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LYNDILOU
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 Posted - 07 Jul 2005 : 08:58:46 AM
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Patricia Lindsay, has done a lot for the arabian in the uk today ( just think of the breed without Carmargue!) and should be applauded as a front runner in the breed history ( which I am sure she already is) but some of the new commers may not know of her and the respect most of us have for her and her sister, such lovely ladies.
Bob I have my Mic set up now can you scype me??? oh and when you asked about the wellies I thought you were joking! of course it wouldnt have been Hunters they are fairly new! silly me !!! |
   
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BobandEna
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Posted - 07 Jul 2005 : 3:47:17 PM
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Lynda, my skype is on all the time but your off line, make sure your on and I will bell you.
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C.J.
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Posted - 07 Jul 2005 : 6:47:40 PM
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Lynda, I do agree with you - Patricia (and her sister) have contributed so much to the breed and it would be nice to do a properly researched article about her and her achievments.
Time for another puzzle to keep us on our toes....who is this?
Good luck
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Deboniks
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Posted - 07 Jul 2005 : 9:03:21 PM
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I am on skype!!.... I didn't know some of you were! Haven't got a mic yet but I am Indian Flame. They have a mobile phone thing on e bay I'm going to get,only Ł15.00 so you can store the numbers in it. I hope you can see this post as last time I posted on this topic I was ignored   ..sorry don't know the answer to this either ....sorry if I'm off topic!...been away a long time an no one noticed |
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C.J.
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Posted - 07 Jul 2005 : 9:22:37 PM
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Debbie
Welcome back! Please don't think that you have been ignored as I'm sure we've all posted on topics before now and felt the same way but realised it isn't intentional. So keep on contributing to this topic - the more the merrier!
Best wishes
Caroline
PS Egzotyka (marvellous play on words by the way!)can you tell us more about your gelding and the Polish/Lindsay bloodlines he carries? |
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Deboniks
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Posted - 07 Jul 2005 : 9:29:54 PM
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Hi Caroline, Thanks...just joking... ....good to be back! loads to catch up on, I like this thread..thanks bobandena |
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Jingo
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Posted - 07 Jul 2005 : 9:35:43 PM
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Hi Debbie, I'm also on Skype BUT when I talk to Bob I echo - don't know whether it's because he's a different provider (I'm Wanadooo Broadband and microsoft) don't know whether that makes a difference.
My skype username is chrisevans1610. |
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Deboniks
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Posted - 07 Jul 2005 : 9:41:53 PM
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| Hi Jude, How are you..If you know how to contact just by text, contact me and i will add you to my contacts but hope to get the phone soon x |
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Basilisk
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Posted - 07 Jul 2005 : 10:11:27 PM
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Originally posted by C.J.
Lynda, I do agree with you - Patricia (and her sister) have contributed so much to the breed and it would be nice to do a properly researched article about her and her achievments.
Time for another puzzle to keep us on our toes....who is this?
Good luck
Caroline
Ferseyn as a youngster.
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BobandEna
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Posted - 07 Jul 2005 : 10:29:13 PM
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Hi Deb,
How are you ? I know how you feel, I get that feeling every day when I ask Ena to FEED ME but I think she loves me realy You haven't been a guest of HM have "U" Anyway welcome back .
OK after going through 1,000 books in just under one hour, I can put my hand on my heart and say to you Caroline that your Gee Gee is
It's Zarife 1928 (Ibn Samhan x Mahroussa)
pictured as a yearling in Egypt
Many thanks for your write up on the Lyndsey's, they should be mentioned in the same company as the Blunts.
This is my BIG thank you and the rest of the "A" team for being my buddies.
Regards
Bob
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Deboniks
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Posted - 07 Jul 2005 : 10:45:34 PM
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Hiya Bob...I KNOW THIS ONE!!!!! His name is donkey and he stared in the movie Shrek very very funny donkey
No wasn't at HM's pleasure that would have been better!! I've been caring for my 87 year old step father while my mum is in hospital. He had altsiemers(spelling) He is back again for a while and that is why I'm up late...I'm still trying to persuade him to go to bed and he doesn't need his passport as he is going to bed!!! ....bless him! |
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LYNDILOU
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Posted - 08 Jul 2005 : 08:26:19 AM
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| AHHH bless, bless donkey baby, and bless your ol step dad, needing a passport to go to bed, Debbie when I get to use Scype you must call me sweetie, and sorry you felt you were not missed of course you were! |
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C.J.
