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bevlets
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 Posted - 18 Jan 2009 : 7:58:18 PM
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just herd we have to pay 85 per horse to compete in hoys classes this is making it even more exspensive for every one god i recon entries will go down with this
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Sadika
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Posted - 18 Jan 2009 : 8:11:33 PM
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Lots been said about this already - have a look at previous threads ...
please note the fee is payable if you want to go to HOYs should you qualify - you can still enter the HOYS qualifying classes with no card. |
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carla lala
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 18 Jan 2009 : 8:13:54 PM
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| yes have heard , but hoys does not pay for its self , the time at nec for the ring , costs money and if we want the slot we have to pay for it. |
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bevlets
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Posted - 18 Jan 2009 : 8:19:24 PM
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i agree with it but it will make it hard for alot to afford the ticket and entries my clients pay for there own horses so am not bothered i feel for the less fortunate than me as entries were down last year they dont want to go down anymore
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pat ww
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Posted - 18 Jan 2009 : 9:22:50 PM
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HOYS is run as a business for profit. They charge the AHS a huge sum of money for the privilege of a very short time in the rings. the charitable staus - plus the cost per indidual competitor - means that this cannot be funded directly from the AHS, hence the £85 cards.
It will become more elite as the talented newcomer /amateur who does not have £85 to gamble on securing a qualifying place choose not to enter.
so more elite, standards may not be as high as they could, due to loss of some competitors, everyone paying more
how can there be any winners in this situation - except for the business that runs HOYS. |
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lehla
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 18 Jan 2009 : 9:31:40 PM
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| hi does that mean you only buy a card if you manage to qualify or you have to buy one and hope to god you qualify lehla |
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pat ww
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Posted - 18 Jan 2009 : 9:41:27 PM
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| card first, then go to show, hope to qualify |
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Roseanne
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 18 Jan 2009 : 9:50:27 PM
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I've always thought this a bit of a strange one.
A few years ago, we were all discussing the levy paid on HOYS classes because the organisers demanded a fee for putting on the show, and we all paid a hefty extra for the privilege of entering a HOYS class. They got the cash whether or not the entered horse was forward. Now it seems they are wanting not only the levy but an extra fee from the AHS as well?
It would be good to know what the HOYS finances look like!
No criticism of the AHS here; they are being asked for the fees and I am in no doubt that the Arab breed must pay somehow for its most high-profile excursion. It's a wonderful advert for the breed.
The attendance income at HOYS is phenomenal. I wonder how much the annual levies are from each breed/section. Someone's laughing all the way to the (sibsidised) bank. I am just interested to know the figures... |
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maeander09
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Posted - 18 Jan 2009 : 9:53:13 PM
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its my dream to one day go to hoys, but from my point of view i have 2 horses and a very low income, i show 2 of my horses and its a struggle to pay for entries, i have to save through out the winter, so therefore i simply could not afford 85 pound for a qualifying card, and there are a lot of people in the same boat therefore its making it impossible for true amateurs to stand a chance |
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Sadika
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Merlin
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 19 Jan 2009 : 8:19:45 PM
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| I have to agree with previous comments, this appears to me to be the final nail in the coffin for amateurs. We have come so close on two previous occasions to qualifying, and after a year on the back burner due to a shoulder operation, we hoped to really train hard this year to try and get a ticket. Travel costs alone limited us to the number of qualifying shows we could attend, but the addition of a further £85-£100 to add the those costs has just now shattered the dream completely. This on top of a skiing accident at Xmas which has left me with metal screws and plates in the shoulder I had just had rebuild early last year has not given me the best new year start I could have hoped for. (Sorry for the whinge but really disapointed for all those amateurs out there!) |
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hurstpark
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Posted - 19 Jan 2009 : 8:35:43 PM
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Hi i have tried contacting the AHS by email but have had no responce as i would like to get mine before they go up to £100 as i cant really afford the £85 let alone £100 does any one know how we get hold of the tickets????
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azeer
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Posted - 19 Jan 2009 : 9:56:32 PM
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| I spoke to Elaine Mann who said to send a request to Windsor house and then a card will be sent to you. |
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NPA Arabians
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Posted - 19 Jan 2009 : 10:52:55 PM
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Sally is right - to apply for a card -
Send a cheque for £85 made payable to the ARAB HORSE SOCIETY, along with -
Owners Name (& AHS Membership no - "if AHS member")
Horses Full registered Name (& a copy of both sides of the registration certificate)
Cards will be available from the end of this month.
