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Cate
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 Posted - 02 Aug 2005 : 10:48:07 PM
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Oh boy I've only just come home and so much has happened on this thread since I viewed it last.....definitely compulsive viewing and such fun
Hi Caroline...so glad I'm not the only one in the 50 class....Arabitis keeps us all young me thinks
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C.J.
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Posted - 02 Aug 2005 : 11:07:34 PM
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Mike, many congrats on getting the right answer! (What were you saying about Polish pedigrees not being your forte  )
However, not wishing to be a pain in the "you know where" but Grojec was exported to the USA in 1977 not 1978. In her advert in the Autumn 77 AHS News, Lady Anne Lytton stated that 'he is to continue his good work in the USA.' I'd actually written 'sold?' next to it as the meaning wasn't very clear. The reason I was interested in Groject was due to him being the grandsire of my first Arabian (purchased in 1977!) the gelding DAHAB (General Grant x Djemila by Grojec x Mahbubat Bint El Malik by Mikeno x Mifaria by Oran). DAHAB was later sold to Mr Mohammed, past president of the AHS who informed me last Xmas that DAHAB was still fit and well at the age of 30! But I digress...should add that the stud book also lists Grojec's date of export as 1977. He was sold to Ken & Peg Johnson of Rancho Del Rio, CA who had also imported the Polish stallion Carrador (Comet x Czaruta) and the Spanish stallion Figuroso (Tabal x Bahia II) who had been shown at the AHS Show, Ascot in one of the International classes (I have a photo somewhere).
Thanks for such a great puzzle Anne, it really had us all buzzing about (more like a demented bumble bee in my case!)
Now since we are talking about Sweden, who might this be (No prizes for guessing who the artist is as the signature is visible but you could have a go at guessing what medium it is painted in )
All the best
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Mike
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Eire
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Posted - 02 Aug 2005 : 11:09:29 PM
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Pure luck on my part I think this time!
I am sure that one of our "Polish" experts will be happy to relate Grojec's influence in the UK through sons such as Sha'ir, Sky Crusader and Cranleigh Fredrec to mention but three. I myself had a granddaughter by his son Royal Bay of whom I have very fond memories.
In the meantime though, who is this? And which old established stud was the breeder?
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C.J.
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 02 Aug 2005 : 11:10:34 PM
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Hi Cate
Do agree...Arabitis does keep you young, must be all that running we do to keep up with the little darlings!
Kind regards
Caroline |
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C.J.
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 02 Aug 2005 : 11:14:07 PM
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Mike
I'm sorry, I've just noticed that you've posted a question as well so shall we answer yours first and come back to mine later
Best wishes
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Mike
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Eire
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Posted - 02 Aug 2005 : 11:21:22 PM
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Hi Caroline,
We seem to have been posting at more or less the same time! I suspect that Anne's date of 1978 would perhaps be the year of his registration in the USA having travelled the year before.
I don't mind which order our questions get answered in, perhaps yours should be Q1 and mine Q2!For your question I think that the medium is acrylic but I'm not saying anything about the horse!
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alistair leslie
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England
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Posted - 02 Aug 2005 : 11:40:36 PM
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| The artist is known for oils but this one could be pastels |
    
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Cate
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Scotland
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Posted - 03 Aug 2005 : 12:05:31 AM
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| I'm with Alistair and say oils |
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C.J.
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 03 Aug 2005 : 12:45:02 PM
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Mike
You are quite right, 1978 probably refers to Grojec’s USA registration date, just me being pedantic I’m afraid 
I think the painting could cause some problems as the subject, a mare, is not so well known now but I thought she tied in neatly with Anne’s last posting as she was born in Sweden and is of Polish bloodlines. Some clues are needed I think – first of all she was owned by someone who we will always associate with CRUSADER, secondly she is by Negatiw, thirdly she was shown at the AHS Show in 1977……………The painting itself is just that but the medium is not oils, pastel or acrylics
Anne
Can you tell us the foaling date for FADLAK? If you think he was exported to the USA we may just be able to find him in Arabian Horse World or another source, and please keep posting photos and questions for us, it really adds to the variety and just shows how much we can learn from each other 
Caroline
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Cate
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Posted - 03 Aug 2005 : 12:52:53 PM
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| Must be watercolour, which I said firstly, then thought no, so changed the post after looking at it again |
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Mike
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Eire
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Posted - 03 Aug 2005 : 1:23:11 PM
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My initial reaction was also that it was a watercolour, but the colours seemed too vibrant. Shows how much I know about art!
The mare was I think also the dam of a Swedish Reserve National Champion by Banat.
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Anfi
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Denmark
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Posted - 03 Aug 2005 : 2:32:36 PM
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Caroline
The only info I can find on Fadlak is that he was born in 1975, his registration nb. is FA 61/75 - his racing record is: 12 (3-2-2). That is all that comes up, sorry.
There is another photo of him here:
http://www.arabstam.com/stam/fadlakb.html
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BobandEna
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England
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Posted - 03 Aug 2005 : 9:08:01 PM
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Good evening, I'm back and to those who say they thought I had died,THIS CAT HAS NINE LIVES and Ena loves me REALLY
I big congratulations from me to all my Arabian Lines mates, who did so well at Malvern, I was proud to be a part of your teams and not even the weather could take the shine from my heart.
