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Libby Frost
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United Kingdom
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 Posted - 17 Nov 2003 : 4:32:05 PM
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| Their not trendy,that's why no one is interested,if you put certain handlers on the end of the lead rope and sent 'em into the ring you see a big change!!!!!Dare i type that? Better batten down the hatches........ |
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heatherr
Platinum Member
England
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Posted - 17 Nov 2003 : 5:14:57 PM
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Atta girl Libby, this has stirred things up!!!!
Nick I agree wholeheartedly about judging the horse and not the label, it just seems a shame that what the Crabbet stud set out to achieve is being lost - when you look at things from a heritage point of view, but yes on the other hand I know you will counter with the fact that all Arabians came from Egypt and that the gene pool is small enough anyway, so there should be no difference between an "English" bred Arab and an Egyptian bred one and that the Crabbet stud would have continued to source bloodstock from Egypt, which is what other studs have done since their closure in 1971.
Judging a horse is sooooooo subjective though, what one person sees as beauty another will see as ugly, so if there can be no right or wrong (other than poor conformation)no one is ever going to agree I guess that's why some get so upset how horses are judged.
Or maybe this is the mad ramblings of a fool. I'm off to muck out.... the aroma of horse poo does send you a bit stange after a while you know
Heather 
 
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pat ww
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 17 Nov 2003 : 9:03:16 PM
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Just a thought. Is it because when Crabbett started the eye of the buyer was for a RIDING horse, that happened to be Arabian and have a unique look?
Today we are looking for a TYPE which embodies the most extreme and exotic examples, dare I say at the expense of some of the qualities necessary to make a good ridden animal?
And yes, both Crusader and Atlantica raced, but would they be suitable for the less experienced riders? The essence to me of Crabbet is the sane temperament as a ridden horse. My nieces aged 6 and 8 rode our old mare without a leader, but same mare could out trot every other horse we met, even 17 hands. She could be pulled up and stand from a racing gallop on the beach, then CATCH UP to the other horses!
And she was taken 'straight from the field' to a fifth in hand at a "C" show by a first time showing teenager. Her daughter and my other Crabbet mare have the same attitude, so I'm hoping to be back in the saddle one day (after serious weight loss!!!) |
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Varaina
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 17 Nov 2003 : 10:29:15 PM
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Just thought I'd add a little bit to this subject, from a personal point of view I feel there is good and bad in every line of breeding, whether it be crabbet,eygption,polish etc, the important thing is to look at horses potential, and what they can offer each other as mating partners!!!! Personally I like crabbet crossed with maybe foreign blood, the crabbet giving the good strong limbs/body etc and the foreign blood introducing refinement and type. With the right combinations all can offer good to the breed!!!
Fiona Grant-Chivers
ps I won the Overall novice ridden championship at malvern with a 3/4 crabbet mare |
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MO Moor
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 17 Nov 2003 : 11:00:04 PM
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As previously mentioned, i do like Crabbets and admire their mentality as generally they are sane, fiendly happy chaps. Also have to say that i have a mare whos Grand sire is General Gold and has alot of Crabbet breeding on her dams side, and she is BLACK! She also has black foals. She is quite perfect for me as she has the build of a good sturdy Crabbet, perfect temperment but is also black. The ulitimate for me!
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heatherr
Platinum Member
England
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Posted - 18 Nov 2003 : 09:05:04 AM
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Wow A BLACK Crabett??
Kerry get some piccies posted on here please please please please
Heather
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primrosepye
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Posted - 18 Nov 2003 : 2:16:32 PM
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On the colour theme - must admit that chesnuts can be really striking - but for a black Arab...... childhood dreams were made of these |
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MO Moor
Silver Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 18 Nov 2003 : 11:06:57 PM
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She is Crabbet related through her dams line. Pat Westwood actually had the foresight to breed her and to whom i give many thanks.
I do have piccies of her but am awful on the computer with regards to sending them. We put an ad in AHS black issue, and she is in there with her foal "Jetsan". Her name is "Shani" and she is in one of the piccies with Jetsan.
Whilst on the subject of chestnut, blaze and socks. I have a flaxen chestnut russian/polish who is from bays and greys then voila, heres a chestnut. He is a real throw back to some english in his breeding and many mistake him for crabbet.
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Edited by - MO Moor on 18 Nov 2003 11:08:24 PM |
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Samantha_M
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Posted - 19 Nov 2003 : 4:41:58 PM
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Hi
Someone asked about Crabbet stallions? My 97% Crabbet mare is in foal to PHA Silvern Risalm (I can't wait for April!) and he's 99.9% Crabbet. Imad is in the high Crabbet numbers. Then there's horses like Prince Sadik, Grecian Idyll etc.
As well as joining the mailing list, it any of you want to advertise in the newsletter please contact either myself or Tanya.
Happy Crabbeting!
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razgold
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USA
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Posted - 19 Nov 2003 : 6:02:50 PM
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I sent my mare to Imad last year and have a very beautiful filly foal by him. I was looking for something else but do not want to travel my mare miles to find one. She has 5000 miles to travel in the next few months when we go to the States.
Where about is PHA Silvern Risalm?
