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Sadika
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 Posted - 05 Aug 2005 : 4:38:49 PM
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| Sorry Jude yours are not ready YET - poor Tommie and co wet through - not a pretty picture but I did keep praying "stop the rain"...him upstairs did eventually! There won't be a shot like the above in your signature alas! |
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C.J.
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Posted - 05 Aug 2005 : 5:25:19 PM
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Marilyn
I can understand the problems re financing a book but the calendar sounds FAB!  Please put my name down for one right now!
Jude
Thanks so much for the piccies of Sorbus and Sandvad - what a super colt he is and I see Shireema is bred by Miss C.M. Cooke of 'Sharzar' fame - Stargard bloodlines again! Thanks for sharing these with us.
Oh, must add that I've just caught up with the Malvern thread on another website (you all know the one) and there are the usual snide and unecessary remarks including someone posting under the initials 'cj' (on page 6). Would just like to make it plain to all my friends on ALines that this has no connection with me. I am not interested in making sniping remarks about other people's horses and was brought up with the now old fashioned view that if you have nothing good to say about someone or something then don't say it. Sorry to sound off but its the one thing that makes me really, really angry
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NPA Arabians
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Posted - 05 Aug 2005 : 6:00:32 PM
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Caroline - I understand your frustration, - but thats why we all love our site - No "guest's" or mistaken identity's.
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Mike
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Posted - 05 Aug 2005 : 6:06:55 PM
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Hi Cate,
The grey stallion isn't Piechur!
This particular horse never set foot in the UK, but a full-blood brother did; though that horse wasn't a grey. Another full-blood brother sired a world champion stallion. One final clue, the sire of the grey in the picture was a very big boy indeed There is also a connection between this horse (the grey) and the chestnut I posted earlier.
Thanks Jude for the pic of Sorbus, a lovely trip down memory lane!
Caroline, I never for a moment thought that that CJ was you!
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C.J.
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Posted - 06 Aug 2005 : 12:54:33 PM
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Thanks for your kind replies Jayne and Mike, its nice to know you get as frustrated over this as I do. I wouldn’t mind so much if it was sound constructive criticism but more often than not it’s just spiteful and dare I say it, very immature.
Now to your mystery grey Mike - I keep coming up with possibilities only to discard them just as rapidly. It’s got me a little perplexed though no doubt the answer is right in front of my eyes!
Slight change of subject but I was going through my old photo albums yesterday and came across this pic of Persimmon and Spearmint taken together at the Crabbet Convention in 1985 and thought it might be of interest as we have been discussing them recently in relation to Courthouse Stud and St Simon. Sorry about the quality but it was a very wet day (we Arabists are hardy souls aren’t we!).
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Caroline
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Mike
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Posted - 06 Aug 2005 : 4:57:00 PM
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Hi Caroline,
No I'm not at the open day either! Thanks for the photo of those two exceptional boys!
Perhaps another clue is required for the grey, this time a pictorial one, which should give you the breeder.
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barb
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 06 Aug 2005 : 6:02:10 PM
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Cor Blimey Mike, this one is driving me mad! Can I have an easy clue please?!!
Caroline, lovely photo. Just like to say that i was Mrs Oppes stud groom when Spearmint was born, I have baby photos of him and Sappho,Mr Oppe and myself named him Bill! Lovely people with wonderful horses, fond memories indeed. Regards Barb |
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alistair leslie
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alistair leslie
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Posted - 06 Aug 2005 : 6:55:12 PM
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The Courthouse breeding is a favourite
I owned SOMRAH for a time before she died .Sire Shammar was super .
The filly foal SOMARA is now owned by Pat Carr who is fantastic in the way she rescued and restored the health (mental &physical) of this beauty
Great breeding
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Mike
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Posted - 06 Aug 2005 : 7:05:17 PM
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Sorry Alistair, it isn't Ferzon either
Some more clues, the World Champion Stallion, is also a former All Nations Cup Champion and was also Res World Champion Stallion the same year. He currently lives in Italy and stands 16HH.
