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sammie_85
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 Posted - 04 Feb 2009 : 3:54:11 PM
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| Many thanks for your reply. As far as I know, King has mainly sired TBxwarmblood types, unless of course some other unknowns like me have taken their Arabs there, and most have been successful as sport horses. I was looking at breeding her with another Arab as there is a 100% Crabbet nearby but decided on the cross breed as more scope (i have ridden dressage nearly all my life). King's son (TBxWB) who is also standing at the same stud looked a possibility but he has come out as Kings smallest ever (to make 15.2) and I was worried about the height of the resulting foal. Therefore, I am hoping King can produce bigger. Angel is 15.2 herself so hopefully will get some height from her too! I am new to this as this will be the first mare i put in foal! |
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BabsR
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Posted - 04 Feb 2009 : 5:27:16 PM
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Hi again.....is your mare a maiden?? If so, quite often, first foals can be smaller than subsequent foals to the same mating. We have experienced this fact, quite often. Not trying to dampen your enthusiasm. Ask if his 15.2 offspring was a foal from a maiden.
Kings Composer is a super stallion and trust the extra height will come through in your foal 
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sammie_85
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Posted - 05 Feb 2009 : 09:20:32 AM
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Hi. She is a maiden. Kings smallest was from a maiden as well and her subsequent offspring are bigger. However, King has covered smaller maidens before and produced in the region of 16h+.
She's all booked in now to go in April so I guess I just hope for the best and get a wonderful baby from them! |
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BabsR
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Posted - 05 Feb 2009 : 10:38:41 AM
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Go for it girl........hopefully she will at least have a foal not smaller than herself. Should be a good one.......Pleased you are going for an Anglo Arab...Love them !! Enjoy
Babs
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Chris James
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 05 Feb 2009 : 6:58:29 PM
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Yes, Kings Composer looks like a classic TB 'sports horse' producer. A lovely Anglo sire I would think.
Really exciting - perhaps I've missed it? - but it takes two? we have no info on the mare - breeding/competition - results/form & her size/type/height(just re-read she's 15.2hh- excellent!) Pedigree - please could we have some more info (photo?) - so that we can dream along with you as to the resulting baby?
I hope all goes well,
best,
C. |
Chris James
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Hazel Cornes
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 05 Feb 2009 : 7:47:30 PM
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I have copied the dates which are now displayed on the BEF Futurity website for the 2009 Young Horse Evaluations. Due to demand there are some additional venues and it is expected to be very popular yet again.
21-Jul The Grange, Okehampton
23-Jul College EC, Keysoe, Bedford
28-Jul Plumpton College, East Sussex
30-Jul Arena UK, Grantham
04-Aug Myerscough College, Preston
06-Aug Sunnybank, Caerphilly
11-Aug Richmond EC, Yorks
13-Aug Heart of England, Stafford
18-Aug Catherston Stud, Hampshire
20-Aug Solihull RC, West Midlands
25-Aug Fountain EC, Aberdeen
27-Aug Tall Trees EC, Cornwall
There is certainly no predudice against AA, PBA or Pure bred horses and ponies, in fact quite the contrary. All horses and ponies are evaluated for their suitability for Dressage, Show Jumping and Eventing. For those with Sport AA, PBA & Pure bred youngstock that they have not sold, I think it would be an excellent show case. |
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DenmoorStud
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Posted - 05 Feb 2009 : 11:20:43 PM
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I think we should make an effort to fly the flag, and show them just what they missing in the Sport Horse world.
We need to make sure that we are represented at all the venues, I am quite sure it can be done. Lets get to it!!
Thankyou for posting Hazel |
   
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sammie_85
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Posted - 06 Feb 2009 : 12:22:20 PM
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Chris.
Sorry, at first I was only asking if anyone knew of the stallion.
Gave a couple of details about angel but not much. not had her long and she can be a bit of a pain sometimes, hence breeding from her to get something a bit more "flexible". She has not done a lot really but I think she does have the potential. I think she may have shown as a youngster but have no idea of how well she did as her previous owner did not really know a lot and had the money so bought a nice looking horse. First foal for her. She is high 90% crabbet.
anything else you want to ask?
pedigree - http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/wrenwood+zerrafin
Not many good photos I am afraid. have found what i can.
