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jaj
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 Posted - 16 Aug 2007 : 9:39:37 PM
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Thank you  !
I think that I will be leaving on 1st September but not sure if things may get a little tricky before then. At the moment they are on a well eaten down field and so not too worried but the yo wants to move them at the end of this week onto two fields of bright green, lush (toxic  ) grass. As I'm not allowed to restrict K's grazing in any way, shape or form she will be out there 24/7 for a fortnight until I leave. I'm going to object and request that she is left where she is until I go as I think it is totally and utterly irresponsible to put all the horses onto this grass without any regard for their health  .
One of my friends challenged her today, saying that many of the liveries are very twitchy about going onto this new grass and are scared to say anything in case they get kicked off like my friend, she basically said that if they didn't like it they could leave too  . Wish that they would all vote with their feet  .
Jen
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Coral Wings
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Posted - 16 Aug 2007 : 10:07:28 PM
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Happy birthday hun!!
You see, I had the opp problem, the yard I was as had no winter grazing at all from Nov til May so thats why I moved my horses to a private yard so they can live out at much as possible!! I couldn't have my horses in 23 hours a day!! Looking at it from my point of view, I think I would lose my mind!! Does anyone else stable their horses all winter?? Or do you think this is unnatural?? |
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Tahir
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 16 Aug 2007 : 10:09:30 PM
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Oh no Jen!! How irresponsible of her - does she really like to see horses suffer. I wish you were closer, you could have K here for a couple of weeks. Could you move to your new yard a bit earlier?
Ooo and Happy Birthday for yesterday.
Carla, xx. |
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alix liddle
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Posted - 17 Aug 2007 : 10:11:40 PM
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Hi all
I don't like to stable a horse all winter either. I sometimes leave mine in alternate days in winter to avoid mud fever, but I always exercise her on those days. Having said that, mine's in 24/7 at the moment as she's on box rest due to lameness. |
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jaj
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Posted - 18 Aug 2007 : 12:31:16 AM
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Some old hands on here will probably remember me leaving my last yard due to the winter turnout or complete lack of, very difficult to get the balance right. The place I'm moving to, TELL me (though what transpires we will have to wait and see) is that over summer I can have her out 24/7 or out at night and in for a few hours during the day, whatever suits me and then they all come in at night from end of October to end of March-ish with turnout all day in winter months. Here's to hoping but I'm not holding my breath!
Jen
ps sorry, thanks Carla for your kind offer, hopefully we only have two weeks to go but it seems a lot can happen in a fortnight! |
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Roseanne
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Posted - 18 Aug 2007 : 11:12:42 AM
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I'd be worried about this two weeks Jen. The grass has had sun and rain and will be quite sweet I should think. Going from very well cropped grazing to lush, sweet grass will definately give them all the slops (!) but will be a huge sugar shock to their systems!
I think that people who have always 'done horses' and don't get regularly updated and educated on a forum like this (let's face it we're all learning things and opinions every day on here) just stay stuck in their old routines and are convinced they know best.
I hope all goes well Jen. Good luck at the new yard! |
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jaj
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Posted - 18 Aug 2007 : 12:13:57 PM
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Roseanne, they won't move fields until Annie leaves (it's her that's been chucked off for doing the right thing). I'm going at the same time as her so K will not go into the new field (over my dead body!).
Jen
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Kazzy
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Posted - 18 Aug 2007 : 12:25:08 PM
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I think I would be extremely worried about Laminitis, it is Lami time again.
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mrsj
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Posted - 18 Aug 2007 : 8:28:53 PM
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Hi I'm new to the forum and have just been reading the information that has been posted with regards to jaj's livery yard.
I run a livery yard in Norfolk and am appalled at how the YO seems to disregard the horse owners requests or needs and most importantly the needs of the horses.
Surely the YO should work with the horse owner to ensure the safety and well being of any horse especially one that requires extra care.
My horses are all different and as such are treated differently, ie some live out all summer, some do not, some come in lunch time, some at tea time. Others require ad lib haylage, whilst others require restricted diets.
I recommend that you speak to other livery owners and find out how happy they are with the services they receive and also to find out if there is a quick turnover of clients. It would also be worth looking at other horses on the yard and to see how well they look and also ask about pasture management.
I hope all goes well with your move and that your horse settles well.
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jaj
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Posted - 18 Aug 2007 : 8:39:42 PM
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Hello Carol and welcome !
As regards other liveries on the yard, about 1/2 dozen of us all came from another yard that closed and have been at this current place for over 2yrs. I know that most of them are very unhappy about the situation and have stated that if their horses become ill and they are prevented from treating them properly they will move yards immediately. Personally I cannot live with the laminitis threat hanging over me day in day out and have therefore decided to move. Who knows whether anyone else will follow suit, probably not once all the fuss has died down. The way I think most of them are dealing with the situation is to exercise their horses more frequently in the hope of dealing with it from another angle as restricting their intake of grass is clearly not an option. I find this unacceptable as surely the best way of keeping the weight off is to restrict their feed intake and exercise as a secondary (although very important) measure. Trying to shift weight from an already fat horse is much harder than keeping it off in the first place. People just bury their heads in the sand and hope it won't happen to them is how I see it. There isn't a particularly high turnover of liveries as in most other respects it is a nice yard. A lot of the horses or should I say predominately the smaller horses and ponies are definitely bordering on or are obese. How their owners sleep at night beats me, I lie awake worrying and to be honest my mare isn't particularly overweight.
