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Micky
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 Posted - 02 Oct 2007 : 8:44:13 PM
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| So sorry, i think it was me having an ultra senior moment. What I meant was, other than the cherif, has anyone got any ideas how to promote these lovely horses within the society, or otherwise. |
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pintoarabian
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Scotland
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Posted - 02 Oct 2007 : 9:09:06 PM
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| It is not always that the most desirable 'fashions'or trends come out of the USA. However, as Liz Salmon has stated on numerous occasions, the innovative sportshorse classes and shows have dramatically helped to promote the other side of the Arabian horse industry and are becoming increasingly popular. There is certainly a growing number of Arabian enthusiasts in the UK who see that as the way forward too. In my opinion, the AHS should actively look to the success of this in the States and examine ways to promote Arabians as sport horses, not just part breds, here in the UK. Let's do this sooner rather than later....please? There would be a lot of takers and such horses would certainly do more to open the eyes and minds of the general horse-owning public to the versatility of the Arabian in all its forms. |
http://www.performancearabians.com
http://performancearabians.blogspot.com/
https://www.facebook.com/PerformanceArabians
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DenmoorStud
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Posted - 02 Oct 2007 : 9:39:27 PM
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Anglos and partbreds have always been popular on the show circuit
because of their beauty and presence, unfortunatley most show producers
seem not to give the breeder any recognition. That old word again Micky.
We need to remind them no breeder no horse. The throughbreds reward their breeders with the breeders cup. |
   
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Havenbeech
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Wales
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Posted - 03 Oct 2007 : 07:11:43 AM
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I am a huge fan of part breds, where else how else would you breed ponies with that extra beauty, "edge" & movement that the dash of arabian blood supplies?
This is my colt foal this year "Gold Mine" who is 37.5% arabian to make 12.2hh.
Maybe i should show him in some part bred classes next year? The trouble is with horses is they are usually bought with a "job" in mind, that doesnt often include being shown specifically as a part bred arab, even though lots of the perfomance and show horses today have enough blood to be eligible.
Its the same with ponies, their bought to do SP/SHP/WHP and the part bred classes are only ever supported when theres nothing else to do - i agree with Pintoarabian on this one, the sooner we encourage the AHS to promote and encourage the sound breeding of part breds the better - though perhaps they've got enough on their plate at the moment?  |
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Hazel Cornes
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 03 Oct 2007 : 08:49:59 AM
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Lovely colt Havenbeech, you might be interested in the SPSS (Sports Pony Studbook Society)they are having a grading weekend and show on 13 & 14 Oct at Heart of England Equestrian,Staffs. The SPSS are there to promote the breeding ponies for competition (showing is not a discipline). We took our PBA Antsar Maria (31.25%)last year to the SPSS Show, the ponies are marked and she was awarded a 1st Premium. Her Grand Dam was Maria Bint Lavado. Also the BEF (British Equestrian Federation) hold Young Horse Evaluations throughout the year at different venues and there is a Pony Section. Again they are looking for future competition stars. Then there are the British Dressage Breeding Champs in July again a pony section.
The SPSS grade Stallions (up to 158 cms)some of the PBA's are Cherokee Chief PBA, Langstaffe Donnerstag BWBS/PBA, Ousbek French Bred Arab who has elite status due to his jumping & White Kossak. There are others with enough arab blood for registration.
There are people out there promoting the "arab" as a performance horse/pony and I agree with previous posts it is the recognition in the AHS where the AA/PBA is lacking.
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Micky
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Posted - 03 Oct 2007 : 1:39:45 PM
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| At the recent Trakehner grading, an Anglo mare was fully graded which made her foal at foot who was by Fairlyn Gemini (also graded) a fully branded foal. Is this the first anglo foal who has been graded as a pure Trakhener? |
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Hazel Cornes
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 03 Oct 2007 : 2:16:05 PM
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Having sat for the last 2 hrs while my car was being serviced pondering the profile of performance "arabs" in the AHS, perhaps a way forward would be for an extension of the Performance Awards (if they still exist).
On the BD website you can login and pull up a horse's (and rider's)competition record. Could this be the way forward for the AHS?
Am I right in assuming Lynda that you have the placings in the Cherif classes returned to you? I am sure the BSJA must have some lists and I know Br Eventing does also BSPS. The HOYS classes could be included for the Pure Breds and in fact all the affiliated AHS ridden showing as well as western, endurance & racing.
I have purposely excluded the Pure Bred inhand as I do think they are very good at selling themselves here and abroad.
I don't know the IT implications and costs, but I for one would be willing to collate and up date any Performance Ratings and I'm sure from some of the posts others would. I certainly would not expect the current Activities Committee to take up the workload.