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Posted - 08 Jul 2005 : 8:39:51 PM
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Darn it! And there was me thinking that this latest little conundrum would keep you all occupied for a few days and Bob goes and gets the answer straight away! What’s a girl to do
10/10 Bob for the right answer and for finding the original photograph as well although mine came out of an old copy of ‘Arabian Horse World.’ Zarife is of interest as his head was used as a comparison to the horse of Selene from the Parthenon in Carl Raswan’s book ‘Drinkers of the Wind’ (1942 USA edition). A copy of the plate is shown below. For many years I thought the photo was of Nasr until I found it credited to Zarife.
As Bob’s photo caption shows, Zarife was imported by W.R. Brown (author of ‘The Horse of the Desert’) from Prince Mohamed Aly’s Manial Stud in Egypt. He was owned by the Travellers Rest Arabian Stud for awhile before being sold to the stud of L.W. Van Vleet in Colorado. There Zarife was used not only for breeding but as a working ‘cow horse’ and the photograph reproduced below is just one of the many to show him at work in an altitude of 12,500 feet (photo from ‘The Arabian Horse in America’ by Dr. George H. Conn) . Lady Wentworth also featured a photograph of Zarife working cattle in ‘The Authentic Arabian’ (see plate 130).
Zarife was also used as an example of an Arabian stallion in Walter T. Foster’s book ‘How to Draw Horses.’ I used to think that the drawing was roman nosed until I saw a photograph of the real horse and Raswan’s comparison to the horse of Selene.
So well done Bob and I hope you didn’t have to go through all 1,000 books and magazines to find the answer Thanks too for the delightful photo; there are a number of really pretty donkey foals out on the forest at the moment and it is tempting to bundle one into the car and bring it home but I think his 'mum' might notice!
All the best
Caroline
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pat day
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Posted - 11 Jul 2005 : 10:01:57 PM
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Any more brain teasers folks,
I have really missed this topic for the last few days. |
       
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BobandEna
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Posted - 11 Jul 2005 : 10:08:15 PM
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Hi Caroline,
Sorry for the delay, but I have been away and yesterday we visited Stevie near Malaga and saw three stunning Arabian Mares, I am still thinking about going back one dark night and stealing one, the only problem is Witch ONE.
I have to confess that only three days before you posted, I found that same photo on the Web and added it to mine, but thank you so much for the info.
Now for those of you that thought that I was gone here is my new one
Name these two Left to Right please
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Bob
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Sadika
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Posted - 11 Jul 2005 : 10:10:05 PM
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Ansata Ibn Halim and his son Ansata Ibn Sudan.
PS I'm almost back in ALines mode - very busy and very HOT show yesterday - have to tie things up and get results sorted then the show can be "put to bed" until 2006!!!! |
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Sadika
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Lynda
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C.J.
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Posted - 11 Jul 2005 : 10:31:14 PM
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Bob
So pleased that you and everyone else is back I was a bit worried that no one else had posted for a few days in case you'd all got fed up!
As Marilyn says, the photo shows Ansata Ibn Sudan (on the left) and his sire Ansata Ibn Halima (on the right) and to answer your question Lynda, Ibn Sudan was bred in the USA but not Ibn Halima - who was bred in Egypt. Ibn Halima was exported to the USA, together with a collection of mares by Donald & Judith Forbis and it is these horses that established their world famous stud - 'Ansata.' One could write pages about Ansata and its achievments but will just add that Sudan was the US National Champion Stallion in 1971. Will stop here as I'm sure Bob would like to add some more information....
Caroline
PS Does anyone else have the 'Abbas Pasha Manuscript' and if so, what do you think of it? |
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BobandEna
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Posted - 12 Jul 2005 : 2:17:39 PM
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Hi Marilyn,
So glad that you had a good show well done and welcome back.
Caroline,
This is a short piece on the Forbis's and some of ther horses, please add to it.
Follow that dream, If you want it go out and find it, If it’s worth having then it’s worth fighting for. We all know these sayings, we understand the meanings behind them, but only a few will ever fulfil there dreams, because lots of things have to come together at the same time and this we call destiny.
In the early 1950’s Donald Forbis, found himself working in Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Bahrein, Iraq, and Egypt, as his work was connected to the oil industry. It was here that he first became interested in Arabians.
In the mid 1950 a young lady found herself in Turkey working for the US State Department, at first glance this feminine looking young lady, looked quiet and small, now looks can be deceiving and Judith was about to show the Turk’s that she was made of strong stuff, for she took the top honours at the Turkish Civilian Championships.
It was in Turkey that Donald and Judith met and married, little did they know that this was Fate and Destiny colliding with such force that it would for ever become part of Arabian Folk Law. They moved to the region previously known as Mesopotamia, between the Tigris and Euphrates Rivers, this was at that time a primitive section where an “eye for an eye” still prevailed. They purchased a four year old mare and a two year old Maneki-bred colt, Donald trained and Judith rode these horses in races, the only woman ever to ride and compete openly against men, this was a Moslem country, where women wore veils, they were frequently stoned for there troubles, but the never gave in, so gradually they gained the respect of the people and by the second year were in demand to train and ride other peoples horses.
