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ella
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 Posted - 10 Apr 2009 : 12:52:52 PM
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Having read these posts before watching the programme last night I expected much worse than I found.
I dunno - maybe being prepared helps? Or maybe I'm just better desensitised to death through seeing it most days?
I timed the period between tying the mare to the post & stunning with the axe at around 55 seconds. The time of the fatal stabbing to the heart was around 65 seconds. That's a pretty speedy dispatch by any standards. As soon as the mare collapsed & was no longer dangerous to the herders they pounced straight away to dispatch her, which was done with well practiced speed & efficiency.
Although I agree shooting can be better & quicker, there was no chance here of a bodged killing attempt leaving the animal to suffer a truely arduous & painful end.  |
   
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Lanabanana
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Posted - 10 Apr 2009 : 1:53:20 PM
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It wasn't the actual death of the mare which upset me so much, as I said before it was the abject terror the mare showed when she realised what her fate was to be, even the Yakut man said she knew because she had seen the foals die
After all isn't the foxes death at the end of a hunt pretty quick too? but one of the reasons for banning it is the fear and stress the fox suffers during the chase. And yes I do realise that foxes aren't killed for meat, but for sport and that's a whole different argument |
     
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nicolanapper
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Posted - 10 Apr 2009 : 4:11:23 PM
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As much as I hated the killing of that poor mare in what we as Westerners consider barbaric, I would like to make one point.
Most people who are opposed to these Siberian peoples way of life are nothing short of rich westerners (in the eyes of much poorer societies), we indulge our passion for animals and keep them as pets. We dont eat them and they are a huge luxury. But often even that cannot guarantee a perfect life for animals in the West,as we read everyday in the newspapers of cruelty cases.
Those horses in that programme have a more natural life than at least half the horse population in the UK whom are kept stabled for up to 23 hours at day at what we call Livery Yards, but in reality are nothing short of DETENTION CENTRES for rich people to keep their horses, so please get real. I should hate for us to no longer have factual programmes on other communities in the world.
Oh and by the way I thought Mary Whitehouse was opposed to porn on TV, not documentaries.
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CeliaS
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Posted - 10 Apr 2009 : 5:23:10 PM
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I thought the point of the topic was to object to the BBC showing the upsetting and disturbing slaughter of a horse.
I know that this is the way of life for these people and that they dispatch the animals very quickly I am saddened at the BBC needing to show us the scene in graphic detail.
I won't bother to watch any more of these programmes.
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vanishtrik
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Posted - 10 Apr 2009 : 6:06:34 PM
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| what amazes me people complaining about something they haven't seen , there is god knows how many channels of crap on tv but because the BBC shows a documentary that some people find disturbing it gets slated,i found it very interesting but chose not to watch the mare being slaughtered, the thing is you have a button on your tv if you don't like what you see use the button, |
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BabsR
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Posted - 10 Apr 2009 : 6:48:26 PM
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The BBC NEEDS to get slated for showing the graphic slaughter of a terrified horse. Why film any kind of animal slaughter, who REALLY wants to witness such a stomach churning killing in such detail!!!
I didn`t watch.... just reading the description of what went on, has haunted me since. Factual yes......The filmed Slaughter NO!!!! It would have been suffice to explain how, without the sickening filming
of the awful slaying 
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gossy
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Posted - 10 Apr 2009 : 7:32:44 PM
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Well said Babs, and yes you can complain without seeing it, there are other terrible things that i dont need to see and wouldnt watch if it was televised, but i can still complain, and still have an opinion.
As Babs and Celia have pointed out, you dont need to see such horror to know it goes on.
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vanishtrik
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Posted - 10 Apr 2009 : 8:31:23 PM
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| Originally posted by gossy
Well said Babs, and yes you can complain without seeing it, there are other terrible things that i dont need to see and wouldnt watch if it was televised, but i can still complain, and still have an opinion.
As Babs and Celia have pointed out, you dont need to see such horror to know it goes on.
