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Mike
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 Posted - 31 Jul 2005 : 5:58:28 PM
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Hi Caroline,
I think that its Kuraishi(Maleik El Kheil X Kazra El Saghira) at Ascot in '86. Bred by the Maxwell's if I recall correctly he was Futurity Champion & Junior Male Champion and ended Zircon Nazeer's long unbeaten run in the Showring (which included 2 Junior European Male Titles).
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Jingo
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Posted - 31 Jul 2005 : 5:59:13 PM
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| Deep breath!!!! It is Kuraishi (Maleik El Kheil x Kazra El Saghira) 1983 colt bred by the Maxwells. He was National Jun Male Champion in 1986. Sorry can't remember the name of the people who own him. |
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Jingo
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Mike
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Eire
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Posted - 31 Jul 2005 : 6:04:23 PM
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Such is life Jude! I have now got my own back on you for Achim! I looked at the picture, thought "That's Achim", went out to bottle feed a foal, came back in to post, only to find that you had posted a minute earlier!
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barb
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 31 Jul 2005 : 6:05:32 PM
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Glad you had a good time Caroline and thank you for posting such a good quiz.
This is Kuraishi, junior champ in 86. By Maleik el Kheil x Kazra el Saghira. Bred by Maj. and Mrs Maxwell and owned by Mrs Elliot and Miss Round.
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barb
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Posted - 31 Jul 2005 : 6:07:53 PM
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Well Mike and Jude what can I say !!!!!
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LYNDILOU
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Posted - 31 Jul 2005 : 6:18:53 PM
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| Have to say I didnt have a clue but it was nice to see Bob again and to meet you Caroline, I didnt really meet anymore people from here as I was so busy catching up with old friends but I am going to chat with Paula about us having a quiz forum for all of you clever people !! |
   
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Anfi
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Denmark
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Posted - 31 Jul 2005 : 7:01:42 PM
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Phew, Caroline, that was a tough one
Here's a short one with no theme
Who are these two?
Picking up on an earlier theme of this thread, what have THEY done for YOU??? IOW what influence, if any, have they had on the Arabian in GB?
On a very different note - who is this?
and what has been the influence of this particular horse?
Enjoy
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C.J.
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Posted - 01 Aug 2005 : 5:44:27 PM
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Mike, Yes you are right, it is Kuraishi (photo taken in 1988). I posted this pic as a thank you to Bob for starting this thread as his much loved mare Minraishi was of this bloodline. It was super to meet you at the show Lynda and Jane and Pat (Day) too and I got a big cuddle from Bob as well  - what more could a girl ask for?!?!
Barb, Thanks for your post. The show was great but I must remember to re-waterproof my Barbour before next year, to say I got wet is an understatement! The horses were glorious but just imagine if the sun had been out on all those lovely dark bays, chestnuts and greys - it would have been the icing on the cake!(I haven't forgotten about Shahpoor by the way)
Lynda, like you I hope that this thread can be a permanent feature on ArabianLines, many thanks to Sean and Paula not only for the website but for letting us post all the questions and photographs.
Anne, thanks for posting some more puzzles for us (the more the merrier!) I know who the last horse is (the grey) but not too sure about the first two - time to rumage through the bookcase again I think!
Thanks again to everyone for supporting this thread and for having a 'go' at the quiz, let me know when you feel like another one!
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alistair leslie
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Posted - 02 Aug 2005 : 09:42:39 AM
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Suggestion
A QUIZ NIGHT AT TOWERLANDS OR MALVERN?
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barb
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Posted - 02 Aug 2005 : 12:16:41 PM
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Hello Anne, a few clues might HELP!! I thought it was Ofir, but since looking at a photo the white markings are different, so I am stuck!
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Anfi
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Posted - 02 Aug 2005 : 12:48:56 PM
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Clues eh..
Well ok
The first two horses are related, but bred by different studs not in GB. I do not think they have ever been to GB, either. They have however been influential through a famous grandget who had a son that was exported to the US in 1978. Confused? I think I managed to confuse even myself |
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Cate
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Posted - 02 Aug 2005 : 1:04:12 PM
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| The grey is Sameh (El Moez x Samira - Inshass) foaled April 4 1945 |
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Cate
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Posted - 02 Aug 2005 : 1:10:49 PM
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Whoops! you want influence also, well here goes from what Judith Forbis says
The Farouk stallion Sameh contributed a good deal to the EAO breeding program. He was a particularly striking individual, powerful in overall appearance, and he passed on extreme trotting action to his get, as well as particularly smooth conformation. His head was clean and breedy, but with very little dish. His fillies were particularly lovely, and he was a better female sire than a male sire by far. His most outstanding son is Ibn Hafiza, imported to America by Gleannloch, Hafiza being intense Nazeer breeding, possessing commendable size, long neck, overall smoothness, and refinement, and belongs to the relatively rare strain of Abeyan Om Jurays.
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Anfi
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Posted - 02 Aug 2005 : 1:54:25 PM
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Hi Cate,
Yes, this is exactly what I hoped for. Unlike many other participants in this quiz, I do not have a lifetime of experience with breeding and pedigrees and strains and such - I have been striken with arabitis for four or five years, but there is SO much to learn and so little time (I'm nearing 40, so there..) I REALLY appreciate the knowledge many of you guys possess and share so willingly. I try to do like a sponge and absorb it, but the vessel is faulty, I'm afraid and mostly I have to see things more than once to remember. Therefore, forgive me if I seem ignorant - I really want to learn
Oh, and yes you were right of course - it is indeed Sameh |
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Cate
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Posted - 02 Aug 2005 : 2:26:28 PM
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Hi Anfi,
Well I'm 52, so you're just a young thing!
