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RUTHIE
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 Posted - 04 Sep 2012 : 6:36:12 PM
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But none of us have the facts thats my point.Iam not backing Zareeba, but her point is her side of the story and not because I don't believe the story.....but we have to wait for the court hearing before we run this down. Heavens above, I didn't deserve that attack. I'm glad Iam not in the dock, if we go on what the press print. Why can't you all wait until the hearing, then the truth will be out. We are not judge and jury. On that, I bow out of Arabianlines, as Iam saddened by your posts. Dosen't matter what I say now does it, guilty as charged. |
     
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joanna_piana
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Posted - 04 Sep 2012 : 6:44:40 PM
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| Um the hearing has been and gone and they are guilty as charged |
      
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Pop
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Posted - 04 Sep 2012 : 7:16:33 PM
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Don't go Ruthie, your sense of fair play and understanding are so valuable here.
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Delyth
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Posted - 04 Sep 2012 : 7:47:04 PM
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| Ruthie - the case has been heard and they have both been found guilty. Their 'excuses' being it was -20 degress and they couldn't muck out and that they had flu. No vets were called and no dentists had seen these old horses. They await sentencing pending a report into their mental health. On that, I bow out briefly to think of the poor three that died because of inexcusable neglect. :( |
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Callisto
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Posted - 04 Sep 2012 : 7:54:55 PM
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Please don't go Ruthie, I agree with Pop, we need people like you on this forum.
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cmj
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France
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Posted - 04 Sep 2012 : 8:08:10 PM
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Laminitis so bad it had to be put down on site......now that's bad. Such a painful disease, how long had he suffered? There are worse cases but this is particularly sickening in terms of who perpetrated it. Defo no "ignorance" defence here methinks.
Ruthie - don't go please. |
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basbob
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Posted - 04 Sep 2012 : 8:47:18 PM
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| Sure this isn't the first occurrence and it really won't be the last. Poor things.... |
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debs
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alison
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Posted - 04 Sep 2012 : 9:05:19 PM
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| Delyth I also bow out and send prayers to the unfortunate and helpless horses that have suffered due to pure stupidity and selfish pride of very selfish people. |
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Vik1
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Posted - 04 Sep 2012 : 9:14:07 PM
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I know of knowledgeable people who are just plain lazy. Or they know what they need to do but just never 'get round to it'. One person in particular I very nearly reported for neglect. This person was also a friend and really shocked me that she really was that lazy. It got to the point I was waking up at night crying I was so distressed by it. In the end I had it out with her. She admitted it was laziness, was embarrassed and has been ok since but there will be no 2nd chances. If it slips again, I will report. She does also have depression which didnt help matters and its hard to be motivated.
It can be so hard to deal with when you know the person well but at the end of the day neglect is neglect and its sad in this case that it got to the stage it did. |
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Callisto
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Posted - 04 Sep 2012 : 9:26:41 PM
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| I think it should be noted that this case does involve mental illness, this does not excuse any suffering caused, but this was not just a case of people not being bothered, or being intentionally cruel. |
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phoenixbruka
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Posted - 04 Sep 2012 : 10:24:13 PM
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sorry callisto, I dont buy that at all, these are very VERY knowlegeable people who at the very LEAST should have picked up a phone to a dentist a vet and a farrier,and preferably paid someone a to muck out if they couldnt manage it.
There are NO EXCUSES for this.
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Callisto
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Posted - 04 Sep 2012 : 11:19:26 PM
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The fact that they are very knowledgeable people who did not take the steps that a rational person would have done indicates to me that they found themselves in a very bad place, if you have any experience of someone with a mental illness you would realise that what appears to be an obvious solution to problems for you and I is not the case at all for those that are suffering.
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Pop
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Posted - 04 Sep 2012 : 11:31:25 PM
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I would imagine, that, if you have slipped in standards to a very bad place, due to reasons we cannot at this time identify with, then calling in professionals, like equine dentists, might seem quite frightening; and the spiral continues down.
For me, its so very sad, that maybe people can fear judgement so much that even those of such previous good reputation, would find themselves in such a dark place; and their horses there too.
Perhaps there are ways in which we can help.
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Kazzy
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Posted - 05 Sep 2012 : 08:38:37 AM
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There were two of them in charge of the horses, did they both have mental illness's??????
