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Arabian Girl
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 Posted - 12 Jun 2007 : 7:00:31 PM
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Today one of my clients came into my shop and asked "was i still riding arabs" blah blah blah ect,,anyhow she went on to tell me she has an Iberian which she shows and they have a lovely native costume (maybe similar to our Arabs)..She went on to tell me that they had a class for them at Warrington Show this year,,,which i was at ,,and i wished i had known about them before hand  as i would have gone to watch the class...Apparently they move with a high stepping, and elaborate action and are breath taking to watch...Has anybody else seen these horses I am just about to google it but if any body else has any pics please feel free to post ..I am intrigued Lynne
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Judith S
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polly
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Posted - 12 Jun 2007 : 7:56:19 PM
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| It could be the Tres Sangres ( three Bloods...arab..andalucian..and th/bred) these are high stepping, and some are called Carthehna ( from the Carthusian Monks, they arrived around the time of the invasion by the Moores and Arabs into Morocco and Spain) so...maybe these are the Iberian Horses ??? Polly |
   
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Roseanne
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Posted - 12 Jun 2007 : 8:04:33 PM
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I've always understood Iberian to simply be Spanish. The Spanish purebred or thoroughbred (Pura Raza Espagnole or PRE) is better known here as the Andalusian. I bought mine from Richard Lust's stud Yeguada Iberica (Iberian Stud) which was in Bedford but now relocated to Spain. The link below shows Richard on Granero IV which is the father of my boy Otan III. I assume Lusitanos also come under the term Iberian, though i understand they're Portugese, since in the civil war (or some war!) the Andalusians were stolen and interbred with other horses in Portugal, making them slightly different to the Andalucians.
Andalucians have to be proven to be of pure blood to be graded, and if not graded matching up to stringent standards, are not allowed to be entered into the thoroughbred stud book. Those that do match up have a Roman numeral after their name.
http://www.thejoyofhorses.com/may98/andalusian.htm |
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Arabian Girl
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Posted - 12 Jun 2007 : 8:24:14 PM
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| Hello and thank you for your replies....apparently they are from Portugal and i think are linked with Adaulsions and Lusitanos though,,,,,,.. I have just read your link Roseanne and i enjoyed reading it ..They are a lot "chunkier" than i imagined,, quite a thick set neck......what is there action like?Your post Roseanne says you have one . Do you compete ,,as my client in the shop suggested that their is a new awareness for the breed and more county shows are promoting the breed.....Lynne |
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Roseanne
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Posted - 12 Jun 2007 : 9:51:17 PM
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Hi Lynne
You might like to see one of Spain's great dressage stallions - the grand prix winner Invasor with Rafael Soto.
http://www.horsesdaily.com/news/tour/2004/04ach/07-21-soto.html
Competition-wise I only do dressage on Otan, who is actually for sale this summer, and nothing too advanced, nothing like Invasor! But he does jump and we hack out a lot. They are a fairly hefty breed. When you see them in the stable they can look a bit carthorsey, but when you ride them they 'switch on'. They're incredibly athletic, gymnastic and trainable and can do dressage moves very easily because their legs are 'under' them rather than out the back like TBs and Arabs which are basically racing horses. Andalusians are known for their brilliant temperaments; SO easy to do, and they tend to live on fresh air. A very good, attractive, majestic breed to own; comfortable to ride, especially for people who don't like the really bouncy, elevated horses. |
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Tomos
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Posted - 12 Jun 2007 : 11:13:18 PM
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Hi Lynne, Iberian is a generic term for all horses originating from the Iberian penisula (Spain & Portugal) so covers Lusitanos, Andalusians, Alter Reals, Hispano Arabes, Tres Sangues etc
I have ridden Lusitanos in Portugal and had our own Spanish stallion , their action is high, they have very open elbows which allows great flexibility, and amazing lateral work.
We have Hispano Arabe stallions, the straight cross between the arab and pure bred spanish horse, personally I prefer their action as you get the power of the spanish horse combined with the length of stride of the arab, they look pretty good too !
There are some photos of them on our website
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traceyjoanne
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Posted - 12 Jun 2007 : 11:21:44 PM
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I have a 2 year old andalusian filly she is very high in knee action and very thick set got a hugh neck on her
Iberian is as mandy says covering spain and portugal the lusitano is the portugese version of the andalusian but dont think they are as thick set as the andi |
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jane79
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Posted - 12 Jun 2007 : 11:23:15 PM
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| hi lynne, i heard them announce the class over the tannot @ warrington but didnt think to mention,dont remember it being on last year-maybe they will be @ cheshire??? not looked at the catalogue properly yet |
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Arabian Girl
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Posted - 12 Jun 2007 : 11:35:29 PM
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| No Jane...this year was the first time they had the class at Warrington and they flew in a judge especially,,,can you have a look in your catalogue to see if any at Cheshire show.. i am most intrigued...i can see from pictures i have looked at this evening they look like they are on there "Haunches" with there back legs tucked right underneath them which i would imagine gives them lots of prescense (sp) and energy...Lynne |
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Judith S
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Posted - 13 Jun 2007 : 08:13:40 AM
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Mandys Hispano Arabe stallions are delicious & I had the great pleasure to meet her beautiful Spanish stallion just before she very sadly lost him.