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BabsR
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Posted - 06 Feb 2009 : 12:34:13 PM
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Hi...Looking at the pics of your mare....she is absolutely the right `sort` of Arabian to breed a Performance Anglo....good old crabbet bloodlines on both side of her pedigree. Like her `make and shape` ...if I had to nitpick..would like to see a stronger hind leg, but no such thing as the `perfect` horse and methinks there is no reason why you will not get a very useful Anglo by using `King`..he is really powerful, behind the saddle
Most interested to see what she produces. You have certainly made the right decision to cover her with a good Thoroughbred
Keep us updated, will follow this through.
Babs
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sammie_85
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Posted - 06 Feb 2009 : 12:39:50 PM
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| Thank you for that Babs. I certainly will do. I just want it to happen now though! |
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nn
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Posted - 06 Feb 2009 : 12:41:40 PM
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Thanks hazel for the list.
I will be taking my mob to the BEF at college as it is 10 mins up the road for me!!!!!
Took both my PBA boys when they were younger.
So that will be the arab blood represented at that venue!
My PBA premium stallion will be at the PSHB parade at Arena Uk as well!
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sammie_85
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Posted - 06 Feb 2009 : 12:44:02 PM
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| As for the stronger hind leg - sorry for my ignorance - is this not something that can be corrected with work or do you mean conformation wise? That photo was taken about a month after i got her and so maybe an improvement now? |
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DenmoorStud
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Posted - 06 Feb 2009 : 12:58:33 PM
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| Questions are always welcome, it is the best way to learn., and Babs I am sure will be very happy to oblige. |
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BabsR
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Posted - 06 Feb 2009 : 2:11:33 PM
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Sammie...please don`t worry too much, My own personal opinion only. It may well be photo at a bad angle ??....but to my eye, she seems a little lacking in depth of hock and would like to have seen a slightly more pronounced first and second thigh.
Breeding is a great challenge, always setting out to produce the most perfect foal which I feel should be the ultimate aim. Am pretty sure your mare will produce a goodlooking all round competition Anglo with a pedigree steeped in good performance bloodlines.
Cheers Babs
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sammie_85
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Posted - 06 Feb 2009 : 2:56:37 PM
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| That’s ok, I was just asking really. I do not know much about this sort of thing and was just curious. |
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Chris James
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Posted - 06 Feb 2009 : 3:40:20 PM
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Thanks for the photos Sammie - she looks really nice with a good front and nice short canons. She has the depth and substance to make a good broodmare and at 15.2hh should throw you a good sized Anglo foal (though a mare's first foal are often the smallest)
Here's hoping all goes well - please let us know how you/she go on. |
Chris James
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DenmoorStud
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Posted - 06 Feb 2009 : 7:42:13 PM
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Nice riding type should breed a very useful performance horse. Perhaps we can persuade you to use one of the Elite
Nasta performance tested AHS Premium Stallions next time. |
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Maramoo
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England
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Posted - 06 Feb 2009 : 8:05:10 PM
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Good luck Sammie - looks like you should get a super foal. Babs is a font of knowledge and is great (and rare) in that she will always give you an honest opinion and sensible advice. We are lucky to own a Sunray anglo and she is wonderful |
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templars
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England
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Posted - 07 Feb 2009 : 10:30:38 AM
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We've been in touch with BEF and we will be taking a pure bred yearling filly (96% Crabbet) and a part bred 3 year old colt (75% Arab 25% Cleveland Bay). BEF have been so supportive and encouraging and we just want to see how our youngstock will compare to other "more fashionable" breeding (ie warmblood)
And, we have be so, so lucky to find the Anglo that we wanted (thank you to everyone who offered horses to us). We have bought the Anglo Arab, Heron de la Forge. A world class eventing horse who has represented France and Italy and who has competed at 3* events, qualified for Badminton and come 2nd at the World Cup Championship at Barroca. In 2007, he was ranked higher than many British top eventers.
Here's a photo of Heron with his previous owner:
Heron was one of the Anglo Arabs selected to assess Anglo Arabs as eventers. Here's the findings
2007 Rankings
World Breeder Federation Studbook Rankings
The World Breeder Federation for Sport Horses (WBFSH) posted its Studbook ranking for 2006 in FEI Dressage, Showjumping and Eventing. The Anglo-Arabians ranked Fifth in Eventing and 24th in Jumping.
