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DenmoorStud
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 Posted - 31 Jan 2009 : 2:46:35 PM
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Just wondering how breeders are fairing,in the current financial climate. How many of us have young horses that have been schooled to a high standard and are ready for the competition market, are we going to reep the benefit of our labours, if the answer is no, what are we prepared to do about it?
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applause
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England
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Posted - 31 Jan 2009 : 5:24:48 PM
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| What can we do about it? Have a smashing anglo gelding sat in a field ought to be starting basics with him now really. But do people want them unbroken or broken you can bet your bottom dollar when it comes to selling them everyone will want the opposite to waht you have done. |
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vjc
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 31 Jan 2009 : 6:07:34 PM
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| I think it is a very worrying time for all breeders at the moment, but especially sport and competition horses because unlike show stock most serious buyers looking for competition horses only want one ready to break, or just broken and up and running so to speak! so after many years of cost raising a youngster do you spend even more sending it away to be broken then find you still cannot find a buyer, or advertise a year before it is ready to be ridden and hope to find the right home. We are spending way to much inporting horses when we have such good homebred talent in this country, yes there are good horses imported but we need to keep a balance, and in my view you cannot beat a big partbred/A.Arab sports horse! |
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Linette
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Posted - 31 Jan 2009 : 7:26:57 PM
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As a would-be buyer, I would love to find a PB or AA for competition, it is finding one for sale that has been my problem. Anyone out there with a quality backed 5-9 yo, 15.3 - 16.3hh then plese let me know, particularly one that has been "schooled to a high standard" to quote the OP! And yes, I have a decent budget!
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BabsR
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England
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Posted - 31 Jan 2009 : 8:27:00 PM
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Anglo Arabs are like hens teeth to find, particularly if they are top class, good sized and with the make, shape, and action to be able to `perform` in a variety of ridden disciplines.
After four decades of breeding Anglos, we have always been very lucky to place our youngstock as weaned foals, or yearlings. Only occasionally do we have 3 or 4yr olds available.
Over the last few years and as OH and myself, now getting rather long in the tooth, we only breed one foal each year. Hopefully, the downturn in the economy, should not have a devastating effect on us, meaning we are able to `run on` one or two youngsters, for the future
It is our policy not to break and school under saddle, as most experienced folk, like to do this `job` themselves.
Breeders really do have to grit their teeth and cut back on breeding programmes, until the upturn comes around again
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kirsty
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 01 Feb 2009 : 12:05:51 AM
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Not tried sellling any of my youngstock as keeping them for myself but have had substantial interest from the eventing world for my Stallion Yawl Hillbilly who will be eventing this season with top young rider Aaron Millar as well as endurancing with me
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BabsR
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England
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Posted - 01 Feb 2009 : 10:26:38 AM
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Hi Kirsty....is your boy an Anglo Arab? There are so few Anglo Stallions at stud. How is he bred? Is he a young stallion? Do have our own homebred stallions, but always interested in outcross Anglo bloodlines.
Babs
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kirsty
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 01 Feb 2009 : 11:06:29 AM
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Hi Babs
Sadly he is only registered as a PBA as his mum isn't fully registered as tb (even though she is she is reg as 7/8) Yes he is young he is homebred and 6 yo we hope to get him Nasta graded this year and he will event with Aaron and Endurance with me. I will try to upload some photos of him later not sure if I'm able as only on mobile broadband at moment as in hospital!! he is getting a lot of Interest when he is out with Aaron who is a high profile young rider(Mary King was asking lots of questions last week)
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kirsty
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Posted - 01 Feb 2009 : 11:58:12 AM
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Hi Photos as promised
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DenmoorStud
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Posted - 01 Feb 2009 : 1:37:54 PM
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| I was hoping that this thread would open up discussion, I have not indulged in self promotion and would ask others not to do so. Let us promote the Arabian Sport Horse AA and Partbred as the way forward, united we have a good chance of achieving this, we all have an important part to play please do not lose sight of what could be a very exciting prospect. |
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pintoarabian
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BabsR
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England
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Posted - 01 Feb 2009 : 5:24:14 PM
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Me neither.....nothing for sale, but always interested in any new Anglo Arab stallion and their bloodlines. Performance is what it is all about, as feel all horses bred, should be able to go out and do a job of work. Showing, after all, is usually only a short lived career, with fashions regularly changing.
Agree with vjc, far too many horses being imported when this Country can boast some of the best Competition bloodlines, in the World!!! Thoroughbred, Pure/Anglo/Part Bred Arabs, not forgetting the Natives of the British Isles.
Can only hope Owners, will set out to prove this, and support any Pure/Anglo/Part Bred Arab Performance Competitions.......the proof of the pudding. Come on, get your horses out there as quite sure there are many more potential Tamarillo`s, waiting for their chance.