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suneanarab
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Posted - 13 Jun 2007 : 10:11:26 AM
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can i just point out the the andalusian doesn't have any arabian blood in it and that it's a misconception that spanish horses do. it's actually barb blood which is totally different to the arabian blood.
not so sure about the lusitano as far as movement goes but the andy should be high stepping with good reach. this is what is looked for when judged for movement. they are both breath taking breeds and fab to ride! |
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jane79
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Posted - 13 Jun 2007 : 8:58:06 PM
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| ok lynne i will have a proper look,did you ticket arrive ok? |
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Arabian Girl
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Posted - 13 Jun 2007 : 10:33:45 PM
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...yes it did ,,and thank you |
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MinHe
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jaybird
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Posted - 14 Jun 2007 : 9:25:38 PM
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Hi
Went ages ago to ride one of the Spanish horses in a small stud in Kent, absolutely fantastic to ride, please tell me more about you boy Rosanne (listening and looking with one eye), but I always said that if ever thought about owning another I would look at the spanish horses.
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Roseanne
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Posted - 14 Jun 2007 : 10:00:28 PM
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Hello Beryl,
It's hard to explain an Andalusian to an Arab lover. Arabs and Andalusians are similar in that they are frequently depicted as white, muscular and majestic. All the historical pictures of European warhorses carrying kings or queens are on Andalusians. But while they're both 'hotbloods' they're very different.
The Andalusian is much more bulky and sturdy. The eye is more triangular than round, a lot of the Spanish prefer the Roman nosed ones rather than the straight nose (which the Brits like - me included - so Otan is a straight nosed one). The major difference is the gait and the feel of their movement. You hardly feel sitting trot, where on the Arab you have to deliberately sit to it. It's why they're used as stunt horses (HOYS displays ad infinitum) and you see people easily standing up on one foot on their backs and there's little to displace them. They can do the lateral stuff so easily. They're totally comfortable, have huge presence but are gentle giants; their trainability and temperament are extraordinary. Otan's like his Dad Granero (in the yard with all the other stallions and mares hanging over their doors) - you don't have to tie him up; he'll just stand there and wait while you groom him and put his tack on.
But when you get them in the arena and you're schooling them, they turn on. I love riding mine, but I love watching my trainer ride him! He was extremely easy as a stallion (til five years old). Richard and Sue used to drive four stallions together. You'd be hard put to find a better all rounder unless you wanted to event or race!!! |
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Arabian Girl
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Posted - 14 Jun 2007 : 11:22:31 PM
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| Hi Roseanne,,can you post some pics of your boy???Regards Lynne...thank you all for your replies and i have enjoyed clicking on the links that you have all put up...thank you |
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jaybird
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Posted - 15 Jun 2007 : 07:26:04 AM
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Hi Roseanne
Think I would like to know a little more, but perhaps you had better e-mail me regarding this www.Lasimpode.com (contact us)
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Tomos
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Posted - 15 Jun 2007 : 10:12:45 AM
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If anyone wants to find out more about the Spanish horse I would strongly recommend the book Keren mentioned "This is the Spanish Horse " by Juan Llamas. Its a fantastic book on the history and development of the breed, and as a breed handbook very detailed, there are whole chapters on just the eyes, the ears , the forelegs and so on.
I was lucky enough to meet Juan Llamas when he judged at the Spanish Breed Show some years ago, he is passionate about the breed. and this is evident throughout the book.
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polly
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Posted - 15 Jun 2007 : 11:16:35 AM
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We have an Andalucian here , we met him in the Alpujarras Mountains on a riding holiday and he,..well..ended up here on our Yard in Somerset..! He has the sweetest nature, not the brightest bulb in the box , learns new things with ease, suits dressage, has natural elevation, lives with our Arabs , and even does the odd 20mile endurance ride. We call him our honourary Arab.
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suneanarab
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Posted - 15 Jun 2007 : 12:29:27 PM
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| minhe, sorry but they don't have arabian blood, it's been proven with dna testing while researching where breeds came from originally. the only blood came from barbs and not arabians. i will send you the link to the offical research site when i can find it. even the barb influence is very minimal due to so few horses actually taken there. |
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baymops
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Posted - 15 Jun 2007 : 1:47:38 PM
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| Oh my goodness I love Andalusians almost as much as arabs!! I've been to Jerez twice to watch them and they just take my breath away! I would love a dapple grey Andalusian *goesallgoosepimply* |
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Azara
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Posted - 15 Jun 2007 : 3:23:49 PM
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I have two PRE horses, my mare and new stallion (still in Spain) they are wonderful breed and I just wish I had discovered them years earlier.
I particularly admire the Bocado and Guardiola lines, although my mare is mostly Yeguada Militar and Bohorquez breeding. My stallion is of Granda origins.
They are clever, brave intelligent horses who bond very strongly with their owner.
I also ride and train in Portugal with Luis Filipe Oliveira on his Lusitano stallions. The Luso is much 'hotter' in temperament (although equally kind and generous, I ride a stallion of Veiga lines.
Everyone should ride an Iberian once in their lives!
Oh and the Sorraia was missed off the list of Iberian breeds and also the Garrano. |
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