Much has been written of the time spent in the desert looking for there dream horses, but it was fate that led them to Egypt and the EAO in particular Nazeer 1934 (Mansour-Bint Samiha) who they first saw in 1959 when Nazeer was 25 years old, as he posed beneath the bright pink bourgainvilla, to the Forbis’s he personified the Classic Arabian and he reminded them that “beauty is its own excuse for being”. The following year Nazeer crossed the rainbow bridge, but he left the Forbis’s with a vision as to the direction they were now to follow.
On inspecting Nazeers 1958 crop, they picked out three, the grey colt Ibn Halima and the two fillies, Bint Mabrouka and Bint Zaafarana, they stood out from the rest and after lots of friendly arm twisting, these three were destine to bring about the renaissance of Egyptian breeding in America
On arriving in the USA they were given the prefix Ansata and with it a chapter in American Arabian horse breeding that would spread out to all corners of the globe in fact it is fair to say Ansata is now held in the same esteem as is Crabbet.
The next few photo’s are not a quiz they are all Ansata but I invite you to tell us in detail about each one
Ansata Ibn Helima (Nazeer x Halima)
Ansata Abu Nazeer 1974(*Ansata Ibn Halima x *Ansata Bint Zaafarana)
Aisha 1985(Ansata Halim Shah-Ghazala),
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Bob
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C.J.
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Posted - 12 Jul 2005 : 7:25:49 PM
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Marilyn, you're not the only one effected by the heat, we're just not used to it are we? Glad you're back and in "ALines mode" - what an apt description!
Thanks Bob for your introduction to the Ansata Stud and for the photographs of some of the horses; I’ve taken up your request of adding a little bit to it.
It was on seeing the Forbis’s early imports that Douglas Marshall, another Arabian breeder, decided to “go Egyptian.” Together with his wife he imported the legendary Morafic who Ansata were to use, in turn, in their own breeding programme – Ansata Shah Zaman (“King of the Age”) being the result of mating full brother (Morafic) to full sister (Ansata Bint Mabrouka). More horses were imported from Egypt including Ansata Bint Bukra, Ansata Bint Misr, Ansata Bint Elwya, Ansata Adeeba, Ansata Bint Sameh, Ansata Bint Misuna and Ansata Bint Nazeer. Babson Egyptian blood was added with one result being the Ansata ‘Nile’ family; horses with this prefix trace to Falima (Ansata Ibn Halima x Fa Habba by Fadl x Bint Bint Sabbah x Sabah). The Ansata stud has gone from strength to strength over the years and they have been instrumental in helping other breeders import horses from Egypt. Perhaps the best known of the more recent horses is Ansata Halim Shah who was leased to Dr Hans Nagel’s stud and without whom we wouldn’t have had Crusader and Al Hakkim to name just two. Ansata celebrated its 40th anniversary in 1998 and the descendants of their original imports can now be found in studs worldwide. Apart from being a noted breeder and judge Judith Forbis has also written a number of books including:
1) Hoofbeats Along the Tigris-Racing Arabian Horses in Turkey (pub. 1970)
2) The Classic Arabian Horse (pub.1976)
3) Authentic Arabian Bloodstock – Vols 1 & 2
4) Ansata Ibn Halima-The Gift (c1998)
5) The Arabian Horse in Egypt-From Antiquity to Present Day and Other Egyptian Articles (pub.1980)
6) The Royal Arabians of Egypt and the Stud of Henry B. Babson (pub. 1976) co-written with Walter Schimanski
7) The Abbas Pasha Manuscript (pub.1993) co-written with Gulsun Sherif
If you haven’t read any of them I do encourage you to, ‘Hoofbeats,’ ‘The Classic Arabian’ and ‘Authentic Bloodstock’ in particular.
Back to you Bob and all our friends on ‘ALines’ to add to the story...
Caroline
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BobandEna
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Posted - 13 Jul 2005 : 12:31:08 AM
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This time this one is the killer
Name the Horses Left to Right
And before you wet your K****** name the riders
Now this should keep you lot happy untill christmas
I should give you a cluebut I'm not
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Bob
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Lynda
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Posted - 13 Jul 2005 : 09:52:18 AM
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OK Bob, no K****** wetting with the horses
They are from left to right Laos, Chazar, Gwarny and Aquinor all at Michalow.
Not a clue with the riders - do you really know who they are
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barb
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Posted - 13 Jul 2005 : 12:27:29 PM
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Espartero, Chazar, Gwarny and Carrador at Michalow.
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