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moldequine
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 Posted - 07 Apr 2007 : 1:32:53 PM
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another email from sian!!
I am 100% sure that she is out of MC Natalie x TC Jabaskman, I dont think
that she is as old as you think as I remember showing her as a foal in 1992.
Kind regards
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moldequine
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Posted - 07 Apr 2007 : 1:34:20 PM
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| so it looks like my mare is younger than thought!! |
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Barabia
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Posted - 07 Apr 2007 : 3:25:10 PM
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In that case your mare is not registrered 'moldequine', OR maybe 'sian' mixed up the years!? What a mess this is, poor you!!!
Arabian Horse Progeny for TC JABASKMAN
2 records found.
Name Number Foaled Gender Color Dam
JABASK MARHARA AHSB*30310 1993 Stallion Bay JABASKS SABRINA (Bred by Pegi)
LAYLA JABASK AHSB*26591 1994 Mare Bay MC NATALIE (Bred by Mollie)
Layla might be gray you know, but Sian didn't breed her!??
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Barabia
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Posted - 07 Apr 2007 : 4:27:55 PM
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Afterthoughts... being reading all posts and looking at this picture of your mares teeth, I think she must be around 20 years. I do now belive that she is MC Natalie born 1986!!
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Adara_Arabians
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Posted - 07 Apr 2007 : 5:03:50 PM
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| What MC Naterlie Jabask or just MC Naterlie? If she is MC Naterlie then she is my mares Dam |
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Barabia
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Posted - 07 Apr 2007 : 7:08:19 PM
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Hi Lauren,
MC Natalie Jabask is black/darkbay, so I mean that this photo shows MC NATALIE, not an 12-13 years mare!
You and 'moldequine' could take bloodsamples from the mares for testing, that will show if they are related. It would be nice to know!
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moldequine
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Posted - 07 Apr 2007 : 7:18:45 PM
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| Hi sian said that m c natalie died whilst foaling, so its definately not her and m c natalie jabask is definately browm black so i cant be her either!! i will ask sain to check her dates! |
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halona stud
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Posted - 07 Apr 2007 : 7:37:55 PM
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Well if she is right and your mare foaled in 1992, did she say that she was never registered? I take it she can not remember a name. Poor you, you must be getting frustrated!
I have found out that my grey, if Sian is correct, is JABASK AL KHORA as JABASK ELZARA had a foal last year to a friends stallion and is Mold. That would make her a 10 year, which is only one year older than I was told, but near enough... |
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moldequine
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Posted - 07 Apr 2007 : 7:47:48 PM
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| i might know him!! it is getting a bit confusing! but hopefully we will find out who she is soon. |
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Barabia
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moldequine
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Posted - 07 Apr 2007 : 8:35:38 PM
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| will have to wait and see if her markings match as i have sent them to ahs. Is that definitely all of m c natalies registered progency or could there be more !! |
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Barabia
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Posted - 07 Apr 2007 : 8:57:46 PM
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That 6 is the only ones being registrered. She was born 1982, and her last registrered foal was born 1995 (a stallion). I wonder what year she died? If she had any more foal (not reg.) it would be to young to be your mare. What did the Vet. say about her, was it him/her who guessed the age 20'??
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moldequine
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Posted - 07 Apr 2007 : 9:05:41 PM
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| It was a horse dentist, he is really good! he aged her at approx 18 or 19 last year |
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Barabia
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Posted - 07 Apr 2007 : 9:16:48 PM
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The dentists are usually very good! I do belive that your mare is Lady Bethany as I said before. I hope that you will get the answer from AHS very quick after the holidays!
Relax until then, and have a happy Easter!
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moldequine
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Posted - 07 Apr 2007 : 10:07:38 PM
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| thanks!! hope you have a nice easter too!! |
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Rozy Rider
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Posted - 07 Apr 2007 : 11:46:06 PM
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I've just been through all of this and I can't find a report of any foal born in 1992, out of MC Natalie at all...
Barbara have you come accross any record that says she had a foal in 1991 or 1992...
The other thing I thought about was, Can anyone turn up the Show Catalogue for the Royal Welsh in 1992 to confirm this mare was there then,it may have the sex of the foal listed...
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Barabia
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Posted - 08 Apr 2007 : 12:07:56 AM
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Hi Sue, you may call me Bia (not important)!
Her progeny is listed on side 3 in this thread. She had no foal (reg.) at 1992. And 1991 she had C(?) Bint Natalie who belong to Adara Arabian in another thread! I agree with you, all of this is very confusing?
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Sian
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Posted - 08 Apr 2007 : 06:32:11 AM
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Hi there
I have read all of your questions and answers.
Firstly to Lauren - for sure your mare is Bint Natalie she is a bay mare out of Mc Natalie which was a grey mare from the USA.
