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LYNDILOU
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Posted - 24 Jul 2005 :  6:04:46 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add LYNDILOU to your friends list Send LYNDILOU a Private Message
Well bu..er me I think its the first time I ever got one right!!! and even then I was not sure! next one is it Rostam? dont know the bloke but he has a good head of hair!


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georgiauk
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Posted - 24 Jul 2005 :  7:42:26 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add georgiauk to your friends list Send georgiauk a Private Message
Is it Brian Blake?

Edited by - georgiauk on 24 Jul 2005 7:43:01 PM
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Lynda
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Posted - 24 Jul 2005 :  8:14:23 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Lynda to your friends list Send Lynda a Private Message
I agree, I think it is Brian Blake, or thought it was, but it looks as though the horse has a distinct bridle path, so now I'm not so sure.
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Sadika
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Posted - 24 Jul 2005 :  8:14:55 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Sadika to your friends list Send Sadika a Private Message
Ibn Estopa and Brian Blake AHS Kempton 1989.

Marilyn


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barb
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Posted - 25 Jul 2005 :  07:53:20 AM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add barb to your friends list Send barb a Private Message
Yes, agree It is Brian Blake with Ibn Estopa. I will look forward to your info on Shahpoor Caroline, thank you.
Regards Barb.
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C.J.
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Posted - 25 Jul 2005 :  5:47:07 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add C.J. to your friends list Send C.J. a Private Message
Lynn, you were right in guessing that it’s Brian Blake shown in the photo but Marilyn came up ‘trumps’ with the handler, horse, year and show! Phew that’s really something!

To Ibn Estopa - I thought it would be nice to feature him as he has been mentioned a number of times on this thread especially in the last few pages. The Arab Show was based at Ascot for many years but was held for one year at Kempton Park prior to it moving to Malvern. The jazzy blue rope was a “feature” of this show and it tends to pop up in all the wrong places in most of my photos!

Now I know Bob intended to post a quiz before he left for Malvern but I think he ran out of time so I am going to post one in his place to keep this splendid thread ‘on the go’ whilst he is away. For those not attending the show, or if you have a laptop and get bored (?) looking at the lovely horses, this should give you plenty to chew on. To help with identification, horses photographed at British shows have UK after their names. So pencils and paper at the ready, lamps lit for ‘burning the midnight oil’ and thinking caps on and ………Good luck!

1) Who is this? (UK)

2) Who wrote the following and who is the Anne mentioned in the text?
August 7th
Am writing Sat 21st, my last Crabbet morning was one of sunshine. And somehow my impression is that probably Anne with her passionate love of Arabian horses and of riding would be naturally suited to S. Obeyd. In fact it is she who takes the most interest in the Stud at present and really begins to understand about it.

3) Who painted this picture? What is its title?

4) For many years a memorial trophy has been presented at the Arab Horse Society Show in remembrance of a breeder who did much to promote the Arabian horse and who was also connected to the ‘Nations Cup.’ Who was this person? What was the name of his/her stud and the horse he/she bred that became National Champion? What newspaper is he/she and the trophy normally associated with?
5) Who is this and who bred him/her? (UK)

6) Who was sold at auction in 1969 at the then record price of $150,000.00?
7) What is meant by the “Raffles bump”?
8) Who is this?

9) Name R.S. Summerhays’s much loved Arabian stallion.
10) Who painted this picture? Who is the subject? How is this horse connected to the one in photograph 8 and how are they both connected to the horse in photograph 1?

11) Who does this pedigree belong to?
Black bay foaled April 21 1937 by Zarife out of Roda at J.M. Dickinson’s Travellers Rest Arabian Stud.
12) Who is this? (UK)

Answers Sunday 31st July.

I’m away to Malvern on Wednesday so travel safely everyone and best of luck to all who are competing, may your rosettes all be red ones!

Caroline


"And God said to the Wind 'Be thou gathered together.' And the wind was gathered together....And he created from a handful of wind a horse of chestnut colour like gold. And God let loose the Swift Runner, and he went on his way neighing."

