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bridie
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 Posted - 20 Jul 2007 : 09:06:55 AM
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Who do you need to find from the stud books? I will try to help.
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Rozy Rider
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Posted - 21 Jul 2007 : 12:55:43 AM
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| Hi Mandy, Turned out wet again...got sun burnt yesterday & suffered from rust today. Thanks for your offer of help, Peggy Wynn Jones owned the horses originally & I think the stud was called 'Gellidara',it was in Nth Wales, and had several stallions & mares imported from the US, from the GG Jabask/ TC Jabaskman/Secret Partner and Others Line, a long list of lovely horses bred in Wales, but some, escaped registration and fell on hard times.Wonder if you'd take a look and see what the register says. Thanks Sue ( thanks for the time table). |
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bridie
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Posted - 21 Jul 2007 : 09:08:01 AM
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What years am I looking for? I will do it today as its too wet to do anything else.
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Rozy Rider
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Posted - 21 Jul 2007 : 09:58:15 AM
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I think you'll need more than just today and I think if you go back 20years you might just be into the time frame. TC Jabaskman who is still at stud in wales today, was shown at Malvern in 1999.There were several stallions in use, most imported from the US or home bred. Sophie (pic of these lines) is at least 15 and may be older up to 20y.. so if you could look at around 1980 and see if anything comes up for mares in that time frame and any stallions registerd to this family. Penny Long has just had one for sale from this family a 5year old, and she bought it from Anglsey. Joan Rawnsley has Rosegay *24324 who she bought a few years back from that way for £250. There must be loads bred over the years.Page 5, says there were 110 horses left there and several went to Brightwells Malvern sale, same year as Fluffy died, Jerry had 60 for killing. Sian & Molly both have some knowledge.
Secret Partner came to the UK in 1988, it says Ronald & Darlene Evans as owners. Sophie is the mare were looking for breeding for.
*SECRET PARTNER
Foal Date 19 May 1982 Grey Stallion
Sire PARTNER PASB*2665 Grey 1970
Dam *ARKA PASB AHR*291965 Grey 1976
Dam's Sire EL PASO PASB*2409 Bay 1967
Breeder: MICHALOW STATE STUD FARM
Owners:
RONALD AND DARLENE EVANS 05-March-2002
ANDREW LIPKA AND KARL KNORR 01-November-1985
ANDREW LIPKA AND MARY ANGELA JONES
Year 1988 From US To UK Registration #AHSB*17246 (No owner rec.)
Arabian Horse Progeny for *SECRET PARTNER
16 records found.
Name Number Foaled Gender Color Dam
BAS SECRET LADY AHR*352268 06 Jan 1986 Mare Grey TONGA SILZONIA
MAGIC GINN AHR*376401 09 May 1986 Mare Grey KAMARITA
SECRET DEWIZA AHSB*22905 1991 Mare Grey NA DISCRETA
CHOPIN AHSB*23823 1992 Stallion Grey NA DISCRETA
SECRET DANCE AHSB*27655 1995 Mare Grey NA DISCRETA
JABASK WATEZ AHSB*30309 1996 Stallion Grey JABASK SPINNER
JABASK ELZARA AHSB*30311 1996 Mare Grey JACICI
JABASK CHALLENGER AHSB*30353 1996 Stallion Grey MC MADCHENS JABAK
JABASK AZAR AHSB*30354 1996 Stallion Grey MC NATALIE JABASK
FIRST SECRET AHSB*30365 1997 Stallion Grey NA DISCRETA
JABASK AL KHORA AHSB*30312 1997 Mare Grey JACICI
SECRET LEGEND AHSB*30317 1997 Mare Grey JUST A LEGEND
MAJOR PATRICK AHSB*30349 1997 Stallion Grey MC DEERWOOD JUSTA
CAERA LLEYN ARABELLA AHSB*29232 1997 Mare Grey ECCOMI
CAERA LLEYN GWENLLI AHSB*30257 1997 Mare Grey CASI JABASK
SECRET HEART AHSB*31372 1998 Stallion Grey JUST A LEGEND |
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moldequine
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Posted - 21 Jul 2007 : 12:27:40 PM
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Hi
Thankyou all very much for your help. Just thought ide mention the grey arab mare on project horses called NURBIBI, 14.3 registered arab mare. she is for sale as a possible broodmare for £500, looks a nice mare! or is anyone looking for her!