I got the info from The Classic Arabian Horse by Judith Forbis, although I recognised the horse, so knew where to get the info from.
I am like you I love this thread and try to remember everything I read about the different bloodlines...although I have always loved Arabian horses, unfortunately, when my husband was dying in 2000 I took a flakey and threw all my Arab books/mags/AHS mag out, some dating to the old Riding mags in the 70's,which every year did a feature on Arabs. They all had lots of info in them.
Anyhow, onward and upward...Arabitis sure never leaves you....my old Highland Granny from the Isle of Lewis used to quote the poem she learned at her village school "The Arabs Farewell to his Steed" probably not the correct title, and I was not 5 then, and then saw an "I Spy" book in a shop window when coming home from school...I was about 6 then...guess what.... yep! an Arabian on the front cover! Always wanted one from then on. |
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C.J.
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Posted - 02 Aug 2005 : 5:15:17 PM
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Oh Cate, I'm so pleased I'm not the only one the wrong side of 50! (51 actually) and I can identify with how you felt when you were losing your husband. Grief can do this to us so easily. I lost both parents within a 2 year period and although I didn't get rid of my Arab books or mags it just meant I didn't read any of them. That was 6 years ago now and I seem to be peddling like mad to catch up! I find some of the 'newer' horses can catch me out but I'm normally okay once I look at their pedigrees and recognise names 2-3 generations back but....I still have a lot to learn.
I'm so pleased that you and Anne like this thread as much as I do. The Arabian has a very rich and varied history and the people involved have such fascinating stories to tell. I never tire of reading about them all and can only marvel at the accomplishments
of past owners/breeders and their horses.
Anne, would the horse exported to the USA in 1978 be by Banat by any chance (Jolly good question by the way, think it will keep us on our toes for sometime yet!)
All the best
Caroline
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barb
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Posted - 02 Aug 2005 : 5:27:31 PM
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| Well Anne, I am afraid that I have had to consult my guru and he says that it is Witez, by Ofir, so iwas a bit close and his son Wisznu, in Germany. Witez was exported to North America and he won the Kellogg Perpetual Trophy. When I worked at Umm Qarn we had Dimfixa, a wonderful mare and a Witez Great granddaughter, what conformation she had. Regards Barb |
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Anfi
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Posted - 02 Aug 2005 : 5:39:01 PM
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Caroline,
No, I'm afraid it is not Banat that was exported to the US But it was a Pole (hint hint).
Barb
No, it's not Witez either although the facts seem to fit.
It seems I found a 'bad' puzzle for you
Anne
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Mike
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Posted - 02 Aug 2005 : 6:00:11 PM
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I suspect that the horse exported to the USA was Eukaliptus, though I thought that he went there in 1979. Which would make one of the two bays Witraz and the other his grandam Gazella II and the famous grandson would be Bandos. Or quite probably not, Polish pedigree's really aren't my forte!
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C.J.
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Posted - 02 Aug 2005 : 8:23:09 PM
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Anne, I think we've both got our lines crossed on this one! I thought you meant that a horse was exported from the UK to the USA in 1978 and the only two I can find in Vol 14 that fit the bill are Rose of Brinsea and Sky of Fortune both by Banat, hence my question was the horse by Banat? However, re-reading your posting more carefully I notice that you don't say where the horse was exported from so that leaves the field wide open doesn't it! So back to the drawing board........
Caroline
Mike, I don't think either of these two are Witraz, markings are wrong on the bottom one for a start. The top one (head shot) could just possibly be El Azrak but I'd need to pull out all my Polish books to double check. (Oh isn't this fun ) |
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egzotyka
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Posted - 02 Aug 2005 : 8:49:54 PM
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Mike
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Posted - 02 Aug 2005 : 9:24:21 PM
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Caroline,
I believe that you are right regarding Witraz! I still think that the horse exported to the US (from Poland) was Eukaliptus (the sire of Edykt), but now believe that the famous grandget(I assumed grandson but Anne didn't say so) was Eunice (Comet X Epigona) The 1st bay is I am now fairly sure is Bad Afas so I will hazard a guess at the 2nd being his son Abu Afas. However since Comet was a particularly significant sire then he could be the famous grandson
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C.J.
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Posted - 02 Aug 2005 : 10:26:40 PM
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Right, I should be going to bed rather than sitting here staring at a computer but this thread is compulsive
Mike, the head shot could be Bad Afas as the one I have of him is not dissimilar. The body shot isn't him though as he didn't have hind socks.
If we are talking about a Polish bred horse that was exported to the USA in 1978 then there are at least three but the real "biggy" is ALADDINN who was imported by Lasma in September of that year. He was US Nat Champion Stallion in 1979 and was by Nureddin (by Witraz) out of Lalage (Gerwazy x Lafirynda). ERROS had been imported late 1977/early 1978 and was the 1978 US Res Nat Champion stallion. He was by El Paso (Czort x Ellora) out of Eskapada (Naborr x Estokada). Another stallion was imported who was billed as the 'most exciting stallion to leave Poland' called DOMAN. So...we are no further along really and it might be time for another teeny weeny clue Oh, and yes, El Azrak did have a long white blaze and two small hind socks almost, but not quite the same as those in the second photo.
Yours sleepily 
Caroline
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Anfi
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Posted - 02 Aug 2005 : 10:30:44 PM
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Hi Mike,
You're absolutely right - they are Bad Afas and his son Abu Afas whose grandson Comet
had a son Grojec (x Gastronomia)
that was exported to the US in 1978.
His son Cashmir (x Cassada)
sired the stallion Fadlak (x Ayscha) bred in Sweden
who left many good offspring in Denmark before he was reexported. I'm not sure where to, but I think the US.
If anyone knows of the influence of some of these horses in the UK or elsewhere, I'd love to hear about it.
Anne |
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