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Kazzy
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 Posted - 16 Oct 2012 : 3:36:24 PM
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FFS HOW CAN ANYONE DEFEND WHAT HAS HAPPENED????????
HORSES WERE PUT TO SLEEP!!!!!!!
ANOTHER IS IN THE HANDS OF THE RSPCA!!!!!!!
THE DEFENDENDANTS NEVER ASKED FOR HELP!!!!!!
HORSES SUFFERED.
Some people cant grasp that though can they.
I have been comingon this forum for nearly 7 years and in that time the amount of people that have been helped out has been amazing and this forum and its people have contributed to helping many people and horses out in that time, a few have been not what they should have been granted, with couple being a bit of a con and conned most people into parting with their money, but in no time has anyone EVER been declined money or help from people on this forum.
If she had come on and said *please help* and we said *bugger off* then it is quite within some peoples rights to have a go back saying we didnt do anything but she didnt, she knows this forum she has been on it for a while and she would have known that if she asked she would have got help.
Times are hard these days but people would still have helped out even if it was in a small way they would have helped out.
To now turn the tables on people who are quite shocked at the condition of these poor horses and some people are making it quite clear what they think, nothing wrong in that in my eyes knowing the full story, we never knew the full story at first and we kept schtumm about it till it was all out in the open that infact they had neglected and caused much suffering to their horses, lest not forget the RSPCA are not that big on horsey things and for them to get invovled it must have been bad.
Most of us have now no sympathy for the Skippers, if she can write a book on horse management she obviously knows right from wrong and in this case she commited a crime, a crime against the horses she says she loved. If thats love then I dont know what would have happened if they had no feelings for these poor horses.
So I am with you Rosie on this one, she knew right from wrong and never once came on here or to my knowledge to any of her friends and asked for help, people can make excuses all they want about mental health and they didnt know what they were doing. The pair of them were lazy sods and never did anything to help their lovely horses out in time of need. That is the plain facts of it all. Pure downright neglect.
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Vik1
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Posted - 16 Oct 2012 : 3:42:13 PM
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I shake my head in disbelief.
Ive seen big barns with deep litter like that which I dont think is a problem but a normal sized stable?! It was half way up the door!
My old boy wasnt as skinny as the grey mare when I had him pts. He was heading that way because of cushings but mostly because of lack of teeth and I decided enough was enough. I didnt want him to ever get to that stage.
It just looks like laziness to me and perhaps sticking head in the sand. |
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Silver
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Posted - 16 Oct 2012 : 3:43:56 PM
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If she could write a book at the time this was happening then how could she be mentally ill.There is no excuse and people shouldn't make excuses for her.
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Pop
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Posted - 16 Oct 2012 : 3:47:26 PM
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I have read some interesting comments on another forum about this case; and this forum. I, and others have attempted an explanation; and you don't seem to be able to work past your outrage, so, and probably in vain, I copy the words for you to consider, from an outside view. I have no idea who the person is, but it seems she/ has read the thread; and actually understood the point.
"Btw, if you read the posts on AL, you will see the so called 'fluffy bunnies" are NOT excusing her behaviour or "sticking up for her": they are trying to understand how this woman changed from being a good horseowner and respected authority on Arabian horses, to a cruel person, in denial about their appalling behaviour to previously well cared for horses.
The posts were trying to understand the process, so that the writers could be forewarned should it appear to be happening again, being perpetrated by previously good enough owners. They are in no way, imho, excusing what happened, or supporting LS".
Aside from that, and if there remains a resistance to understanding what seems perfectly obvious to others, maybe i just have to think:
"Alright, let's start with the basics. English is a non-inflected Indo-European language derived from dialects of.... "
Blackadder
So, I ask you again, who defends her?
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Delyth
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Callisto
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Posted - 16 Oct 2012 : 3:53:08 PM
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I presume I am one of the 'fluffy bunnies', I read the thread referred to by Pop, but didn't go back to it so didn't read the quote above. Whoever posted it has my appreciation, but I fear it is not a fashionable viewpoint.
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Eeyore
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Posted - 16 Oct 2012 : 3:58:39 PM
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Pop you sure like to stir it up don't you?
The 'outside view' you have quoted from in a very carefully edited way!
The same person begins by saying
Well, at least the wretched woman has lost her livlihood, her reputation and her poor horses, as well as never being allowed any others to hurt and exploit. There isn't enough money to pay for what she and her husband did, but it does seem a very paltry sum. No costs against them either. Pity.