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Rozy Rider
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Posted - 22 Jul 2007 : 12:22:32 AM
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| Molde, Can you add anything that might help Mandy in her search.. & can you tell us who they said she was by and anything else that might help...Sue |
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bridie
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Posted - 22 Jul 2007 : 08:50:02 AM
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Am I just looking for Peggy Jones ? or someone else because I looked through a few stud books last night and only found 3, all of which we already know about!!!!!! so perhaps the mystery deepens . What a mess.
Mandy
PS do we know how many horses were actually left with the son ? and why !!!! |
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moldequine
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Posted - 22 Jul 2007 : 12:04:14 PM
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Mollie osbourne looked after the horses with pegi`s son when pegi went abroad, pegi didnt know her son sold them untill it was too late. I am not sure exactly how many but i think there was about 100 of them but i might be wrong, alot of them went to the sales but 12 ended up with mr savage in North wales, thats where i got my mare from and also so did helona stud get her two mares. Sian says my mare is out of m c natalie and by tc jabaskman but she says she is 15 and my dentist says she is more like 20. |
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Rozy Rider
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Posted - 22 Jul 2007 : 5:09:55 PM
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| Jabask Sophie was born in 1992, if its that one...thats not a lot different from her age from her teeth...17 this time...Do we know what year Peggi left was it around 1997. |
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bridie
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Posted - 22 Jul 2007 : 5:35:56 PM
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I have now read the entire thread and made some notes so I will go off again and consult the stud books but dont hold your breath.....they probably never registered yours either.
Still dont understand how anyone can just leave 100 horses and go to the other side of the world!!!!
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Rozy Rider
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Posted - 23 Jul 2007 : 01:01:51 AM
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| In 1969,There was only one mare recoreded with J.P.Jones, Pwllheli, Caerns. That was Shillada.1964. |
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halona stud
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Posted - 31 Jul 2007 : 4:51:28 PM
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Hi everyone,
Have just caught up on this thread as I thought it was all over.
The story as I remember it is that 8 to 12 Arabs were sold by Peggy's son to a man in Anglesea (the blonde(ish) one that goes to Beeston). He sold just these three to John Savage. He had kept a couple I think, I know I saw a lovely Arab Bay Stallion at Beeston with this man only last year, I think he was about 15, he wasn't sold. Sian do you know who this stallion might be? Also, he kept a few mares I think, but he may have sold these by now too - what happened to the others I dont know. Mollie also told me she didn't remember your girls flesh mark, but then both of mine have the flesh mark also and she didn't think they did either, but she has also sent me a picture of my chestnut as a foal and there she is with a flesh mark, identical blaze and sock - I am in no doubt that mine are who they are supposed to be. Also aging a horse that has been neglected at sometime can be very deceiving. Another of my mares (not negelected but a windsucker) whom I have only had a year, but her teeth have aged at least three years in that time - so you see it has a lot to do with outside influences. If these mares have been fighting for short blades of grass meaning they grind on sand or eating fencing, trees etc etc means that their truth may not reflect their true age, especially as your mare seems to have had some teeth knocked out meaning that others have moved and grown into their space.
Why dont you take blood or mane samples (depending on how Sophies parents have been sampled) and send them to weatherbys in Ireland (AHS can arrange this for you) and they will 100% be able to confirm if the parents of Sophie are infact the parents of your mare.
Or you could send hair samples to a DNA testing place (normally in the USA) and they will give you your horses DNA profile (probably weatherbys will do this) and then you can compare to all the Stallions who are likely to be her sire - and once the sire has been identified, and if she isn't Sophie maybe that will jog Sians/Mollies memory of who she might be.
I never did get to the bottom of which the horses did go to Anglesea but if you give me your email address Racheal I will send you Mollies phone number.
Bye for now Clare
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moldequine
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Rozy Rider
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Posted - 01 Aug 2007 : 12:43:16 AM
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| Hi Clare, Does anyone know what stallions they had and used over the years, I understand Tc Jabaskman is still in wales and covering. Also, Don't forget that Penny Long had a 4year old for sale just afew weeks ago,that came from Angelsey, from this same place. Sue |
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halona stud
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Posted - 01 Aug 2007 : 1:08:33 PM
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Hi Rachel,
It doesn't matter if Sophie is registered or not, the DNA taken from the blood or the mane of your mare will prove if Sophies parents are in fact the parents of your mare, if they are not then she isn't Sophie, if they are then she is either Sophie or a full sister to Sophie. Have emailed your Mollies number - good luck with your lovely new mare by the way.