Regarding the grey mare from Moldequine - I know for a fact that she is a mare that we called "Sophie" - I think that her paperwork was never done and if you check with the AHS MC Natalie has no registered progeny in the year of 1992. I never saw a passport for this mare, but for sure there is a covering cetificate somewhere.
I have e-mailed Clare who has a Diamond Leda daughter and a Jacici daughter. Pegi owned and bred the Jacici daughter, but a friend of hers (Molly Osborne) owned and bred the chestnut as she owned the mare. For sure a covering certificate was sent to the AHS for her.
Pegi Jones came out to Qatar in 1996 with a load of 10 horses for a client, she has since then moved out here and has not been back in the UK since 1998. The horses were left in the care of her son Tomas when she went out to Qatar and her late husband John who passed away a few years back. After her husbands passing the horses were sold from post to post, and were neglected and in poor condition. Unaware that she no longer had any of the horses Pegi stayed out here, untill 2 years ago her daughters went home to Wales to find that everything had gone, and they were given one story after the other. It is such a sad tale for Pegi, as she worked her whole life for the breeding and care of the Jabask horse, and were very succesfull in the showing arena.
I do hope that you will all be succesfull in finding out more about these horses and I do hope for Pegi's and their sake that they get a nice happy home and will be well cared for. I have been in contact with Lauren for quite sometime and we are doing the best we can to locate these horses, the simple fact being that they ment a lot to their breeder.
Out in Qatar, Pegi has 8 of her Bask horses left, which have been doing well for her in the Endurance and in the Shows.
If you need anything you are most welcome to contact me via my e-mail as I would love to help.
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halona stud
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Posted - 08 Apr 2007 : 07:34:22 AM
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| Thanks Sian for all the information - I have found Mollies phone number (you had remembered it correctly), I will give her a ring at a more reasonable hour. |
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halona stud
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Posted - 08 Apr 2007 : 07:51:22 AM
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Moldequine - I too am a horse dentist and sometimes outside factors can make a horses teeth look much older than they are - ie, windsucking, cribbing, poor pastures, poor diet, injury from a kick or fall etc etc - it is very hard to estimate a teenagers(plus) age without knowing the history and conditions. But hey it is good news as she will give you a lot more good years now. Your horses teeth are still very straight rather than angeling towards her lips (as older horses do) and they are still full length (meaning they are still growing/have root coming through) and not worn stumps (no growth/root left) like some horses in their twenties. But none of this is a science and horses of the same ages teeth can vary drastically depending on outside factors as I have said.
Note the angle of the teeth of this 21 year old. |
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halona stud
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Posted - 08 Apr 2007 : 10:06:35 AM
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Hi,
I have just spoken to Mollie Osborne, she was very helpful and I am ringing back later when she has had a look at the her paperwork.
She said that some of the horses were sold through Malvern Sales and that the rest (about 12) went to a Mr Jones in Anglesea - which ties in with what we know where my two and Moldequines came from prior to Mr Savage having them. This all happened about 3-4 years ago. My two have been pretty much unhandled since birth, which explains why they are taking so long to come around now. Ledas Gold, the full brother to my chestnut died very young. Mollie doesn't think that a covering certificate was ever sent to the AHS for my mare, so I am not sure if I will ever be able to get papers for her, seeing as their may not be DNA for a stallion born in 1978 and who is long since dead.
Can anyone find information on the current owner of Diamond Leda, if she is still alive? |
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moldequine
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Posted - 08 Apr 2007 : 11:15:15 AM
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| sian is sure she is a mare out of m c natalie and t c jabaskman but not registered! so she is 15! which is good, she did look old when the dentist came as she had very bad teeth and she has lost ten years now her teeth are done, he is coming back in 5 months so will see how old he thinks she is then, he will have forgotten that he had aged her before! |
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moldequine
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Posted - 08 Apr 2007 : 11:35:13 AM
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| sian is asking that can we all try our best to trace all the others!! |
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moldequine
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Posted - 08 Apr 2007 : 11:40:17 AM
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| I will ring mollie tommorow to see if she has a covering certificate for my mare! |
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Rozy Rider
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Posted - 08 Apr 2007 : 1:04:47 PM
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This is probable the lady who was in Chepstow in the 1970ies and had Attallah(1971).
I also, remember several arab youngsters sold at Malvern ( foals & yearlings I think, and many colts/geldings)in the late 1990ies, many went for £60, and one lady bought up a load,those that went for £60 ended up with a dealer from B'hill and after the girls had their pick the rest went for meat. I lost my mare the same year 1998 in Octiober, so I think it was the September sale 1998 (or 1997) and rang the dealer to see what he'd got left, but, he'd sent the remaining for killing... someone will have the catalogue for this sale and ...others will remember this....might be worth asking
Brightwell,
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Edited by - Rozy Rider on 08 Apr 2007 1:13:04 PM |
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