The Pure Arab, possibly mainly biased against, due to lack of height, may probably struggle to convince the serious Event/Dressage/Show Jumping fraternity, that Pure Arab is the preferable choice and think however successful....will they really ever, convert the many.
Anglos and Part Breds, with their extra size...stand a slightly better chance with the anti-arabites. There are very many out there, in all sheres of equestrianism and very successful too. Unfortunately, owners/riders in Open Competition prefer not to mention the Arab influence, therefore `no promotion` for the breed!!
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Scarlet Arabian
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England
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Posted - 01 Feb 2009 : 6:41:06 PM
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i think many people with good horses are just going to wait and see .
with the foals i have coming this year (we have one anglo filly this year so far, hope they are all fillys!!)i shall most likely not recover for the following year most of the mares,so that i know then i have enough food/grazing/hay etc to hold on to this years foals and may be bring some on though until the market settles again.
i agree with vjc and babsr alot of horses are imported and there can be just as good found in UK breeding,
we are just not very good at promoting our selves.
the Arabian influence is often not mentioned in sport horse breeding.
plus not many(if any i know of) enter pure breds for sport horse grading.
plus with the present economic climate will not want to pay the high price to grade this way to get what at the end of it.
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weirton
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Posted - 01 Feb 2009 : 8:28:29 PM
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DenmoorStud
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Posted - 01 Feb 2009 : 9:02:28 PM
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| The question I would like to ask, is why are people importing. We are all in agreement that we possess, the bloodlines required to breed superb performance horses, and the expertise, reading the postings on here so far makes that quite apparent, so where are we going wrong? |
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Avonbrook
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Posted - 01 Feb 2009 : 9:11:48 PM
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I have two 3 year old part-bred geldings, one from a near-TB mare and one from a heavier British Warmblood mare that we are keeping to ride ourselves. They are both 16hh+ and good athletic types, and I have wondered whether to produce them for the BEF gradings this summer. The yearling colt that I had such fun with last November  is still with me, unsurprisingly in the current financial climate. That is fine and he may well stay for some years yet. I have a full sibling due this year and am not planning to put the mare back in foal this time. So, no I don't particularly expect any return any time soon. Looks like I completely mistimed the investment in grading the stallion - but such is life, it was fun to do and he is young yet!
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BabsR
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Posted - 01 Feb 2009 : 10:22:30 PM
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Cant give an answer on that score.....and can only really speak for Anglos in MHO the Show/Competition horse par excellence.
HOWEVER, this `must have it now`, `must do it now`, `cant wait, want to win now` attitude, may well be the reason why buyers are choosing continental `warmbloods` as they are probably commercially, easier to produce, being more tolerant of all these new fangled quick fix gadgets, which forces these unnatural overbent postures, often seen in dressage arena these days 
The Anglo, and indeed Thoroughbred and Pure Arab, cannot be forced or rushed. They are highly sensitive and intelligent and do require a rider who appreciates this quality. All the time and patience reaps the rewards, and once fully trained and schooled, can be equated to
driving a sports car with the comfort of a rolls royce.
Sorry, not for me the Warmbloods, but each to their own. Would be a very boring World if we all liked the same things in life.
Its Anglos for me, always has been, always will be...thats my choice
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BabsR
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Posted - 02 Feb 2009 : 01:37:11 AM
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Just wondered....Pure/Anglo/PBA NASTA tested and graded. Can the Owners positively say, that by bearing the expense and hard work to train their stallions, and achieve a good grading, has same attracted
more mares, than before they were graded ??
Has the expense proved financially worthwhile ??
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DenmoorStud
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Posted - 02 Feb 2009 : 10:46:49 AM
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I would say in the short term, perhaps not or if the Stallion is only to be used for the production of show stock.
How ever some of us have a more long term view, and are well aware that this is a criteria that needs to addressed, if we are to compete in the market place along side our European counterparts. We really must move with the times an
ungraded Stallion IMO has no place standing as a Sport Horse Stallion, as I need to know where his strengths lie.
The National Stallion Performance Test marks are displayed for all to see. I would also like to point out that the
AHS has taken the lead as no other British Soc is prepared to rule that their Stallions Perform this test. This will help any mare owner to make a choice which with the no. of Stallions standing can only be of help |
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BabsR
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Posted - 02 Feb 2009 : 10:56:12 AM
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Some years ago, in an endeavor to help promote the Anglo/PBA as a Sporthorse, I set about introducing a Show, specifically aimed at Anglo and Part Bred Arabs. Designed a Show Logo and worked on and produced a Draft Schedule, advertised in Horse & Hound, AHS News etc etc. Contacted AHS and asked, would they consider Sponsorship....you guessed.....NO!!
