
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Posted - 19 Aug 2005 : 02:42:46 AM
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Hi folks,
Sorry to keep you all in suspense, I just haven't had the time to get online for the last couple of days or so!
Congratulations in getting the mares and the stud name! The UK connections do seem to have eluded you though. The connection that I thought you may well get was Nafteta's son Hamasa Khazzan 1984(by Kasr El Nil) who won his class at Towerlands in 1989 and was at stud in England in 1990 A more obscure connection (which I didn't expect anyone to get) was that Moniet's son Ibn El Moniet was the sire of two horses imported into the UK.
The Aachen winner was a horse already mentioned by Anne, namely Hamasa Bint Nafteta.
More details if you like when I am a little more awake!
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Jingo
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Anfi
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Posted - 19 Aug 2005 : 10:04:46 AM
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No, its not Mammona. You are on the right track though.
They are all three Russians. Two are related.
I'm positive you know all three of them and you have probably even seen one of them in the flesh
BTW Mike, when you said Aachen Champion, I thought All Nations Cup, but of course the German Nationals are at Aachen too That threw me off course a bit and I missed the connection even if I did find Hamasa Bint Nafteta at the olms araber website.
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Jingo
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Posted - 19 Aug 2005 : 12:49:55 PM
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Oh Anne, it is so frustrating, I recognise the second and third but can't put a name at present. Have to do some more trawling!!!! |
Jude
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Anfi
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Posted - 19 Aug 2005 : 1:10:30 PM
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This is another photo of the first horse
Anne |
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Indalo
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 19 Aug 2005 : 2:59:45 PM
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Jude
The second horse is Abhaziia (Balaton x Angelika), you saw her picture on the Kossack Sales page same as I did , yu'll have to fill the rest in!?!?!
Speak later
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Anfi
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Posted - 19 Aug 2005 : 3:33:13 PM
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Indalo, you're absolutely right - the middle photo is Abhaziia - this is another photo of her - Jude, she is the one I thought you might have seen live at the Kossack Stud
The two other horses are related to each other but not to Abhaziia |
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Jingo
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Posted - 19 Aug 2005 : 5:59:01 PM
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| Ok first horse is KARTA 1962 bay mare by Arax x Kapella grand dam of the one and only Kubinec - guessing now is the other mare Kosmetika by Muscat x Karta - dam of Kubinec |
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Anfi
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Posted - 19 Aug 2005 : 6:09:17 PM
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Yes, the first horse is Karta but no, the third horse is not Kosmetika. This horse has get and grandget literally all over the world, through one of her progeny. Interesting really, because even though she produced at least 5 full siblings (according to allbreedpedigree), only one of them stands out and has revolutionised the breed.
Anne
Ps: This is Kosmetika with Kubinec as a foal
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Jingo
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Posted - 19 Aug 2005 : 8:58:06 PM
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Here goes - MAGNOLIA 1960 by Arax x Mamona. PLEASE PLEASE SAY I AM RIGHT - OTHERWISE HUBBIE WILL DIVORCE ME
Thanks Indahlo - yes now I remember Abhaziia - she was at Kossack last year with a delightful filly by Hlayill Ramadan.
Getting excited only 2 weeks to go to Tersk Holland Sale will you be there Anne? We must meet up |
Jude
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BobandEna
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Posted - 19 Aug 2005 : 9:58:39 PM
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Anne,
My money is with Jude
The Mare Karta 1962 (Arax - Kapella)
The missing mare is Magnolia 1960 (Arax - Mammona)
Here Son is Marsianin 1971 (Aswan - Magnolia}
Color: gr
AHR 177176; RASB 1844 (Reg. as Mars in Russia)
Imported From Russia. 1981 US Nat.l' Champion Stallion. Sire of Several Nat'l. Winners and 60 + champions
Both Mares are BY ARAX
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Anfi
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Posted - 19 Aug 2005 : 10:13:34 PM
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Tehe...
No, its not Magnolia
Jude, for the sake of your marriage I have better tell you now
It is Kilika (Tamerlan x Kilifa) Dam of Padrons Psyche who has had (and still has) enormous impact on the breed. If not in Russia, then in the rest of the world. Karta is her great granddam through Kilimandscharo who sired Kilifa.
Hope you can all sleep well now
Jude, I'm not going to be able to get to Holland - as much as I would LOVE to see both the horses and you
Anne |
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BobandEna
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Posted - 19 Aug 2005 : 10:55:59 PM
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Nice one Anne,
OK this one is simple
WHO ARE THESE THREE 
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