The Anglos that garnered the prestigious Fifth Placing in Eventing were : Fachoudette (FRA), Kiutys (FRA), Zigarru (ITA), Heron de la Forge (FRA), Gadget de la Cere (FRA) and Tatchou (FRA).
In 2008 the placing improved:
Anglos Ranked Second Worldwide
The Anglo-Arabian has been ranked second in the worldwide standings for Eventing by the WBFSH for the first 6 months of the competition year (Oct. 07- Mar 08). The Top six ranked horses are: DIAMANT DU PONTET, 46.17% Arabian (by Sirio*HN); HYANIE D'AUBRIE, 39.47% Arabian (by Jalienny); KALINE DE DUN, 35.31% Arabian (by Primo d'Or); KHANJER BLACK, 56.47% Arabian (by Khanjer Joli); JACKSON D'ALLEZ, 36.75% Arabian (by Tcherkou) and HOLLYWOOD INN, 38.59% Arabian (by Ultan).
I've bred my core of Old English/Crabbets and 2009, we have selected the mares that we will put to TB performance stallions.
In 2009, Evie has a string of 5 horses eventing:
The Arabian bred horses:
The beautiful and talented Taragun: 14.2 pure Arabian mare (due to retire in summer, to be put in foal)
The neat and nimble Nancy(Twist Hoeves Nancy): 14.2 part bred Arabian mare (40% Arabian, 40% Welsh, 20% TB)
The magnificent and mind blowing Heron de la Forge: 16.3 Anglo Arab gelding (42% Arabian, 58% TB)
and the non Arab breeding:
Bubblegum: 14.2 7/8 TB mare by Welton Apollo
Feathers McGraw: 16.1 TB gelding, full brother to Shaabrak
We'll carry on flying the flag for Arabians
ps, we also hope to be bringing out Harley to event this year: Templars Orchestral Pearl, 99.9% Crabbet stallion
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DenmoorStud
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Posted - 07 Feb 2009 : 10:58:04 AM
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Which venue will you be attending with your younstock, as we will be out this year with Hale Bop Stock.
We need to clone Evie, Good Luck for the year ahead.
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templars
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Posted - 07 Feb 2009 : 11:51:29 AM
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Hi Denise
There are more and more young riders competing in the NW on Arabs and part breds at Pony Club.
I've told every single one that we've seen, to contact the AHS and I've given them this web site so they can start letting people know what they're doing.
There are 3 cracking pure breds that we know and a brilliant part bred that we've seen.
I'm keeping a list of names so I can check on results, and I'll let you know how they are doing
As for BEF - we'll probably do Richmond but not quite sure yet
We're certainly going to be busy this year - it's Evie's big push to move into JRN and maybe even try a 1* but hey ho, anything can happen with eventing so it's best not to make plans that are too firm!! |
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templars
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Posted - 07 Feb 2009 : 11:55:00 AM
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just noticed your Irish setter in your signature. What a massive co-incidence, Evie has wanted an Irish setter for ages and she's just got a wonderul pup, Aesop (or sloppy, soppy, Setter dog as we call him). He's just the best!!
..and I've just got a Gordon Setter, Sybil. |
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templars
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Posted - 07 Feb 2009 : 12:01:35 PM
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Sorry about another posting - my mind is all over the place today.
We sponsor Thornton Watlass BE event (in August) and this year, as well as sponsoring a section, we're going to be giving a special prize to the highest placed Pure, Part or Anglo Arab in each section. We're also going to suggest a special prize to the highest first timer in each section as an encouragement to owners with Arabian blood horses to "have a go"
Maybe other people could suggest a special rosette at their local event. You wouldn't have to sponsor a section, just contact the organiser and suggest the special rosette. The only other effort you may have to offer is to check that the horses that say that are eligible, really are.
Or, what about a special rosette to the highest pure, part or anglo at the Pony Club Championships (Novice, Intermediate and Open) covering dressage, show jumping and eventing. Just a thought? |
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Micky
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Posted - 07 Feb 2009 : 12:22:54 PM
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| Many congrats on your purchase of an Anglo, and wish you every success. Is he a French Anglo? If so, is he section 1 or section 11? Would be very interested to know. |
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BabsR
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