A BIGTHANK YOU to Caroline and all of you for your continued help and support. I LOVE YOU ALL
Now eyes down and look in
Name the Horse and tell me his Sire and Dam
Name the Rider
Also tell me about this horse
Clue it may look easy but it's not
Bob
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georgiauk
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Anfi
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Denmark
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Posted - 03 Aug 2005 : 10:17:27 PM
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Hi Bob - welcome back - we missed you 
The horse is El Alamein and the rider is Ronald Reagan. It should be by Celebes and out of Elipsa. It was a gift from the Mexican President around 1981 and the horse was the subject of a painting that was given to pres. Reagan by the Federal Republic of Germany.
(source http://www.wiwfarm.com/reagan.html)
Caroline - I think it is painted with water colours and I think that I've seen it recently. Peter Upton was judging at the Danish International A show at Vilhelmsborg and I was lucky to be allowed to look through some photos of his works that he had brought with him. Fascinating stuff I remember thinking that the mare reminded me of Sherifa, but I cannot remember who it actually was.
Anne
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Sadika
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 03 Aug 2005 : 10:26:37 PM
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Welcome home Bob!
PS I got a great photo of you and your brolley - fancy thinking to bring that all the way from sunny Spain - bet it thought it had gone into complete retirement!!!!!! |
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Mike
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Eire
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Posted - 03 Aug 2005 : 10:58:56 PM
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The mare in the painting is I believe Nebulosa(Negatiw X Bint Munira), owned by Countess Lewenhaupt prior to her export to the USA.
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Roseanne
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Posted - 03 Aug 2005 : 11:19:45 PM
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| Desperate to know who the bay is in Q2 Mike... ??? |
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Mike
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Eire
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Posted - 03 Aug 2005 : 11:45:49 PM
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Don't let the background fool you! This horse was bred very much closer to home, and was named after a Derby winner.
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pat day
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Posted - 04 Aug 2005 : 08:01:46 AM
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Well I can think of three,
Nashwan but he is grey, I think
The Minstral he is black/brown
Arctic Prince he is chestnut
Nijinski and Dante bays,
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Vygoda
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Posted - 04 Aug 2005 : 11:03:03 AM
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Is Mike's bay in the photo a stallion or a mare ? Or have I missed some post saying what sex the horse is??!! Or maybe I can't see the 'Crown Jewels' on the photo .
To me the horse looks English and of the Farosa family. HELP!!
Jane
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Mike
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Posted - 04 Aug 2005 : 11:21:35 AM
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Here are some more clues!
The derby winner ran in the 1880's, and was also the last derby winner to run in the Grand National finishing 2nd. The stud where he was bred was at one time home to a rather influential stallion by the name of Skowronek. The Maxwell's bred and later stood a son of his out of their foundation mare and this stallion was also named after a historical racehorse!
Jane, the horse is a stallion, and is of English breeding!
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C.J.
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 04 Aug 2005 : 12:01:30 PM
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Bob
So pleased you’re back As Anne said, we’ve really missed you
Anne
You’re amazing to get the name and pedigree of Ronald Reagan’s horse and so quickly too!(I have a faded newspaper clipping somewhere which shows the horse being presented to him but it doesn’t give any further details). Not much luck with FADLAK so far though I found him in Volume 14 of the AHS stud book (1982). As you said, he apparently won some classes in the UK and was leased to Denmark for one year before being sold to the USA. His maternal grandsire is Exelsjor who was exported to the USA too. I’ll have a look through the ‘foto finish’ pages of AHW to see if I can track him down.
As to the painting………………
Mike, you were spot on, it is indeed NEBULOSA. She was foaled in Sweden in 1963 and was by Negatiw x Bint Munira by Wielki Szlem and was Champion Mare and Reserve Champion of the National Show, Sweden in 1976. She was owned by Countess Penelope Lewenhaupt of Claestorp’s Arabian Stud (breeder of Crusader) who showed her at the AHS Show at Ascot in 1977. The painting is by Peter Upton and dated 1987 and to the best of my knowledge is in gouache, a very thick opaque watercolour hence the bright and vibrant colours. The photograph that the painting is based on is in the Spring 1977 issue of the AHS News page 129 (The original painting is in my possession but how I came to acquire it is another story).
Marilyn
Picked up the majority of my AHS photos from the developers today, they’re okay but I think my automatic camera is getting a bit elderly, it certainly doesn’t like overcast weather and has problems focusing on dark horses. What we need is some recommendations from the professionals of the best camera and films to use (or are you on digital now?) Pleeeeeeeeeeease
Thanks for the latest clues Mike, must admit your mention earlier of a TB connection made me think of the Maxwells as they named a number of their horses after famous race horses but I know its not Persimmon. Think we might be advised to look in the direction of Courthouse Stud.............
Caroline
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Jingo
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 04 Aug 2005 : 12:07:46 PM
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St Simon - think he was exported to Brazil. He covered a few mares before he left. I have a daughter by Sorbus (St Simon x Volante).
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C.J.
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Posted - 04 Aug 2005 : 12:09:52 PM
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Oh gosh, I know who it is now and where the photograph was probably taken.........
Caroline |
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