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Vygoda
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United Arab Emirates
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 Posted - 28 Jun 2005 : 5:37:09 PM
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Any more quiz photos anyone though we haven't got the horse in Mike's yet!!
All i can add is that maybe the photo must have been taken before the Royal Agricultural Society (RAS) became the Egytian Agricultural Association (EAO).
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Cate
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Scotland
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Posted - 28 Jun 2005 : 6:27:18 PM
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| Mikes picture is of Michaan, a desert-bred Kuhaylan Ajuz stallion from Saudi Arabia, which was presented by Sheik Fawzan el-Sabek to the R.A.S. He is shown standing in front of the main office building of the stud. Michaan was an outstanding rachehorse. Photo on page 262 The Classic Arabian Horse by Judith Forbis |
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Mike
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Eire
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Posted - 28 Jun 2005 : 6:31:13 PM
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Hi Jane,
Quite correct the photo was taken during the "RAS Days" The horse was leased to the RAS rather than being owned by them if that helps any.
In the meantime, this one was supplied and suggested by "GeorgiaUK", name the horse and more famous daughter. This one should be right up Bob's street!
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Mike
Platinum Member
Eire
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Posted - 28 Jun 2005 : 6:33:16 PM
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Well done Cate!! The horse is Michaan also known as Mashaan According to Forbis, Mashaan was from the El Jibur tribe of the Shammar near Deyr as was his sire. Forbis adds that Mashaan(Michaan) was leased to the RAS after his racing career and was returned to the stud of Prince Faisal in Saudi Arabia.
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C.J.
Silver Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 28 Jun 2005 : 7:03:56 PM
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Mike
I see you have started a separate thread for the ‘seminar’ so I don’t know whether to reply on this one or the new one – confusion! Probably the new one and we’ll keep this for photographs/questions etc??
Jane
Many thanks indeed for offering to hold a seminar at your stud! It sounds marvellous and I’d love to attend. Will e-mail you direct, as suggested, later in the week to see if there is anything I can do to help, ideas etc.
Best wishes
Caroline
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"And God said to the Wind 'Be thou gathered together.' And the wind was gathered together....And he created from a handful of wind a horse of chestnut colour like gold. And God let loose the Swift Runner, and he went on his way neighing."
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C.J.
Silver Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 29 Jun 2005 : 6:33:46 PM
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Am I the only one having problems with this photograph? I've squinted at it on two separate computers now (cos it is a little 'fuzzy' Mike)but no joy so far. Is it too early for a little clue?
Caroline
PS Bob - are you still with us Or maybe you're 'doing time'for doing something you shouldn't inside Buckingham Palace  |
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Mike
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Eire
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Posted - 29 Jun 2005 : 6:48:27 PM
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Caroline, the picture is a little grainey,so just for you a little clue! It seems that you remain rather smitten by a grandson!
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LYNDILOU
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United Kingdom
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Mike
Platinum Member
Eire
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Posted - 29 Jun 2005 : 7:41:32 PM
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Hi Lynda,
It is a mare, but isn't Bint Magidaa!
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barb
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United Kingdom
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Mike
Platinum Member
Eire
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Posted - 30 Jun 2005 : 12:31:08 PM
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No it isn't AK Atallah either! Though the grandson did have a connection with the Maxwell's.
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Vygoda
Platinum Member
United Arab Emirates
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Posted - 30 Jun 2005 : 1:50:41 PM
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MMMMM....... Caroline is rather smitten by a grandson, the grandson has a connection with the Maxwell's. Zebeda by El Sareei x Galila, grandson being El Shaklan. But ... El Sareei and Galila are both bays according to the database and Zebeda is a grey, mistake I think??? In the dam line, there is Uyaima and she is listed as a chestnut but Uyaima's famous daughter is Estopa.
Think I'm completely off track though!!!
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Vygoda
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United Arab Emirates
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Posted - 30 Jun 2005 : 2:00:10 PM
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| But Uyaima is Spanish bred so that's up Bob's street!!???????????? |
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Mike
Platinum Member
Eire
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Posted - 30 Jun 2005 : 2:19:14 PM
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Hi Jane,
Beautifully reasoned out!The horse is Uyaima, dam of Estopa, quite often one finds greys listed by their colour as foals in this case chestnut. It can be rather confusing at times, Galila was actually a grey (born bay and listed as such) whereas her daughter Zebeda is listed with her adult colour of grey. Only in a database can two bays produce grey offspring!!!
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barb
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 30 Jun 2005 : 6:02:27 PM
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oooh, bu--er! I was going to put mummy of Estopa! but when I checked the data source and it said that she was chestnut!!!
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C.J.
Silver Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 30 Jun 2005 : 7:32:06 PM
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Just got in from the 'funny farm' to read the answer; just shows what a difference small mistakes in a database can make though as Mike pointed out this could be due to the foal colour being listed.
How about another little puzzle....this is another three-parter and the questions are:
Who is the horse?
Who is the woman?
What connection does the woman have with the car?