This was the Logo I designed 
Have to say, was very disappointed with the lack of response, as my research indicated there was a need for such a Show...So, Shelved my project 
Well, eight years on, and hopefully Anglo/PBA Breeders/Owners/Riders, are more keen to get out and prove their horses, particularly in open competition and will be proud to promote the Arab influence
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Hazel Cornes
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 02 Feb 2009 : 12:29:58 PM
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BD,BE,BSJA all have classes for and to encourage young horses whatever the breed. They all compete on a level playing field, if the AA/PBAs are good enough they will and are doing well.
Having said that I do think Babs your idea of a show would be great for those AA/PBA riders who need some encouragement in going for affiliated disciplines. Without the encouragement & knowledge of AHS members - Chris James, Jan Carter & Margaret Lloyd our family wouldn't have progressed. Never did any of the BD & BSJA trainers have anything adverse to say about the breed their performance spoke for itself.
I think the BEF Futurity is the way forward for youngsters and it is already seeing positive results. The BEF is there to find and acknowledge performance bloodlines whatever the breed, they really don't have a problem with arabs.
I am at the moment looking for Performance Stallions for my pony broodmares and I would like an input of arab blood. It would be so good if the AA/PBA Performance Stallion owners had one website to advertise with a link, AL would be a start! This topic has brought Yawl Hillbilly to my attention - thank you. |
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nn
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Posted - 02 Feb 2009 : 1:02:45 PM
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Denmoor there is always a market for a good horse no matter how its bred!So join the rest of us and compete your youngstock and stuff the warmbloods!!Beat them at their own game!
Babs i have to agree with you about the premium scheme not making much difference to your stallions mare numbers.
Hazel there is a show that ran for the first time last year for the performance arab. It is running again this year and has classes for dressage, jumping a mini ODE and sports horse. We were lucky enough to win the high points with our young stallion and it was a very good day! Well organised just missing a few more arabs!!!!!!!!So eveyone with a arab/AA/PBA should support this great show.
My PBA stallion is NASTA performance tested and now a premium stallion.
Cant say it makes any difference to the people who use him and the same can be said of Fairlyn Gemini!I went down the SHB route with him and graded him trakehnr, and he still only seemed to attract the people breeding show stock!
Dispite the fact that his offspring had good BD/eventing records and he has sired some very good showjumpers.Its only now that he is dead that we seem to send semen out to the competition people!
How ever i still think that that is down to the fact that the AHS dont promote the premium scheme that the stallions on it dont get the recognition they deserve.
My stallion is elgiable to grade as a BWB and as a trakehner so i think it is that route we will go down.
We compete him in dressage and he evented last season.No one belives he is a PBA and just persume that he is a "Warmblood" i am always quick to point out his arab blood!
He hasnt been shown since he was two but we hope to do a bit this year, along with his dressage.
Like Babs i only breed one AA a year in the past we would have six or seven and they would sell for good money at weaning.
I have one AA filly to sell and despite the fact that she is dual papered (full pink trakehenr papers) is show quality and should go on to make a top class dressage horse i cant sell her!I am not asking silly money but on the other hand i wont give her away!
There is still a lot of people who the word "arab" sends a shiver down there spine and it is up to us as owners and breeders to prove them wrong.There is a good article in the Horse deals magazine this month about arabs and it lists the ones that have done well at the Olympics ETC.Lets hope that helps a little to show people what we have got!
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sammie_85
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Posted - 03 Feb 2009 : 12:02:29 PM
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| My Arab Mare is going to Kings Composer (TB) this spring. Does anyone know about him? They are both well bred (Angel being high 90s Crabbet) and Im hoping to get a good anglo out of her. |
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BabsR
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Posted - 03 Feb 2009 : 3:38:19 PM
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Hi Sammie_85 Have just been asked same question by Denmore stud??
have given a response on AHS Premium Scheme Thread today.
Can only add to that...as your mare is mostly Crabbet bred, likely to have a strong foal. It would certainly be a good idea to check if Kings Composer has covered Pure Arab Mares, and what have the resulting foals been like........do they have piccies of his Anglo (if any) progeny, which will give you an idea of the likely result
should you decide to use him. Good Luck
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DenmoorStud
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Posted - 03 Feb 2009 : 4:23:37 PM
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| Have just Googled Kings Composer, it looks as though you have been doing your homework, and will be an extremely useful addition to bring into the AA Studbook for Performance lines. |
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weirton
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Posted - 03 Feb 2009 : 5:42:55 PM
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Hi Denmoor,
I've been following this thread with interest and have to ask, as I don't know much about King's Composer except he has bred successful show stock, what you found to suggest him as a good performance sire. Was it bloodlines or successful progeny? It is always useful to know of another possible stallion as good ones are relatively scarce. |
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