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DenmoorStud
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 Posted - 01 Oct 2007 : 1:53:30 PM
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Anyone out there breeding PBA Horses,as I would like to hear from you, as my feelings are we do not recieve the recognition we deserve.
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cassy
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United Kingdom
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Micky
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Posted - 01 Oct 2007 : 3:29:52 PM
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Sioux
Bronze Member
France
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Posted - 01 Oct 2007 : 3:35:40 PM
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Hi
When I decided to breed a few mares after giving up riding, I considered that a native pony type with a definate view to breeding a quality, well balanced riding and sport pony was the way for me to start with. The native sorts I considered from research, would have less complications and be more likely to forgive my relative inexperience.
So, I bought a well put together and very well mannered arab cross new forest 14hh pony, and also bought a connemara cross sumthingorotha from the stallion owner I chose for the first one.
From years of arab fetishism, of course, the stallion had to be an arabian, a stunning polish egyptian cross who had such a lovely personality I was able to hug and play with him lose in the field where I viewed him.....PERFECT!!
Fortunately apart from a slight hiccup with the first foaling, I have been blessed with two absolutely gorgeous foals, one a colt 75% arab/NF and one a filly 50%arab 25% connemara. They are just what I had planned for, the colt is just incredibly beautiful and both are friendly, gentle and fairly willing for their age (now 6 and 7 months)
As for recognition as such, I feel that sports pony in whichever field, is where the PBA pony will thrive at least here in France.
Part bred arab horses are a very varied and variable 'type' so other than anglos and 50% crosses they arent really a specific type dont you think? Anglos get plenty of recognition but arabs have been infused into so many other sorts and breeds it would be hard to specify a type?
I dont know if you expected a long ramble from me gushing on about my two part bred arab foals but I have high hopes for their futures, albeit in anothers hands as I no longer show nor ride....it has been a great experience and now I have moved on to a stunning polish arab mare for a pure bred foal and will resend the colts PBA mother to stud next year.
Now please tell me all about your part breds?
sioux |
If its not an arabian its just a horse! |
Edited by - Sioux on 01 Oct 2007 3:51:59 PM |
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Sioux
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France
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Posted - 01 Oct 2007 : 3:44:10 PM
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gosh it worked first time
This is a pic of my two foals! |
If its not an arabian its just a horse! |
Edited by - Sioux on 01 Oct 2007 3:45:14 PM |
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sandstorm
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Posted - 01 Oct 2007 : 4:17:41 PM
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Hi Sioux,
We have 2 anglo geldings.
BH ARIZONA , Fairlyn Gemini x Miss Blandish 50% TB /50% ARAB
BH DOMINION Malkata x Miss Blandish 25%TB /75% ARAB
and 6 partbreds all NSH
A CHANCE OF FAME (us) Spotacular Fame (us)x Estopa ym (us) 50%ARAB/50% SADDLEBRED
BH SPIRIT WALKER , A Chance of Fame x Sanstopa 75%ARAB/25% ARAB
BH ABLAZE IN COLOR, A Chance of Fame x Jadzia, 75% ARAB/25% SADDLEBRED
BH CUBA ,A Chance of Fame x Sanstopa, 75%ARAB /25%SADDLEBRED
BH A VISION OF COLOR , A Chance of Fame x Chopard, 75%ARAB/ 25%ARAB
BH ZETA , A Chance of Fame x Jadzia 75%ARAB/ 25% SADDLEBRED
all very versatile horses .
www.bharabiansandpintos.co.uk
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Micky
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Posted - 01 Oct 2007 : 5:50:32 PM
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| I think that this will be very interesting, but I would still like to know about the recognition thing. |
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Judith S
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Wales
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Posted - 01 Oct 2007 : 6:30:19 PM
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| ? not sure what you want............but I've a Quarter Horse mare infoal to our Arab for next year........can't wait to see what a Quarab is like in the flesh |
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Gemma
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 01 Oct 2007 : 7:22:54 PM
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I'm not sure what you mean by recognition? PBAs are everywhere, doing well in all spheres. Think of Tamarillo, the stunning anglos and show ponies winning at HOYS and the like, and those PBAs doing well in the endurance sphere.