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Mike
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Posted - 25 Jul 2005 :  6:19:34 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Mike to your friends list Send Mike a Private Message
Q11 is Hallany Mistanny and the rose grey colt pictured in Q12 is I think Zircon Nazeer at Ascot in 1985 or 86, I can't decide which

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Mike
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Posted - 25 Jul 2005 :  6:29:15 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Mike to your friends list Send Mike a Private Message
Q1 looks like Melchior, Q8 would be Hadban Enzahi and the painting in Q10 is I think of Ghazal, presumably by Carl-Heinz Domken his owner. Melchior being a grandson of both Hadban Enzahi and Ghazal

Mike
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LYNDILOU
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Posted - 25 Jul 2005 :  7:42:02 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add LYNDILOU to your friends list Send LYNDILOU a Private Message
Last one is Zircon Nazeer!


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Edited by - LYNDILOU on 25 Jul 2005 8:29:16 PM
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LYNDILOU
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Posted - 25 Jul 2005 :  7:45:10 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add LYNDILOU to your friends list Send LYNDILOU a Private Message
Never could spell! is the first one Mustaphah ( I have edited it to put the spelling right!)


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Edited by - LYNDILOU on 26 Jul 2005 3:50:40 PM
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Lynda
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Posted - 25 Jul 2005 :  8:00:11 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Lynda to your friends list Send Lynda a Private Message
Q9: R.S Summerhays's stallion was Jaleel.
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Jingo
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Posted - 25 Jul 2005 :  8:39:39 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Jingo to your friends list Send Jingo a Private Message
Q5 is Achim (Noran x Tehoura) bred by Dr Houtappel (I think)

Jude
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Sadika
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Posted - 25 Jul 2005 :  10:08:41 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Sadika to your friends list Send Sadika a Private Message
Q4 Lady Harmsworth Blunt. Bred Jamshid (by The Shah) jr male ch Peterborough 1975 (first AHS show I attended). Newspaper/Trophy: Daily Mail owned by the family.
That's all off the top of my head - no time to look it up now! - hope my memory's working well!

Marilyn


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barb
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Posted - 26 Jul 2005 :  08:05:02 AM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add barb to your friends list Send barb a Private Message
Q1 I think is Darweish, bred by Mr Martin from Scotland, by Melchior x Ireena
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barb
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Posted - 26 Jul 2005 :  08:18:54 AM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add barb to your friends list Send barb a Private Message
No it cannot be Darweish, he was dark grey, and no white legs!
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Lynda
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Posted - 26 Jul 2005 :  11:47:16 AM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Lynda to your friends list Send Lynda a Private Message
Q12 Definitely Zircon Nazeer(1984). Photo taken when he was a yearling
Q1 Possibly Sky Crusader, not 100%
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Sadika
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Posted - 26 Jul 2005 :  11:57:10 AM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Sadika to your friends list Send Sadika a Private Message
Q1 Melchior was never shown. I will go for Mustaphah.

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Mike
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Posted - 26 Jul 2005 :  3:25:55 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Mike to your friends list Send Mike a Private Message
Hi Marilyn,

I certainly can't remember Melchior being shown The clincher though (having put my brain into gear for once) is that Melchior was a homozygous grey and the horse in Q1 is simply too dark! So I agree that its Mustaphah 1978 (Melchior X Crystal Shadow). Crystal Shadow was bay and of course a full sister of Velvet Shadow. Melchior was bred by Marbach, who owned Hadban Enzahi and leased Ghazal. Mameluck, Melchior's sire was exported to the USA.

Jude,

I am pretty sure that Q5 is Achim who was bred by Dr Houtappel in Holland and if memory serves was twice British National Champion Stallion. His half brother "Rex The Robber" would have been on the telly showjumping at the HOYS and Olympia at around the same time (1979) as Achim was winning the veteran class at Ascot.