Justice seems to have prevailed in this case.
If and when the time comes to have your horses PTS you cant go through with it for your own feelings then in my opinion you shouldnt have them and that in my opinion is cruelty aswell.
Its hard so very hard to let go but as caring animal owners/lovers we have to its a fact of life and prolonging their agony is crutely/neglect. The right decision was made by the courts.
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Pop
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Posted - 05 Sep 2012 : 09:36:39 AM
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If the Judge says they are guilty; and the Judge says there should be medical reports; are we to agree with him/her on one and disagree on the other? Rhetorical.
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Pasha
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Posted - 05 Sep 2012 : 09:41:13 AM
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This is all so very sad. I just cannot comprehend how anyone could let their horses get into such a state and live in such filth and I agree 100% that their is no excuse!
Christ how long did they have the flu and -20 for? It would have taken weeks/months of neglect to get that bad!
I can only imagine that they were scared of damaging their 'reputation' to admit they were struggling and ask for help! Get over yourselves and think of your horses!!! |
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M Robson
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Posted - 05 Sep 2012 : 09:50:10 AM
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I never usually like to judge people, but there are no excuses for this neglect, not one. No matter who this woman thinks she is.
I am so,so tired of so called "professionals" constantly letting down our horses, through harmful neglect, mental abuse and just down right greed. The arabian world alone seems to attract some ugly people.
I have been fed the nonsense and have fell for so much rubbish and many excuses from the arabian world alone. Not anymore!
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Kazzy
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Posted - 05 Sep 2012 : 09:59:44 AM
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Agree with what Pasha says, this hasnt happened over a couple of weeks this has been months and months of neglect.
I await the horrific pictures I am told that will prove this.
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Pasch
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Posted - 05 Sep 2012 : 12:20:52 PM
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| Just to say I am very sad for the horses,sad that Ruthie wants to leave,and I agree with Callisto and Pop |
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Offira
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Posted - 05 Sep 2012 : 12:31:08 PM
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This has to be a psychological issue surely - something similar to the animal hoarders that keep taking in animals but can't care for them properly and can't see it. I cannot believe a person with a lifetime of excellent care for her horses would choose to wilfully neglect them, although neglected they were.
We had the same thing at our riding club (the lady in question was old school, a stickler for turnout, her horse was treated like a king) suddenly came up on a neglect charge and the horse was indeed in a terrible state. Now this person would never have done this normally so what went wrong?
20 years ago LS would have been up in arms over the very thing that has happened to her now.
I am going to get flamed for this (any room on the bus Ruthie?) but I do feel for LS in this too.
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cmj
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Posted - 05 Sep 2012 : 12:59:06 PM
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I certainly DON'T feel for LS on this. She only had to come on this forum and ask for help and she would have got it. Others have had the humility to do so because they knew the difference between right and wrong. Standards can slip because of illness and I'm certainly not yelling "cruelty" if I see 2 ft deep litter with clean straw on top in a big airy barn. Horses a bit unkempt - not a problem. Feet a bit too long - that can be sorted later. BUT a horse with laminitis suffering horrible pain every minute of the day, which one assumes it was if it had to be destroyed :( WRONG, no excuse
What a shame no-one has written a book on Arab care she could have referred to.......oh, hang on
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Eeyore
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Posted - 05 Sep 2012 : 1:20:30 PM
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I work with young people, some of whom have mental health issues. Usually this makes them more sympathetic to the suffering of others, they have wonderful empathy.
Even someone severely clinically depressed can pick up a phone and ask for help.
While these mental health issues were ongoing presumably they were able to keep in contact with publishers, carry out research and post on websites?
I am not a vindictive person, far from it. I do not take pleasure in judging others but come on?
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KittyB
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Posted - 05 Sep 2012 : 1:43:46 PM
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| I've been reading and thoroughly enjoying her book Understanding the Arabian Horse (bought recently from an ALiner). It's so sad (and bad) that this has happened. Her lovely horses pictured in her book suffering so, just made me want to cry. |
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phoenixbruka
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Posted - 05 Sep 2012 : 1:46:31 PM
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well said eeyore!
The PARTNER has mental health issues, not both of them, and she certainly seemed quite adept at posting a denial on here!
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