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Anfi
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barb
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 Posted - 22 Jun 2005 : 07:33:43 AM
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Emperator, by Menes. Shown by Michael Byatt at Scottsdale.
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C.J.
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Posted - 22 Jun 2005 : 2:48:33 PM
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It's EL SHAKLAN photographed in the USA.
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"And God said to the Wind 'Be thou gathered together.' And the wind was gathered together....And he created from a handful of wind a horse of chestnut colour like gold. And God let loose the Swift Runner, and he went on his way neighing."
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BobandEna
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Posted - 22 Jun 2005 : 3:52:19 PM
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Caroline,
Well Done
You have done it again   , I think we are using the same sources, or you have infiltrated my photo albums. 
Could you give a brief resume to those of us that don't know too much about El Shaklan please.
TRY THIS ONE THEN
Name the Two horses
What is the link (if any)?
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Indalo
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BobandEna
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Posted - 22 Jun 2005 : 5:02:30 PM
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Justin,
Well done, do you know the link?
Bob
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Indalo
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Anfi
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Posted - 22 Jun 2005 : 5:14:34 PM
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Bob, do you want more than the fact that one is the dam of the other?
Jane Kadri bought the dam and bred the colt?
Anne
BTW, I would love to hear more about Galop and Mamluk, especially their differences and how they relate to their damlines |
     
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C.J.
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Posted - 22 Jun 2005 : 6:51:27 PM
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Bob
I’m sorry if you think I have ‘infiltrated your photo albums’ but I can assure you that is not the case. As I mentioned in an earlier posting, I had and continue to have a terrific interest in El Shaklan and was fortunate to have one of his daughters on loan for two years before she tragically died from cancer age 4. The picture you posted was used to advertise El Shaklan in Arabian Horse World a number of times so will be familiar to those of us with copies (see Om El Arab advert in May 1985 issue for one example). May I also add that I know there are many others reading this thread who would have probably known the answer to this straight off too – Marilyn and Keren to name just two – both have an ‘encyclopaedic’ knowledge of the Arabian horse and we are all of the same generation who read and absorbed (like sponges!) everything we could find about them.
As for El Shaklan himself, I think most people know the story well enough by now especially as his bloodlines permeate the modern Arabian so I will keep it brief. He was the product of an Egyptian stallion (Shaker El Masri) crossed on a Spanish mare (Estopa) which was considered rather a novelty at the time. He was foaled on August 10th 1975 at Om El Arab, Germany and was on lease to the Maxwell family for a few years before returning to Germany in 1978 following the premature death of his sire. He had an impressive show career in Europe (including the UK) before being exported to the USA in November 1982. He continued his winning ways in the USA before being purchased by Nagib Audi of Brazil in 1985. El Shaklan was terrifically popular at stud siring over 900 live foals before his death on the 8th January 2001. He is regarded by many as a legend in his own time and rightly so.
Best wishes
Caroline
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Jingo
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Posted - 22 Jun 2005 : 10:22:54 PM
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Hi Bob - I was BANNED from answering the mother and son photosWonder who by
The mother - Queen's Topaz (Midnight Gold x Dancing Queen)what a wonderful broodmare she has been for Al Waha. Midnight Gold was British National Champion In Hand and under Saddle. Dancing Queen won Princess Muna Saddle of Honour at British Nationals in 2002.
Queen's Topaz was the dam of Champions Tibr, Thoraya, Tawoos, Tamira, Teeba and of course British National Novice Ridden Champion Toman.
The son Toman (Grand (SU) x Queen's Topaz) photo taken as a 2yr old (I believe)
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egzotyka
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Posted - 22 Jun 2005 : 11:08:45 PM
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| I dont get any of the answers probably because i do not no enough yet but i love reading it all...keep up the good work! I did get.... The Shah one though!...great grandfather to ny gelding. is he bay or black? out of interest..i always thought he was bay but he looked very dark in the pics of him. |
   
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BobandEna
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Posted - 22 Jun 2005 : 11:53:29 PM
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Hi Caroline,
No I didn’t think you had Infiltrated my Albums, what I should have said is who needs a computer or Albums, when we have yourself and the rest of the “A” team, who are better, it was a complement, I do apologise if it came out wrong.