Here are a couple of pics of his sire taken in the USA aged 3 by Jerry Sparagowski. The photo in my previous post shows a famous group of broodmares during the 1970's.
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Jingo
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Posted - 06 Aug 2005 : 9:54:46 PM
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Mike you are such a tease!!! Sire does not look Polish to me - but what would I know
For the Courthouse enthusiasts - I've been trawling thro my old photos etc and have added the following to the site - Rheingolde, Calexa, Blenheim, Raqqasa and her son Santanna (as a babe) and Spearmint at Crabbet - esp for barb and Jane(Vygoda)
Courthouse horses are now very rare - Jane has Spearmint and we have Santanna - they are not young boys, so use or lose!!!!
Also for CJ a photo of Shireema (Shirar x Sitara) my foundation mare - would come nowhere in the modern showring but boy did she have a fantastic tail carriage and good topline, good limbs and could move and snort like the best of em 
//www.flickr.com/photos/19913176@N00/
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Mike
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Posted - 06 Aug 2005 : 10:41:13 PM
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Ah Jude, those were the days, back when horses had bodies, hindquarters and legs!
I don't believe that I said the horse was Polish, merely that it wasn't Piechur! The flea-bitten grey stallion whose identity you are trying to guess is a tad unusual in being named after both his sire and his dam(who is in the small pic of the broodmares, along with the dam of the dark grey 3yo who also went flea-bitten). A full brother stood at Babolna for a while and the dam of the 3yo was leased by a sheikh to produce a very successfull show mare.
Mike
PS. The person holding Persimmon in the photo that Caroline posted, is connected with the full-blood brother who came to the UK. His dam is also in the small photo.
PPS. I was going to post a pic of a mare, but thought that this one would be easier! I will post thatone later if you wish |
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BobandEna
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Posted - 06 Aug 2005 : 11:33:13 PM
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I hope you don't mind Jude, but I have just got home again and this one is for my Buddy Jane, I know it will please her,
Mike, I'm on the case and maybe I can spend some time on your great puzzel,
Regards
Bob
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barb
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Posted - 07 Aug 2005 : 08:31:36 AM
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Mike, is the grey Nadschef, full brother to Nijamin who came to England and the other full brother Nadjib?
Is the photo of the grey mares from Holger Ismer stud?
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Mike
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Posted - 07 Aug 2005 : 10:59:26 AM
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Hi Barb,
You are on the right track, but it isn't Nadschef or Nadjib nor are the mares from the Ismer stud. But you are quite right with Nijamin
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Libby Frost
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Posted - 07 Aug 2005 : 12:43:30 PM
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Is the dark bay Persimmion can't remember how to spell it ,Major and Mrs Maxwells?? The chestnut looks like a Tollard Royal picture,but i dont know horse!! |
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Mike
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Posted - 07 Aug 2005 : 12:55:59 PM
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Hi Libby,
The bay is Persimmon, the chestnut is Spearmint both having Courthouse blood and their photos were very kindly posted as part of the discussion following the correct identification of St Simon.
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BobandEna
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Posted - 07 Aug 2005 : 1:15:55 PM
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Mike,
I have one of your horses as
NADIR I (Champion of France, Champion of Germany, Champion of the Nations'Cup, Champion of Europe, and Vice-Worldchampion)
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pat day
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Posted - 07 Aug 2005 : 1:18:02 PM
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Mike this is doing my head in.
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Mike
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Posted - 07 Aug 2005 : 1:19:23 PM
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Sorry Bob, not Nadir I lovely boy though he is!And one of my favourite horses
Mike
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C.J.
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Posted - 07 Aug 2005 : 1:27:55 PM
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Well Mike, all I can say to your puzzle is arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! (Pat you are not alone; this one is slowly driving me potty!)
So Nadir is wrong but are you saying that Nijamin is the right ‘full brother’ that came to the UK? But then there is supposed to be a connection to Shaker El Masri somewhere which rules Nijamin out? Or is it a connection due to breeder/ownership rather than pedigree? Incidentally I found a photo of Nijamin in my albums dated 1985 and the poor thing is standing in the pouring rain looking quite fed up –just like last Saturday at Malvern!