Sue
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pat ww
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 19 Nov 2003 : 11:24:46 PM
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Hi Sue, have you had the directory produced by Caroline Sussex. it lists GSB and Old English breeders.
have you seen the Whitlows Kosmos? By Aboud out of a Militaire daughter, reasonable stud fee as they don't take visiting mares usually, due to lack of space for them. all the fields are working farm, cattle oriented. he would probably suit your mare.
There is also a bay Crabbet by African?? (Pat Westwoods old stallion) out Caerarfon way. he is a softie and does ridden classes.
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georgiauk
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 20 Nov 2003 : 12:19:27 AM
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| Where is Kosmos? I adore Aboud and you can't go far wrong with King Cotton in the line up (IMO!). |
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pat ww
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Posted - 20 Nov 2003 : 08:48:13 AM
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Kosmos is in Cheshire close to Warrington, so he would be really close for Sue. The Whitlows have Imad daughters out of Militare mares as well, and although their horse side is small by comparison, you can't knock the quality, every one looks like a life long ridden prospect that could win in hand as well.
I think he would also suit my Shogun mare, as not too many close up relatives in common. |
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razgold
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bridie
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 20 Nov 2003 : 5:53:07 PM
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| Mrs Westwoods old stallion was African Gold, he is my mares sire. |
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suyents
Platinum Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 21 Nov 2003 : 09:30:43 AM
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AT LAST Mandy!!!
So you have found yourself a horse, was beginning to wonder whether i had hallucinated tha entire conversation with you when you returned from viewing!!...Or do you mean Taz's sire???
OOPS, maybe i did hallucinate after all.....Did you get the email i sent you a couple of weeks ago in reply to yours?
Suyen.xx |
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bridie
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 21 Nov 2003 : 09:55:35 AM
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Hi Suyen, no you didnt hallucinate, we did have a converstaion about a mare lol the one from Oxford way sadly I am cursed, hence my spleen venting in timewasters post, so no am still looking (or maybe not) for a mare. The owners decided they wanted to keep her after all, so good news for the mare I suppose . Yes African Gold is Taz`s sire. No sorry didnt get your e.mail. Hope all is well down there.
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Mike
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Eire
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Posted - 21 Nov 2003 : 1:57:08 PM
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I just wondered if anyone has or remembers seeing a picture of the Crabbet bred (foaled 1952) stallion Exceptional (The Chief X Extra Special by Oran). He was exported to South Africa as a colt, so there may not be any pictures of him . I would love to know what he looked like though anyone any ideas? My interest is pure curiosity as he was one of the last SE's bred at Crabbet and his name makes me think that he must have been something special Or I assume that Lady W must have thought so when she named him
Mike
http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/soufian
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suyents
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 21 Nov 2003 : 9:27:02 PM
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Oh Mandy,
What a disappointment, she looked stunning in the photo.
i think you have a gremlin in your pc that diverts all my emails...obviously a voyeur!!
take care. xx |
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suneanarab
Platinum Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 24 Nov 2003 : 10:02:11 AM
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great tread!
all our horses are crabbet related, i just love the type. having gone down the egyptian line with one horse, i must say that i was very disappointed. we have our young stallion who is out of a high crabbet mare but buy an american stallion who is egypian with some crabbet. he is lovely but must say that he is on the finer side, not really my type. but must also say that he has proved to be an excellent sire. his stock have won and been placed but still take after their high crabbet mums.
there are some wonderfull non crabbet horses out their that are really good ridden types. but i must agree with the flimsy whimsies being far from what crabbet were aiming for, most def not my type.
www.zyworld.com/suneanarabians
suzanne walsh
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Vygoda
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United Arab Emirates
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Posted - 24 Nov 2003 : 4:04:15 PM
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I am a new memeber hence this rather late posting!!
Don't you think one of the problems with the word Crabbet is that it doesn't cover any full brothers or sisters not used at Crabbet Park? Mrs Archer's GSB terminology is much better, methinks.
I am a breeder of 'Crabbet' arabians and our problem with people outside seems to be that they regard us as slightly crazy, not in touch with the times even though the lines we are using appear in many of their horses'pedigrees.
And dare I say that breeding for a piece of paper just for the pedigree rather than for a good horse/the horse itself is very negative? There are many Crabbet stallions in the UK but how many would you send your mare to hoping to get a better foal than sire and dam?
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Indalo
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 24 Nov 2003 : 5:02:35 PM
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Vygoda / Jane
Wondered when you would join the forum? Hope you are well? Haven't heard from you in a while, did you get my emails?
I am sure you can add some interesting experience amd views to the topics on the forum.
With Love |
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Kristi Belle
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 24 Nov 2003 : 5:11:34 PM
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I too got the crabbet newsletter and really enjoyed it! I love crabbet horses, of all our horses there is only one without crabbet blood.
Hello suzanne! I have just been on your website, love the new pictures you have up of White Marah, that is the first body shoot i have seen of her - and what a lovely body it is!!! I can see alot of Marah in Etazra. Might show her next year, just trying to remember if there is a beautiful show horse under all the layers of mud! Hope you and your horses are well!
KristiBelle
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Deboniks
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England
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Posted - 26 Nov 2003 : 9:06:31 PM
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I have a chestnut Crabbet gelding. I think he is 100%. Anyway he is stunning (though i say so myself!!) And everytime someone posts a picture of a chestnut gelding I say 'Wow he looks just like my horse!' How stupid of me? As they all look very simular don't you think?
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