You may remember that Mike posted on pages 6 or 7 about Arabians in films and the “A” team were great, so Try this one.
NAME THE TWO HORSES
NAME THE TWO MEN
WHAT IS THE LINK BETWEEN THESE TWO MEN
Good Luck
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LYNDILOU
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susan hobson
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Posted - 23 Jun 2005 : 7:27:24 PM
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I again don't know the horses, I would also have said buffalo bill, the other one is custer (general I mean)
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Basilisk
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Posted - 24 Jun 2005 : 08:52:57 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by BobandEna
Hi Caroline,
No I didn’t think you had Infiltrated my Albums, what I should have said is who needs a computer or Albums, when we have yourself and the rest of the “A” team, who are better, it was a complement, I do apologise if it came out wrong.
You may remember that Mike posted on pages 6 or 7 about Arabians in films and the “A” team were great, so Try this one.
NAME THE TWO HORSES
NAME THE TWO MEN
WHAT IS THE LINK BETWEEN THESE TWO MEN
Good Luck
The bottom photo is MUSON and William Cody aka 'Buffalo Bill'. I'm *guessing* the top photo is whoever played Cody in the recent movie 'Hidalgo' (I refuse to see the film as the 'baddie' is based on Lady Anne Blunt!).
Regarding THE SHAH, he was a black/brown - very dark but with pangare around the stifle, quarters eyes and muzzle. All my horses trace to him: as said earlier in this thread, he was the horse who really changed the way Arabs looked in the UK, not necessarily by what he sired but simply by the contrast he presented to the heavy Crabbet types of the period. Incidentally, he NEVER sired a chestnut - he is the horse responsible for reintroducing brown and upping the number of bays in the breed in the UK. He was also a useful cross for 'shutting down' sabino pinto: if you don't like excessive white, Babson breeding does the trick!
Caroline has always liked El Shaklan, but on the contrary, he was a horse that left me cold. The Shah, however...well, I have always preferred my men small, dark and sexy with big brown eyes - I'm *so* looking forward to the next series of Dr Who!
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LYNDILOU
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JSA
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Posted - 24 Jun 2005 : 10:48:21 AM
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HI Bob,
The top photo is Ken Maynard ridding Jadaan in a costume copied from Buffalo Bill. Maynard had been a star in BB Wild West Show.
The second horse and rider are as previously stated.
The connection is the Kellog Arabian Ranch which owned both horses.
A little addition to El Shaklan - he spent his final years with Zichy Thyssen Arabians when Nagib Audi closed down. I always wish I had been able to see him in the flesh. I was thrilled to meet his brother Ibn Estopa.
Keren - I had no idea about the film Hidalgo, I haven't seen it but what on earth is it about then?
Jasmin
(PS Jadaan was a bit of a superstar, one of the horses loaned to Hollywood and ridden by Valentino. I dont know if Muson was also a filmstar?) |
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egzotyka
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Posted - 24 Jun 2005 : 11:49:14 AM
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| Thanks for that Basilisk . find all the arabian history really interesting...keep it up! |
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Mike
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Posted - 24 Jun 2005 : 12:19:40 PM
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A couple of aside's, firstly arabs come in all sorts of shapes and sizes and there is nothing wrong in failing to be "gobsmacked" by a horse that everyone else seems to be raving over, there is nothing unusual in a horse (no matter how great) just not having what it takes to set ones individual pulse racing, even when you can see what everyone else is appreciating.
Secondly for the truth behind the movie "Hidalgo" this is a good place to start!
http://www.thelongridersguild.com/hopkins.htm
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JSA
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Posted - 24 Jun 2005 : 12:37:46 PM
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Very good point Mike. We can't all like the same thing. And how boring it would be!