Mike
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alistair leslie
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Posted - 26 Jul 2005 :  8:36:44 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add alistair leslie to your friends list Send alistair leslie a Private Message

1 Sysyrinchium?
2Harrington Bird painting"Horses of the Desert"
3 Wilfred writing of Lady Anne Blunt
Gonorar Bred J Kadri
4Bask?
5Hips raised
6 Dreamazon
7 Skowronek
painted Miss Stevens
Related to Dreamazon
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Zircon Nazer Ascot 85


blue moon
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alistair leslie
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Posted - 26 Jul 2005 :  9:27:06 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add alistair leslie to your friends list Send alistair leslie a Private Message
sorry the numbers are all wrong but you can work it out


blue moon
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Stevie
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Posted - 26 Jul 2005 :  9:35:17 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Stevie to your friends list Send Stevie a Private Message
Don't think Q1 is Mustaphah,l'm sure Penny Harrisn only ever showed
him herself!!That look's like a mans shoe?????
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Libby Frost
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Posted - 26 Jul 2005 :  9:52:00 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Libby Frost to your friends list Send Libby Frost a Private Message
im sure thats not mustaphah.

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Anfi
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Posted - 31 Jul 2005 :  2:39:44 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Anfi to your friends list Send Anfi a Private Message
Ok, since we have now arrived at the 31st, we need a little summary, methinks

Q1 suggestions: Melchior/Mustaphah/Darweish/Sky Crusader/Sysyrinchium?
Q2 suggestions: Wilfried Blunt writing of Lady Anne Blunt
Q3 suggestions: painting byHarrington Bird, Horses of the desert / possibly painting by Peter Upton or Lady Anne?
Q4 suggestions: Lady H. Blunt. Jamschid. Daily Mail
Q5: Achim (Noran x Tehoura)
Q6 ?
Q7: hips raised
Q8: Dreamazon (at least I think that is Alistair's suggestion)
Q9:?
Q10 suggestions: Skowronek by Miss Stevens or Ghazal by C.H. Domken
Q11: Hallany Mistanny
Q12: Zircon Nazeer

We are really in trouble with most of the answers here - I think we might need more help, please

Anne




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barb
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Posted - 31 Jul 2005 :  5:01:07 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add barb to your friends list Send barb a Private Message
I am now sure Q1 is Mustaphah, by Melchior.
Regards Barb
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C.J.
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Posted - 31 Jul 2005 :  5:25:48 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add C.J. to your friends list Send C.J. a Private Message
Just back from Malvern with soggy shoes and socks - anyone else get drowned yesterday afternoon? As always a great show with some fabulous horses, my camera was working overtime!

Now to ‘The Quiz’…..First of all, many thanks to everyone who responded and for all the entertaining and interesting replies. The correct answers are as follows:

1) Lynda (Lyndilou) was the first to suggest the right answer which is MUSTAPHAH grey stallion f 1978 (Melchior x Crystal Shadow) photographed competing at the AHS Show in 1980 when he was part of the winning Melchior sire produce group (others in the group were Melchani, Milindani and Mhamid).

2) I’m afraid nobody got this one right – the quote is taken from ‘Lady Anne Blunt, Journals and Correspondence 1878-1917’ and the excerpt is from her journal for 1912 where she is writing that her granddaughter Anne (Lady Anne Lytton) would be naturally suited to Sheikh Obeyd. If you haven’t read this book then I do urge you to together with her ‘Bedouin Tribes of the Euphrates,’ ‘A Pilgrimage to Nejd’ and Elizabeth Longford’s excellent life of Wilfrid Scawen Blunt ‘A Pilgrimage of Passion.’

3) Alistair, you had the right answer to the first painting question which is – ‘Horses of the Desert’ by Harrington Bird. This picture has been reproduced many times and appropriately enough, on the dust jacket of the 1977 edition of W.R. Brown’s ‘The Horse of the Desert.’

4) Marilyn provided a correct and very detailed answer to this question which was – Margaret, Lady Harmsworth Blunt (who died on November 12th 1991 at the age of 93). Her Hunum Arabian Stud was established shortly after she purchased her first Arabian in 1957. Here she bred the 1975 Junior Male Champion Jamshid, a bay stallion f.1972 (The Shah x Balbura by Grojec). The newspaper is of course the Daily Mail which is part of the Associated Newspapers Group and still run by the Harmwsorth family. Incidentally, the founder of the dynasty, Alfred Harmsworth (Lord Northcliffe) was an early pioneer motorist and his 1903 60hp Mercedes (a very rare beast) is still owned by the family and on show at the National Motor Museum.