By recognition, do you mean that PBAs are the 'poor relation' when it comes to pure-breds? That's not been my experience at all. |
 
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Rach1
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England
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Posted - 01 Oct 2007 : 8:17:34 PM
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| Hi - My part bred (Large Hack) mare is in foal to KF I Feel Rowdy, she is black and he is Homothingy chestnut and white, I am hopeing for a coloured hack, that should raise a few eyebrows! Also my anglo colt (Chancton Golden Colours (Golden Heights X Desert Colours)) is hopefully going to the the A.I. center so he will be availble to a few mares in the new year. I am really excited about both, and believe me it will be all over the lines when either happens. |
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pintoarabian
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jennie
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 01 Oct 2007 : 9:16:51 PM
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| I have a P.B. (and a purebred!!) and she is a graded Trakehner. Not many people realise that Trakehners have pure bred (arab) blood introduced every so many generations. The purebred has to be graded as the stud book is closed in order offspring can be registered. She oozes quality and nex tyear we hope to do riding horse and large hack classes. She is a great advert for PBs |
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DenmoorStud
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Posted - 02 Oct 2007 : 11:05:16 AM
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Re: Recognition
Recognition from AHS, that PBA horse breeders play an important role in bringing awareness of Arabian performance lines to the equestrian public. To acknowledge that our breeding, although termed partbred, is not a hotchpotch of unknown bloodlines but a carefully prepared breeding program using pedigree horses from other longstanding studbooks. |
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Micky
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Posted - 02 Oct 2007 : 11:22:28 AM
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| This recognition has been going on for years-or should i say non recognition. A lot of part bred breeders can trace back the pedigrees of their horses for years, and there are also those who start with an unregistered mare and can never trace them. |
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Sioux
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France
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Posted - 02 Oct 2007 : 11:44:51 AM
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Didnt most of the top wembley showponies since the 70s hail from PBA blood?
They were well recognised by the horse world although cant obviously speak for the AHS in particular. When I was in the UK (long time now I now, past 10yrs but cant have changed that much surely) there were PBA classes and qualifiers at most shows where there were arab classes?
In France (which has odd 'laws' on which breeds are acceptable) the Part bred Arab or Demi sang arab has only recently (2 or 3 years) been recognised as a seperate studbook from the usual 'Origines Connue' meaning cross bred but not eligible for NH register,or Selle Francaise/Poney Francaise de Selle(sp) which are the accepted recognised stallions crosses allowed to compete in affiliated.
For example I can register my PBA pony mare who is half arab half NFcross as such, but my connemara cross will never be more than a pony of connemara type unable to compete affiliated anything, which is a bit unfair as she is more 'connemara' than many connemaras. If I had bred her to a connie rather than an arab the foal would also have been 'unrecognised hotchpotch' but her arab sired foal is recognised as PBA. |
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Edited by - Sioux on 02 Oct 2007 11:52:35 AM |
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Lynda
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Posted - 02 Oct 2007 : 12:47:11 PM
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Hi Sue
You are absolutely correct about the show ponies of the 70's having sufficient arab blood to either be registered or eligible to be, and prior to the 70's. It is still the same to this day. For the last few years the supreme ridden pony at HOYS has been a registered Part-bred, and these have been both show ponies and show hunter ponies. There are also Anglo and Part-bred hacks, riding horses and intermediates all HOYS bound this year, as well as the ponies, in their hundreds.
However all these HOYS ridden animals are in a different guise, as is sometimes the case at County shows throughout the season. Unfortunately these wonderful results are not picked up by the Society, and I think it is because they either don't care, or there is nobody keeping them informed.
Hence the Cherif Championship was started 17 years ago, and this competition has done wonders for the ridden horses and ponies. They are recognised in the outside world, and accepted. Revenue for the society has increased due to more animals wanting to compete in the Cherif, and therefore having to be registered with the AHS. We have tried over the years to get interest from the Society, but to no avail.