Best wishes
Caroline
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BobandEna
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England
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Posted - 02 Jul 2005 : 08:21:09 AM
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Hi Caroline,
You are correct, the judge put me on remand untill they got to the
BOTTOM of IT
Your Puzzle
The horse is Raseyn
The Gorgius lady is Gladys Brown Edwards
The car is a Dusenburg or a Cord
And was owned by Rudolff Valantino.
Bob
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barb
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 02 Jul 2005 : 10:25:10 AM
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I think the horseis Ferseyn, with Elizabeth Parke Firestone, the car is aFord which used firestone tyres! Mrs Firestone was also a designer and model.
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C.J.
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 02 Jul 2005 : 5:48:36 PM
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Bob
So pleased you’re back as this thread is just not the same without you! Glad the judge was lenient, time now to put the whole sorry tale behind you!
You are absolutely correct with the identification of the horse - Raseyn and the lady is indeed – Gladys Brown Edwards (or Gladys Brown as she was then) the photo was taken at the Kellogg Ranch where she worked as a secretary in either 1935 or 1936 (I’ve seen it credited to both years). Raseyn was a grey stallion bred by the Crabbet Park Stud in 1923. He was the *first son of Skowronek to be exported to the USA (ex Rayya) and had a tremendous influence on the breed and Ferseyn, who Barb mentioned, traces to him.
However, the car is not a Duesenberg or a Cord but a Dodge (c1934/5ish) and here I must make an apology….I knew GBE had sculpted a car mascot of Ralet and that she’d sold the rights to Dodge and I’d mistakenly assumed it was Dodge cars. However, after a bit of in-depth research at work yesterday (the joys of working in a transport museum library) I’d discovered it was Dodge Inc., a trophy company and not the car manufacturers that bought her model (see picture below). Dodge cars always had a charging ram mascot as can be seen on the car in the photo. So my last question is kind of invalid but was interested to see some of the suggestions especially yours Barb about Firestone.
The model of Ralet (Raseyn x Sherlet) shown below was a radiator mascot that Gladys made for her own car later seen by Mr Dodge of the Dodge Trophy Company. Ralet was featured as a liberty jumper at the Kellogg ‘Horse Shows,’ a copy of the programme for July 4 1934 lists him as the 13th act.
Time now for another one of your fiendish puzzles Bob!
Caroline
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Jingo
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 02 Jul 2005 : 8:12:12 PM
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WOW CJ I am just amazed at your knowledge - you must be a very "ELDERLEY" person   Only joking honest honest.
Barb the "baby boy" is going semen collecting at the end of the year - can I give him any tender words |
Jude
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photos:Anthony Reynolds,Sweet,Deano,Real Time Imaging |
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BobandEna
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England
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Posted - 03 Jul 2005 : 12:59:16 AM
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Hi Caroline,
Thanks for the welcome, it's always nice to be wanted The ADSL was down for a few days.
I must say you set some good puzzles, and here is *Ralet*, do you think this was used a a modle for the radiator badge?
My next one is this, the horse may be easy but I want to know it's name and also I would like you all to give me your view's on Arabians with markings.
Photo Sweet
Bob
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barb
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 03 Jul 2005 : 07:53:53 AM
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That is great news Jude, tell him it is a necessery part of him being such a super horse with very smart parentage, and that he must be thinking of a beautiful russian mare at home when they are using that artificial you know what!!
The photo is avery easy one for me Bob because i foaled her down!
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C.J.
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 03 Jul 2005 : 1:13:44 PM
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Bob
Thanks for posting the photo of Ralet. I wouldn't be surprised if GBE has used the same photo (or one similar) of him for her model.
As to your latest puzzle, will leave it to someone else to say 'who it is' but would add that I personally don't discriminate against Arabians with markings such as those shown. I feel it is all part of the breed and its history. (Hopefully Keren will be on line to pick this up as she has done a lot of research on coat patterns such as this). I also don't mind the 'white eye' that some seem to object to - Ghazal had them and was all the more striking for it I thought. Just my humble opinion.
Caroline
PS Do I get any brownie points for saying the photo is taken by the Sweets at Malvern? No? I thought not still its only just over 3 weeks away now and we will all be there once again - yipeeeeeeeeee
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C.J.
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Posted - 03 Jul 2005 : 1:21:32 PM
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Jude
No offence taken! I'm a few years off claiming my zimmer frame yet although watching 'The Who' and 'Pink Floyd' at Live 8 yesterday (all 10 bottom numbing hours of it) made me feel that I was 'getting on a bit' as I remember them first time round....! Not to mention Sgt Pepper etc etc!!!!
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BobandEna
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England
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Posted - 03 Jul 2005 : 8:01:33 PM
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PINK FLOYD
Fantastic 
ROBBY WILLIAMS
Great
THE WHO
A bit disapointing
But I did miss QUEEN
Things will never be the same without FREDDY
Caroline. I'v GOT THE MUSIC IN ME even with the zimmer, I came to bed at 2-30am and Ena was'nt pleased, but it's 20 years to next one and I will knocking on a bit by then.
LOVED IT.
Regards
Bob
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