My vision (perhaps I've been watching too many Party Political Broadcasts!) is a Performance Section on the AHS website, listing horses/ponies individually which you would then click on to bring up their competition record and pedigree (which AHS holds). Links could be provided to the breeder's website which could be a source of revenue.
OK - is this "Pie in the Sky" or "Forward Thinking"?
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Lynda
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England
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Posted - 03 Oct 2007 : 3:52:13 PM
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I'm not sure if the Performance Awards are still being done by the AHS, but I believe that some of the regional groups hold them.
All the Cherif results are returned to me and they are all on the Events and Anglo and Part-bred section of AL.
I don't quite understand the previous posting re. "Show producers not giving credit to breeders". Would you elaborate please. |
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nige
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DenmoorStud
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Posted - 03 Oct 2007 : 5:01:52 PM
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Hi everyone so pleased to see such positive thinking, you all have
some SUPER horses. AHS points seem to be in limbo, and perhaps need a revamp. Keep the idears flowing |
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cassy
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 03 Oct 2007 : 5:04:30 PM
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| maybe we can do a show over a day or a few days if need be for pba from foal in hand to jumping, dressage, showing, liberty it could be fun and id bring a couple within reasonable travel (im East Yorks) |
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Athena
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England
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Posted - 04 Oct 2007 : 09:49:09 AM
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Hi Everyone, I have been following this thread with interest. I am part of the Crabbet Organisation and we would very much like to cover more Anglo and Part-bred material in our Crabbet Magazine. We have two problems that maybe some people here might be able to help with.
Problem one is that our current active contributors are all pure-bred Arabian breeders /riders although of ridden show horse or endurance type bloodlines. We do not have a resource of people knowledgeable in the part-bred and Anglo breeding /showing /performing scene. The second problem is that pedigree information on Anglos and Part-breds is much harder to access in the UK than in the USA which makes it impossible for us to do awards for these horses in the way we do for pure-breds - because we cannot set and check qualifying bloodline criteria.
This is a shame as we know in general terms that much of the traditional English (ie not recently imported) Anglo and Part-bred Arabian breeding was based on bloodlines from the Crabbet Stud.
So we would love to hear from anyone who feels they could help with sourcing material on successful Anglo or Part-bred Arabian performance horses or studs that are based on predominantly Crabbet Arabian bloodlines - I can always help with checking the Pure-bred Arabian lines in the pedigree if supplied.
Please feel free to email me with offers of help or just suggestions at zobeyni.crabbet@virgin.net - our magazine is the Crabbet Journal with 2 issues a year. We are full for the forthcoming Winter edition but like to plan ahead and are already compiling ideas for the Summer 2008 edition. Alexia |
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cassy
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 04 Oct 2007 : 10:05:24 AM
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Athena one of my pba foals due March will be 86% Arab and mostly crabbet, i have 2 pba foals due and have one pba mare (the other mare is now owned by another stud though retained foal)
If i can help look at stallions here Royal Command Of Wentward is sire of my foal out of ACORNHILL BONITA
The stallion full sis SIMPLY IRIZISTABLE is the one in foal to TOBAGO whos foal will be 86% Arab
You are more than welcome for pics and i will be showing TOBAGO one with the mare
Angienjohn@hotmail.co.uk i know im not a big stud or anything but if i can help do mail me or call me 07983 338932 Angie |
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Rozy Rider
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 04 Oct 2007 : 10:27:19 AM
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Most Showponies, including those going forward to HOYS this week, will trace back to some Arab blood, in the 1950ies, 1960ies, 1970ies, many top class riding ponies had an introduction to the arab blood, just a dash would improve many riding types, Naseel was well known to be suitable for the riding show types. My own mare had anglo and went back to Ra & Raktha...
After visiting and seeing Istfahan move I can't think off any other Arab Stallion to use, what a stunning mover, never seen anyone move like this for years..
Also,I just heard that top Endurance rider Trish Hirst has bought two part bred arab youngsters. |
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Athena
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England
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Posted - 04 Oct 2007 : 10:32:52 AM
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Thank you for responding so promptly Angie - I have emailed you.
I should have mentioned in my previous post that it is the Crabbet Journal's general editorial policy not to print articles written by the owner /breeder of the horses covered - to maintain perceived objectivity. You can still supply info on your own horses of course but the article would have to be written up by someone else.
The only exception to the above is that we very occasionally do run a personal one horse owner /rider story leading to significant performance success. Alexia |
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Athena
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England
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Posted - 04 Oct 2007 : 10:36:50 AM
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| Originally posted by Rozy Rider
Most Showponies, including those going forward to HOYS this week, will trace back to some Arab blood, in the 1950ies, 1960ies, 1970ies, many top class riding ponies had an introduction to the arab blood, just a dash would improve many riding types, Naseel was well known to be suitable for the riding show types. My own mare had anglo and went back to Ra & Raktha...