Barb, so pleased you liked the photo. I’ve got some really nice ones of Spearmint taken over the years and was fascinated to read that you knew him as a foal, would love to see some of your ‘baby’ photos. Yes, I remember Mrs Oppe and Golden Flambeau too, as Mike said, ‘those were the days’! I did a little more work on Shahpoor’s story for you - He was sold to Mrs Tyzack of Phoenix Arabian Stud who advertised him at stud in 1976 and 1977. Not a great deal was heard of him after that until 1985 when Sue & Emrys Jones of Bychan Stud advertised that they were ‘delighted to have Shahpoor with us again for the 1986 season.’ They advertised him at stud again in 1988 stating that he was now jointly owned by Mr & Mrs G Butcher and themselves and that ‘we have come to terms with his summer weight loss but in order for him to be seen at his best, we plan to take him to Paris in December.’ Shahpoor was shown at the AHS Show at Ascot that year and became the British National Champion Stallion. In 1989 he was the ‘Paris International Reserve Champion’ and according to the Jones’s advert in 1990 he was the ‘oldest horse in the show’ and awarded the ‘highest points scored at the show.’ If anyone would like to add to these notes please do.
Jude, many thanks indeed for sharing the photos of your horses with us; strangely enough, I’ve a greeting card with the same painting of Blenheim on it but never realised it was him as it was un-credited so thanks for clearing up another mystery! It is a great shame that these bloodlines are now so rare and I do hope people will use Spearmint and Santanna before it is too late. However, I must apologise to you for only recently realising ‘who’ you were! My excuse is that I came rather late to this forum (Sept 2004) and it’s taken me a while to put ‘2&2’ together (yes, I know I should look at the members list more often!) and to cut a long story short, I’ve known of your stud for years and even came across the advert mentioning Sandvad yesterday! So I hope everyone will forgive me if I’m a bit slow on the uptake sometimes…… can’t blame it all on ‘senior moments’!
Hi Libby, you might be interested to know that the photograph of the bay and chestnut was taken at Crabbet Park by the famous wall that Lady Wentworth used so often as a back drop to her photographs.
Back to the drawing board.....
Caroline
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Mike
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Posted - 07 Aug 2005 : 1:53:30 PM
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Hi Caroline,
This wasn't intended to be difficult, but perhaps its the way my mind works!You are on the right lines regarding the connection between Shaker El Masri and the full-blood brother of Nijamin.
Today there is a tendancy to concentrate on only the most well known breeders (possibly most successfully promoted) and their horses. In doing so I feel that you lose far more than you gain. English arab breeding historically was far from being confined to Crabbet Park, without the contributions of Courthouse, Hanstead, George Ruxton and many others we would be far poorer in horses than we are today! I sincerly hope that Spearmint and Santanna don't continue to be overlooked. These bloodlines have a heck of a lot to offer!
Anyone want another clue?
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C.J.
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Posted - 07 Aug 2005 : 2:21:20 PM
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Mike, I do agree with you about these wonderful old bloodlines that shouldn't be lost, just wish I had the money to buy some of them before it is too late. One of my favourite old Courthouse stallions was Benjamin, I never saw him in real life, only in photographs but he did look so lovely.
As to NIJAMIN, for anyone who hasn’t got access to the stud books these are his details:
Sire: Gharib by Anter (Hamdan x Obeya) out of Souhair (Sid Abouhom x Salwa)
Dam: Nedjari by Hadban Enzahi (Nazeer x Kamla) out of Nadja (Nazeer x Nefisa)
Dark brown stallion foaled 1985 bred by Haupt and Landgestut Marbach, Germany imported by the Maxwell’s in 1985 (Vol 15 AHSB).
Caroline |
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C.J.
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Posted - 07 Aug 2005 : 2:24:41 PM
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PPS Should have added that Mike stated that the horse is a full blood brother to Nijamin.
Caroline |
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C.J.
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Posted - 07 Aug 2005 : 2:28:53 PM
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By the way Mike, we're not the only ones bewildered by your fiendish little puzzle...................
Yours in fun
Caroline |
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