maybe you don't want to see it, but have you thought that through it been shown someone may go out there and show them how to kill humanely, animals get slaughtered its a fact of life, and like you say you can complain but also we have a freedom of choice in this country and just because some people want to watch documentaries like these doesn't make them bad people, i think its because it was a 'horse', nobody seems to complain when they show tribes sacrificing goats and other animals |
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mittens
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Posted - 10 Apr 2009 : 8:45:39 PM
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| I would feel the same whatever animal was shown. I was equally shocked when I saw Apocolypse Now when the calf was slaughtered and only coped with that (from behind a cushion asking when it was over)because I thought it was a "stunt calf" made of rubber or whatever they use. Later investigation proved that to be real too as apparently everyone went slightly mad on set. I know I'm off on a tangent,merely pointing out that the upset isn't purely because we own and love our horses. |
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CeliaS
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gossy
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Posted - 10 Apr 2009 : 8:57:02 PM
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maybe you don't want to see it, but have you thought that through it been shown someone may go out there and show them how to kill humanely, animals get slaughtered its a fact of life, and like you say you can complain but also we have a freedom of choice in this country and just because some people want to watch documentaries like these doesn't make them bad people, i think its because it was a 'horse', nobody seems to complain when they show tribes sacrificing goats and other animals
The reporter could of protested and advised them how to do it humanely, they are not going to change their ways that easily are they!!
I can assure you that i would complain no matter what animal it was! |
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CeliaS
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Posted - 10 Apr 2009 : 9:35:22 PM
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Gossy wrote:-
"I can assure you that i would complain no matter what animal it was!"
Gossy,I echo your sentiment here.
The BBC have told me that for the herders of Siberia:-
'these animals are reared, slaughtered and eaten and it's important
that the information surrounding these processes is addressed in the context of this instalment of the programme.'
They also say that:-
'The audience logs are seen as important documents that can help shape decisions about future programming and content.'
So therefore if you feel strongly about something let them know. We pay the licence fee so ought to be able to voice an opinion about what we want to watch.
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Annette
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Posted - 10 Apr 2009 : 10:17:03 PM
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| The old saying that people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones springs to my mind. I watched, and enjoyed the documentary. Yes the death of the mare was horrible to watch, but her suffering was over in a minute. End of. How much different to the suffering imposed on so many animals in this country, animals who endure months and sometimes years of suffering, both mental and physical. We have all seen the pictures of these unfortunate creatures. THESE are the ones which haunt me. The callous cruelty meted out by people living in a so called more advanced society appals me more than I can put into words.These are the issues that we should all be getting hot under the collar about, not a documentary showing the relatively quick death of horse. |
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Posted - 11 Apr 2009 : 08:36:10 AM
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| After agree with Ella,Annette,Vanishtrik on this one.... they said that their was a possibility that the mare might no her fate, not that she did |
    
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vanishtrik
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Posted - 11 Apr 2009 : 11:33:56 AM
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gossy
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Posted - 11 Apr 2009 : 7:16:26 PM
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| sorry,dont agree and never will,it should never of been shown. |
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Vera
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Posted - 11 Apr 2009 : 7:45:47 PM
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I don't agree - Things like this should be shown otherwise how are people to know what goes on. Even with a vivid imagination one doesn't get the true horror unless one see's it for themselves.
People should be able to choose.
I certainly had no idea that these people even existed - BUT the programmes should have appropriate warnings. I know they issued a warning at the beginning but people who didn't see the beginning would have no idea (like Lanabanana), they should have at least issued the warning again when the last segment was aired. |
    
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mittens
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Posted - 11 Apr 2009 : 10:51:49 PM
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Right. I was so sick of people going on about everyone who hasnt actually seen it and felt that we had no right to complain etc that I HAVE just watched it through closed ish eyes.And |I agree with evryone that thought it awful. lets see what tuesday brings, what ******* will be accepted then for the sake of traditiion????
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