Many years ago when my sister and I were showing, I well remember there being two lines of Part-bred yearlings over 14.2h.h. at the National show. Look at the entries today! You're lucky if there are eight. Why? The breeders that were around then, have gone on to show their youngsters in a different catagory. Many are still registered with the society, but no longer show within the confines of the Anglo and Part-breds.
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sazzlepants71
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Posted - 02 Oct 2007 : 1:15:59 PM
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hi lynda, thanks for that information - thats really interesting & also really quite sad
as a owner of a PBA & a pure bred they are very different worlds...i have found especially in showing - its very dishearting & you so right about the drop in numbers 
i remember being at a county show with 17 entries in the inhand class this was what , nearly 10 years ago and now ...well you are lucky to get 5 - 6 rubbish!
we lost the AA/PBA in -hand Champs not long ago...i am so glad you are flying the flag for the AA/PBA ridden its such a important show 
but lets hope that we see winners at HOYS that are AA/PBA blood and shout about it!
i dont think we show off enough personally x
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Lynda
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Posted - 02 Oct 2007 : 1:26:20 PM
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Hi Sarah
If you hear shouting, it will be me |
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Gemma
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Posted - 02 Oct 2007 : 1:36:35 PM
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| Another thought to add: there is a part-bred arab/anglo arab section on this website. How many of us read it? Or even submit things to it? I own a registered PBA who is currently having great sucess in the endurance arena, and I am as guilty as the next person of not crowing about it enough. Perhaps we PBA owners and breeders need to do more self-promotion? |
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sazzlepants71
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Posted - 02 Oct 2007 : 1:45:49 PM
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hi gemma , i agree and i DO read the AA/PBA bit of site! of course ..good to hear you doing so well i know you post loads on the endurance bit which is cool , but you are right we should self promote more really...hmm needs to get our thinking hats on maybe ..i know that the SER does ER awards for best perfoming PBA /AA and stuff doesnt it ??? perhaps we should have a more active to link to this  but there is so much more that they are competing on isnt there , over to you |
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suneanarab
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Posted - 02 Oct 2007 : 1:48:42 PM
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i've bred pba's. the first a 50% arab, 25% id, 25% tb. the second is at home with me now and is by my arab stallion (steel grey in my signature) and out of a mare by dixi and out of a guarnered mare. i now also have the dam of one of cassy's expected foals for next year and plan to cover her with both my stallions at some point as well as using outside pba's on her.
as for recognition, well the arabian has a stigma attached that most don't deserve, therefore most people will say that they are a tb cross and such. god help and pba that happens to be a show jumper as most owners would rather eat the muck the horse produces than admit it has arabian blood in it! |
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SueN
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Posted - 02 Oct 2007 : 2:51:49 PM
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I don't quite understand where you would want to promote the anglo and part breds. Its far too insular to promote within the breed society. The outside world has infact accepted our anglo and parts, so much so that the majority of decent ridden show animals are advertised as either having qualified for, or eligible for the Cherif. That in itself is promotion.
The stigma that was mentioned with reference to the pure bred is purely and simply due to the way that they are shown, and some of the types that are being bred in the present day.
No one breeding anglo and parts went into it because we couldn't afford a pure bred. |
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SueB
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Posted - 02 Oct 2007 : 3:01:57 PM
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I really and truely have never had a non arab person dislike my pure breds. In fact I have had huge compliments made to them from very knowledgable Dressage breeders/riders and even Hunter breeders.
Anyone who knows a good horse can see a good horse in a good arab, that's all they are, horses that just happen to be Arabians.
The key to owning or breeding arabs that you won't feel ashamed of, is perhaps, to be selective and only breed or own the very best you possibly can afford.
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moldequine
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Micky
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Posted - 02 Oct 2007 : 5:37:11 PM
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| OK the recognition part has been answered. Has anyone any ideas? |
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Hazel Cornes
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Posted - 02 Oct 2007 : 8:25:10 PM
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Micky I am having a very senior moment, I don't understand your question "Has anyone any ideas?", in relation to what?
Thanks
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