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Silvern_Scepris
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Posted - 20 Jan 2009 : 08:48:51 AM
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Owners Name (& AHS Membership no)
Does this now mean you have to be a member of the AHS in order to compete in HOYS classes now too?? |
  
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emma
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Posted - 20 Jan 2009 : 09:26:48 AM
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| My thoughts exactly: yes the horse has always had to be registered with the AHS but i dont recall the owner needing to be a memeber as well. |
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cazza
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Vicki M
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Posted - 20 Jan 2009 : 12:31:18 PM
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I am one of the lucky people who have managed to compete at hoys for a few years. I feel that if we are to keep the Arabian horse at the fore front of Horse breeds it is an important show to display them to the elite of the horse world.
Sponsorship for these classes is indeed very expensive, I think it's around £10,000 per year for three years. I think this is a way that we can keep our breed at the top and show them off without having to rely solely on the generosity of a sponsor.
The classes are for the competitor, whether amateur or professional I have enjoyed attending the show and I think as a group we should try and keep it going for more people to realize their dreams, as I realized mine.
I also know £85 is a lot of money, which as most people I can't afford right now but I will get one, just in case. |
  
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Em
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England
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Posted - 20 Jan 2009 : 8:37:44 PM
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I have also been very lucky to have competed at hoys and feel it is so important to have the arabian at such a major show. It is what a lot of us work all year to achieve BUT I do think this fee will restrict the qualifying horses, the first year I qualified was totally unexpected so I would not have had a ticket if the same applied that year and what a dream I would have missed.
Another concern could be later in the season the top 4 either have already qualified or those placing didn't buy a ticket, this could alter the final line up at hoys?
If membership is needed for hoys can the AHS not allow so many days after qualifying to join? Joining the AHS and buying a card is a lot of money for the start of the season.
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Chris James
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Posted - 20 Jan 2009 : 8:40:43 PM
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Not sure I'm reading this right.. but are we looking for a fund to keep(sponsor) these classes for the future?
In which case - it shouldn't just be on the competitors who are in the forefront now to pay for the future competitors.
What about all of us who love to go and spectate and hope to do so over many years - couldn't we have a HOYS (Arab) supporters fund? I would certainly give an X amount over x years to secure this.
Don't know the numbers - but there were a lot of Arab supporters - so even if each only gave £1/or £5.00 for 5 years - surely it would add up?
Would any others agree, if so, how/who would run it? |
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NPA Arabians
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Posted - 20 Jan 2009 : 9:46:42 PM
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Membership - Sorry this is my error  - you are supposed to be a member to "compete" at HOYS - but you dont need to be one to enter the hoys qualifying classes (or to qualify for that matter) - it would just help the office if you are a member if you gave your number it when buying the card - I will alter my original post - it should have said "if" member!
Supporters contributing as well-
Sounds a fab idea Chris - I know of a couple of people who are going to BUY cards as their way of helping - but obviously that is a lot of money.
If we can come up with a way of doing it - i will help in any way i can \ help with running it etc etc |
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lehla
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 21 Jan 2009 : 09:42:43 AM
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jayne does that mean i dont have to be a member of the ahs to buy a hoys card to try an qualify and dont have to be a member to enter the hoys classes sorry if i sound thick i always thought i had to be a member of the ahs to enter the hoys classes ta lehla
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NPA Arabians
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Posted - 21 Jan 2009 : 11:30:03 AM
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just to clarify (this is how i understand it)
The horses owner has to be a member to "compete\enter" the "FINAL" at the NEC in October.
With the exception of the National Show - you dont need to be a member to enter the Qualifiers.
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to buy a card
Which is a lot better than some of the other "showing sociteys" where the horse has to be "registered" every year - & the owner, rider, & producer all have to be members! to be able to show
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SueB
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Posted - 21 Jan 2009 : 12:10:28 PM
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I mentioned about contributing to a HOYS fund before on here. It is an excellent idea and we would like to help with a yearly donation to the fund. Even if only buying a card for a £100 or £85, it all helps.
Perhaps the AHS could mail all members when the next little paper newsletter goes out? People need to know so they can help. |
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jackie k
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Posted - 21 Jan 2009 : 12:51:32 PM
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Hi all
After a conversation about this topic last night - there is one thing that is worrying me at the moment..
Cheques made payable to the AHS ????
Surely if this is a fund for the HOYS classes it should have a seperate account because with all the good will in the world if it is going into a general account there is the possibility (and I say a possibility) that it could get used in the general running of the Society and then when it comes to paying the £30,000 to HOYS it may not be all available......
This is only a comment, not to put anyone down, so please don't shoot me, but £30,000 is alot of money to find and if it was seperate then the AHS would know how the fund raising was going. JMO.
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emma
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Posted - 21 Jan 2009 : 3:36:43 PM
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Jackie
I completely agree with you, i know how bad i am at saving up and not just spending the money along with my daily stuff.
On the last thread someone mentioned that as the AHS was a charity they were questioning how this would work (saving money up for hoys)but no one seemed to have an answer? |
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