Hi Sue,
Yes I do remember that Peggy's son did breed a couple of Arabs after Peggy left, so maybe the four year old is one of these. Or maybe the Anglesea dealer is breeding from them himself, it must be getting on for four years now since these horses were sold - I've had my girls for nearly two years, John Savage had them a year, they also spent sometime with someone else in North Wales before John purchased them back for Peggy. Plus however long they were in Anglesea for. I missed the Penny Long bit, has he/she been sold now? I only know of the stallions that were mentioned on here. I now that Crystal Leda's full brother Leda's Gold didn't make it to adulthood. The bay stallion was very striking, and well behaved, I wished I'd purchased him now. Clare |
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moldequine
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Posted - 01 Aug 2007 : 5:38:38 PM
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Rang AHS today and they have lost my markings again, unbelievable!!! They did tell me though that Layla jabask is grey not bay and mc natalie jabask is bay not grey. so i think she could be layla jabask! |
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Rozy Rider
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Posted - 02 Aug 2007 : 12:09:00 AM
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Looks as if the 4year old is still for sale,she's by TC Jabaskman out of Sondas Jabask. born 2003.says she's registered and her name is down as Vienna (in the link) http://pengarvic.co.uk/Vienna.html
There are very few arabs recorded on the allbreeds by TC Jabaskman, you would think at his age now there would be more than three.
Wonder if Bia is atill with us, and she could look to see if there are registered foals for TC Jabaskman, and what dates, most resent. and also for Sondas Jabask.
Sophies Jabask looks as if she could well have been out of Natalie, if you remember someone checked the Royal Welsh show catalogue for the foal shown in 1991, with her mother and that all checked out, just one year out, so Molly does have the knowledge and remebers. |
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Barabia
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Posted - 02 Aug 2007 : 2:34:27 PM
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I'm here Sue!
There is still only two foals recorded in AHR Database for TC Jabaskman (Layla Jabask is the last one, born 1994), and no new ones for Sondas Jabask!
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moldequine
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Posted - 02 Aug 2007 : 3:45:22 PM
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| Hi spoke to molly today and she isnt sure that my mare is sophie, said a couple of grey mares went with the 12 that went to mr jones, i sent her pics and she showed tom and tom said it didnt look like sophie and they said sophie was a bulky mare and not a fine mare, heather is a fine mare! To be honest i think she is sophie as Sian is 100% certain and she was the owner! |
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moldequine
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Posted - 03 Aug 2007 : 10:31:12 AM
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Hi
I just realised that i bought a mare two years ago from kieth jones from beeston, she came off mr savage!! she was a pure bred grey arab, 15 years old and bulkier than my mare with no flesh mark. I have been speaking to mollie about this and she said that sounds more like sophie! right age too! i sold this mare to the west midlands and have lost contact. she was a lovely mare! so i am convinced that seren is sophie and my mare is older!! so who could my mare be? Im thinking posibly Jabask sakara who is 24 years, mc lady misteri who is 21 years, could be lady bethany who is 19 but she hasnt bred any foals and my mare definately did! just a legend is another but not sure of age or if its male or female. Could someone find out what colour mc lady miseri and just a legend are? i know lady bethany and jabask sakara are grey! |
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moldequine
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Posted - 03 Aug 2007 : 11:17:55 AM
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| SHE COULD ALSO BE JABASK SABRINA BUT DONT KNOW DATE OF BIRTH OR COLOUR! |
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bridie
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Posted - 03 Aug 2007 : 11:51:17 AM
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Jabasks Sabrina is registered as b. 1986 Bred by Dynasty Arabians.
By JJ Jabask out of Dynasty Sabrina.
Just a legend is grey. |
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moldequine
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Posted - 03 Aug 2007 : 12:48:07 PM
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| ANY IDEA WHAT COLOUR MC LADY MISTERI IS AND WHO BRED HER? |
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moldequine
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Posted - 03 Aug 2007 : 12:51:31 PM
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| I HAVE EMAILED SIAN AND WAITING A REPLY AND ALSO SENT BETTER PICTURES! MOLLY IS GOING TO ASK TOM IF HE REMEMBERS ANY OTHER GREY ARABS GOING TO MR JONES. |
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bridie
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Posted - 03 Aug 2007 : 1:25:22 PM
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MC Lady Misteri is registered as b. 1986. Bred by Bru Bet arabians.
in 1996 she had a grey filly- Jabask Faheilan and in 1997 another grey filly- Jabask Amira, both by Estamera and bred by Pegi Jones. |
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