Having a conversation with the YO isn't an option, when I tried a week or so ago, I was told that if I didn't like it I knew what I could do (very politely told, but the message was loud and clear). So I am going and I hope it makes my friends take stock, but I bet it doesn't unless one of their horses gets laminitis. I sadly think that will be what it will take to wake them up to this dreadful condition  .
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rosyw
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Posted - 18 Aug 2007 : 9:17:48 PM
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Hi Jen, a very belated happy birthday
Keeping my fingers crossed for you at the new yard.
Also Hi and welcome to Carol, where abouts are you in Norfolk  that's where I am. |
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mrsj
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Posted - 19 Aug 2007 : 09:18:29 AM
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Hi rosyw, I am between Norwich & Acle in a village called Strumpshaw. The yard used to be run as a riding school, but I mainly do full livery now along with breaking/schooling/showring production.
Jen, it sounds as though your old yard is just an accident waiting to happen, especially as the YO apparently doesn't seem 100% committed to their clients and the horses. I hope you will be much happier in your new place, however it does not help the other poor ponies that may end up getting laminitis!
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Roseanne
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Posted - 19 Aug 2007 : 5:06:51 PM
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Welcome Carol,
It seems some yard owners use their position of strength as a way to exert their influence and insist their 'ways' are adopted by their liveries. It's a difficult one for the liveries and I guess in the end you have to vote with your feet.
Hope things go well Jen and that you manage to move on without too much bad feeling! |
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jaj
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Posted - 19 Aug 2007 : 7:53:32 PM
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I think it will be ok thanks Roseanne, we got on ok today and I do like her a lot so hope to leave on good terms. Felt really pants this afternoon as I have some dear friends down there, if only I didn't have a horse to think about I would be quite happy there!
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Smiler
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Posted - 19 Aug 2007 : 8:51:09 PM
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| Hi jen happy belated birthday ! it was my birthday as well on the 15 !!! and like you very stressfull day i had ( daughter nearly died ) but hey ho something bad always happens on my birthday so should have seen it coming , any way can not believe oy and hope this new place is much better third time lucky eh !!!! |
   
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Tahir
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Posted - 19 Aug 2007 : 9:17:17 PM
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Really hope you leave on good terms Jen, there is nothing worse than disagreeing with a person you like. I really think you are taking the right action though, even if you leave some good friends behind. You will make many more good friends, I am sure. Please let us know how you get on. Not sure I said so before but "belated Happy Birthday" (the older you get, the more stressful they are!!!)
Smiler, what a horrendous birthday you had, hope your daughter is OK now?
Carla, xx. |
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Tahir
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Posted - 19 Aug 2007 : 10:06:28 PM
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So glad your daughter is OK smiler, and learns her lesson well!! I know exactly what you mean about this year. I keep seeing the "light at the end of the tunnel", then another size 10 boot appears and trips me up again (then kicks me in the teeth). Hey ho - that's life, just keep smiling and being posiitive!!!
Carla, xx. |
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LYNDILOU
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Posted - 20 Aug 2007 : 08:25:39 AM
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| Oh dear just caught up with this thread again, and My, you poor girls are going through the mill, firstly Smiler, I hope your daughter is ok now, what a scare for you! Carla, those size 10 boots will never defeat you sweetie, just keep your pecker up, and Jen, while I have every sympathy for you, I know livery can be awful, being on both sides of the fence during my long life, and I wouldnt ever go back to being on your side of the fence,. I hope you settle well in your new place and manage to stay friends with the old |
   
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jaj
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Posted - 20 Aug 2007 : 10:02:18 PM
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Thanks Lynda !
Smiler, really hope that your daughter is ok although sure the experience of whatever happened will be with you both for a long time.
I'm all set to move yards on Thursday August 30th. We are taking Annie's mare up to the veterinary clinic for her second round of x-rays and remedial shoeing, K will be on the lorry with her and whilst they are busy with the vet, our brilliant friend will take me to my new place, then go back to 'nutters' yard and collect Annie's other horse and then back to the vets to pick up the mare and both of them to their new home! Busy day, but fingers crossed that it works out for all concerned and that the horses aren't too upset by their move.
Jen
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Tahir
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Posted - 20 Aug 2007 : 10:07:58 PM
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Jen, sounds like you have the move really well organised (for the horses anyway!!!). I am sure they will settle into their new home and give you no cause for worry. Good luck!
Carla, xx. |
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LYNDILOU
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Posted - 20 Aug 2007 : 10:08:13 PM
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knowing how upset your mare was on your last move I really hope it goes well for her fingers crossed for a trouble free move and hopefully a lasting one |
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jaj
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Posted - 20 Aug 2007 : 10:14:56 PM
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I know Lynda, but she had her 'breakdown' before we moved, she had been at the previous place ages and the problem came with her. Just so hope it doesn't resurface with this move, it is very much on my mind. Positive thinking though, I'll just have to get the soothsayer back to see her again if anything does occur  !
Jen
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