Thnks so much for the Hidalgo link just a had very brief look -there's so much, I think I may be there some time...
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Basilisk
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Posted - 24 Jun 2005 : 1:12:24 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by Mike
A couple of aside's, firstly arabs come in all sorts of shapes and sizes and there is nothing wrong in failing to be "gobsmacked" by a horse that everyone else seems to be raving over, there is nothing unusual in a horse (no matter how great) just not having what it takes to set ones individual pulse racing, even when you can see what everyone else is appreciating.
Secondly for the truth behind the movie "Hidalgo" this is a good place to start!
http://www.thelongridersguild.com/hopkins.htm
Mike
Utterly true, Mike. I know what does it for me and not liking what appeals to others has never bothered me a bit I prefer on the whole the older, more rounded type of Arab and that is why I 'do' Old Egyptian/Old English.
You also beat me to posting the 'Hidalgo' link...as a Virgo and someone who does a lot of research it really winds me up when people say 'oh, it's a true story'!
And Caroline...oh, that's a real tribute, after so many years of thinking I could only be an 'apprentice' to you and Jane F/B!
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Vygoda
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Posted - 25 Jun 2005 : 08:01:01 AM
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If you had told me 5 years ago that i would be breeding to Maleik El Kheil (a son of El Shaklan), I would have just stared at you!! After having 4 foals by him, I'm a believer and in fact, this year doubled on the El Shaklan with the foal due next year: one line in the sire line, one in the dam line in the 3rd generation, the other lines my usual Russian/English.
My very favourite El Shaklan story is about the Maxwell's covering Peter Hall's mare beside the railway line at Kempton Show. From that mating, Peter has Amir El Shaklan in Australia.
Jane
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C.J.
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Posted - 25 Jun 2005 : 09:31:31 AM
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Bob
Thank you for your message. As you know the term ‘photo albums’ can mean the material as opposed to the virtual on Flickr.com which would have a totally different implication……….however, your explanation has cleared up any misunderstandings on that score.
Keren
Yes, I know you never liked El Shaklan but I think you now understand the point I was making? The Shah was indeed a lovely horse and I regret only seeing him the once (and not having a better camera at the time!)
Jasmin
Yes you are quite right; El Shaklan was sold to Count Frederico Zichy Thyssen of Argentina in 1992. My notes were a little too brief in this instance.
Regarding Muson and Jadaan, there is another connection that seems to have been missed – Homer Davenport. He imported Muson (f. 1899 Sire given as a Shueyman Sbah and dam as a Kehilet Muson) who was bred by the Roala Tribe and purchased from Sheykh Sheb Salami. (See My Quest for the Arabian Horse by Homer Davenport, also reprinted as Davenport’s Arabians in 1973) Muson was loaned to Buffalo Bill’s Wild West Show for a one-week appearance at Madison Square Garden in 1907. Jadaan is better known for his 1926 role with Rudolph Valentino in “The Son of the Sheik” but was of Davenport bloodlines. He was by Abbeian x Amran, foaled in 1916 and bred by the Hingham Stock Farm. He was one of the best known of the early horses on the Kellogg Ranch.
Jane
Thanks for your posting which cheered me considerably. Maleik was always one of my favourites and I was most interested to read that you have been using him in your programme. I visited your stud in 1991 on an 'open day' and can still remember all the lovely horses especially the fabulous Gonorar! Please keep us posted on any further developments in your Shaklan x English x Russian breeding programme.
Best wishes
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LYNDILOU
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Posted - 25 Jun 2005 : 09:52:20 AM
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| Does anyone have any information on those beutiful four white arabs used in the making of Ben hur? I remember seeing the film several times just to watch those arabians, as you lot are such smarty pants you can put your grey matter to work. I would have thought they would have been from the gainey lines but I am sure someone will know on here so come on A Team! |
   
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