Also,I just heard that top Endurance rider Trish Hirst has bought two part bred arab youngsters.
Hi Sue, thanks for this. I do know this in general terms of course and grew up like many of us on stories of Naseel and his show pony daughter Pretty Polly. Unfortunately I cannot check the pedigrees of current ponies with any ease and do not know anyone who knows them and is familiar with the show pony scene now in any detail. Please let me know if you know of anyone who might be able to help in this area.
There must be plenty of Palomino part-breds with high proportions of Crabbet Arabian bloodlines - can anyone suggest anyone with a detailed knowledge of the Palomino show /performance scene and their breeding? Alexia - email me with any details at zobeyni.crabbet@virgin.net |
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Rozy Rider
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 04 Oct 2007 : 10:54:44 AM
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| Athena, I'm also a bit out of touch with todays riding ponies, would need to study the HOYS catalogue.. As for the Palomino's we're all working on Palomino's breeding under SUNDOWNER 1961,see pedigree/ breeding. we've all put our heads together to sort many of the lines & pedigrees out and get them on allbreeds.many of these palomino's had pure arabian sires or the dames went to pure arabs... |
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Athena
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sazzlepants71
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Posted - 04 Oct 2007 : 1:01:16 PM
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hi just thought i would put this link on as has some PBA results ,i dont know this stud personally -0 but just look at their results!
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wow! they are definately worth shouting about , wonder how they got on @ HOYS ?? lovely ponies  |
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Hazel Cornes
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 04 Oct 2007 : 3:01:42 PM
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The Brookwater Stud (Jimmi & John)co own Rotherwood Peeping Tom with the Royal Park Stud (Richard Hulbert).
Rotherwood Peeping Tom was bred by Liz Mansfield (Rotherwood Stud)and he is by Strinesdale Matador who has 25% arab blood. Matador alone had 15 progeny at HOYS 2006. Strinesdale Matador is out of a mare called Gredington Natalia who is/was by Count Romeo (AA by COUNT RAPELLO). The breeding is on All Breed website. Strinesdale Matador has a full brother Strinesdale Mastermind.
The Strinesdale Stud (Mrs Richardson) bred an arab mare September Shade (S. Bey Shadow D. September Gold)in 1976 and 16 yrs ago I bought her as my 1st broodmare. I put her to a riding pony Courtway Viscount (Sire Cusop Disciplin who goes back to IRAN)and had Antsar Eddie (57.50%)who became our Dressage Pony at 148cms. We then put her to El Prendero (AA who goes back to SIDI BOU SBEYEL)and had Antsar Fredero (156.5cms) who also did affiliated dressage and has a huge jump.
It would be really interesting if September Shade had any Crabbet as to me she was my perfect arab to cross out. When you click on the All Breeds pedigree the pics of the Arabs in the pony breeding are so classic very different from the in hand arab of today, have there always been such a difference between the two types?
I bought Brookwater Private Dancer (Welsh Sec B) 2 yrs ago as a foal from Jimmi & John and next year I am going to use Caesar 171 by AI. Caesar 171 is a European Gold Medal German Dressage Pony. If you go back on his breeding on the Sire's side (which has welsh) you find Whatton Lady Bronze and Whatton Lady Gay who both go back to Shazda (1949).
Most of the top showing ponies have traceable breeding via the studs and All Breeds. Of course Lynda (Moderator) has amazing knowledge, I'm just starting and finding it facinating.
Sorry I've gone on too long.
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DenmoorStud
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Posted - 04 Oct 2007 : 7:32:49 PM
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Thank you Pinto, I to feel that the Arabian Sport Horse is the way forward.
I have suggested to the AHS, that they might consider an Arabian Sport Horse register.
Do you think there would be enough support? |
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DenmoorStud
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Posted - 04 Oct 2007 : 7:49:18 PM
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| Hi Micky, The filly was indeed the first to be accepted and branded as as Trakhner, it is rather unusual, as normally either AA mares are graded into the stud book and covered by Trakhner stallions or visa versa. |
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Micky
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Rozy Rider
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 04 Oct 2007 : 8:44:32 PM
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Can you tell me if Part Bred Arabs can be registered to compete in Endurance in France...
and The Red Dragon Results are just in, if anyone wants to see who won.. |
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Sioux
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France
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Posted - 04 Oct 2007 : 8:51:45 PM
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Can you tell me if Part Bred Arabs can be registered to compete in Endurance in France...
Yes I beleive so, as Demi sang Arabe is now a seperate registry...as long as your french breed papers are in order of course and the Rider has the necessary licence and 'Galop Stages' [;)
I beleive also that for TREC in France you dont need breed papers of any sort as long as yo have SIRE papers (to prove microchip and ID passport)
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If its not an arabian its just a horse! |
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