5) Jude you got this one – it is of course the gorgeous ACHIM photographed at the AHS Show Ascot in 1983. He was foaled in 1961 by Noran (Oran x Nerina) out of Tehoura (Radi x Niseyra) and bred by Dr H C E M Houtappel, the Netherlands (who later re-located his Rodania stud to the UK). Achim was the Supreme Male Champion in 1973 and Stallion Champion in 1983. He was imported from the Netherlands in 1971 and exported to the USA when Rodania moved there in 1984.

6) This question seems to have defeated everyone for the answer is – NABORR. Naborr was foaled in 1950 by Negatiw x Lagodna and bred at the Tersk Stud, Russia where he was registered as Nabor. Naborr then travelled to Poland where he sired 61 foals before being imported by Mrs Anne McCormick of Scottsdale, Arizona in 1963. He was sold at auction in 1969 at 19 years of age for the then unheard of price of $150,000.00 - it was billed as ‘the day that rocked the Arabian Horse Industry.’ The buyer was Tom Chauncey who confessed that his bidding for the horse was so discreet that not even his wife, who was sitting next to him, knew what was happening! Tom later sold a half-share to Wayne Newton, the owner of Aramus, another famous Naborr son.

7) No, the ‘Raffles bump’ is nothing to do with hips! Rather, it applies to the slight bump on the nose that was a characteristic of the famous stallion RAFFLES. Raffles was bred by Lady Wentworth and foaled in 1926, grey in colour he was by Skowronek x Rifala by Skowronek and exported to the USA in 1930 to the stud of Roger Selby in Portsmouth, Ohio, who had also imported Raffles’s dam Rifala in 1928. Although small in size (reputedly 13.3hh) he went on to be one of the most popular Arabian sires in the USA and as Gladys Brown Edwards wrote “Most of the Raffles get are noted for beauty of head and neck, though some had the “Raffles bump” on the nose, giving an effect of dish that was really a rise from the plane of the head to the nasal bump.” (‘The Arabian, War Horse to Show Horse.’)

8) Mike was first with the right answer for this one for it is the stallion – HADBAN ENZAHI (photograph from ‘Arabische Pferde’ by Carl R Raswan and Ursula Guttmann)

9) Lynda you had the answer to the question regarding R S Summerhay’s stallion for it was indeed – JALEEL (a liver chestnut by Naseem). Reginald S Summerhays was the President of the AHS from 1939-1945 and a prolific author, two of his books being ‘ The Arabian Horse in Great Britain’ and ‘A Lifetime with Horses’ which features a photograph of him riding Jaleel.

10) Mike you were right on the button with this one as the painting is, as you say of – GHAZAL by his owner Carl-Heinz Domken. However, you forgot to mention what the link was between him and HADBAN ENZAHI which is of course that they were both by Nazeer, both bred by El Zahraa Stud, Egypt and both exported to Germany (together with the third famous Nazeer son Kaisoon). You were right too in the connection with MUSTAPHAH in question 1 for Melchior’s sire was Mameluck (Hadban Enzahi (Kamel) x Moheba II (Ghazal x Malacha) and his dam was Mamsahi (Ghazal x Masarrah). The painting is taken from the book ‘Ghazal, Der Furst der Pferde’ by Carl-Heinz Domken.

11) Mike, you were right with this one too for the pedigree belongs to the famous HALLANY MISTANNY. (His sire Zarife was featured in an earlier question on this thread)

12) Lots of you got this one right including Lyndilou, Lynda, Alistair and Anne but first off the mark was Mike with the correct answer of ZIRCON NAZEER photographed at the AHS Show in 1985.

Phew! That was quite a competition wasn’t it! Well done to everyone who had the right answers and I do hope you all enjoyed it as much as I did. But you can’t rest on your laurels yet……since the theme of our quiz was loosely based on the AHS ‘Nationals’ what can you tell me about this past winner? (Bob, this one is especially for you!)


Caroline

PS Forgot to add that, as always, all photos are my own unless otherwise credited.











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