But ok if you want to play word games knock yourself out.
Do they still have your appreciation Callisto?
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Callisto
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Posted - 16 Oct 2012 : 4:02:38 PM
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Eeyore - where has Pop stated that she disagreed with the judgement on the Skippers?
Edited to add, In response to your remark to me, yes they do, because they have correctly interpreted various posts that I have made on this thread.
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Silver
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justine
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Posted - 16 Oct 2012 : 4:07:44 PM
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Pop - a spade is a spade. No need for your English gramma skills and word games.
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Pop
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Posted - 16 Oct 2012 : 4:09:28 PM
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Here is the entire quote. I had extracted the part that I specifically referred to, because I specifically referred to it.
"Well, at least the wretched woman has lost her livlihood, her reputation and her poor horses, as well as never being allowed any others to hurt and exploit. There isn't enough money to pay for what she and her husband did, but it does seem a very paltry sum. No costs against them either. Pity.
Btw, if you read the posts on AL, you will see the so called 'fluffy bunnies" are NOT excusing her behaviour or "sticking up for her": they are trying to understand how this woman changed from being a good horseowner and respected authority on Arabian horses, to a cruel person, in denial about their appalling behaviour to previously well cared for horses.
The posts were trying to understand the process, so that the writers could be forewarned should it appear to be happening again, being perpetrated by previously good enough owners. They are in no way, imho, excusing what happened, or supporting LS. "
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jackiedo
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Posted - 16 Oct 2012 : 4:19:35 PM
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I have never been called a fluffy bunny before. I am not excusing what happened, just trying to understand HOW
By the way, I would like to point out that there are many anti psychotic drugs which cause weight gain and lethargy. I believe that what happened was wrong, we are not here in judgement, that has been considered by the courts. I can understand anger and shock on here, but can we cut out the insults and learn from it please? |
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Silver
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Posted - 16 Oct 2012 : 4:25:59 PM
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| I have not read anywhere that they have been found to have any mental health problems,does anyone else know different. |
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Kazzy
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Posted - 16 Oct 2012 : 4:29:25 PM
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Silver I think it says on one of the "Press links" that the sentence would be deferred till they had all the information about the mental illness issues.
It may be a near the start of the thread on page 3,4 or 5 or around that area.
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Callisto
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Posted - 16 Oct 2012 : 4:41:55 PM
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Quote from today's Daily Mail
The court had previously heard that Mr Skipper suffers from bipolar and post-traumatic stress disorder |
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Silver
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Posted - 16 Oct 2012 : 5:54:55 PM
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| But what about LS as I said earlier if she can write a book when all this was going on then you would think she could look after her horses wouldn't you? |
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georgiauk
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Posted - 16 Oct 2012 : 5:58:43 PM
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| I might have read the newspaper wrong but didn't it say her husband suffered from mental illness NOT her ? |
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Delyth
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Posted - 16 Oct 2012 : 6:03:03 PM
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I have a dear friend who has bi-polar and has suffered for years. She breeds cats very successfully and would be so insulted if anyone used this as an excuse for not caring. Personally I think they were idle - sorry !
Is 'idle' deletable !!! |
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Pop
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Posted - 16 Oct 2012 : 6:22:35 PM
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"Pop - a spade is a spade. No need for your English gramma skills and word games."
If only the skill in those words were mine. As you will have seen, its a quotation. From the Black Adder series:
""Alright, let's start with the basics. English is a non-inflected Indo-European language derived from dialects of.... "
Blackadder
The scene in question is one where Black adder has been captured by the Spanish and being interrogated. Black Adder cannot speak Spanish and the the Interrogator cannot speak English, the quotation deals with the issue of the inability for each party to understand the other and suggests that the only solution is to start from the beginning in order to seek to understand each other.
And it was humorous.
Not everyone likes the Black Adder series.
Not everyone enjoys humour.
Not everyone will seek a positive meaning before a negative meaning.
Not everyone shares the same humour.
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basbob
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Posted - 16 Oct 2012 : 6:34:00 PM
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I don't really find it a very funny subject Pop
Bloody sad situation for the ones that lost their lives ! |
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Pop
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Posted - 16 Oct 2012 : 6:46:08 PM
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| True, being captured and interrogated by a foreign nation is, I suppose, not funny. Its was made to seem so in that series. |
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JESSIEMAE
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Posted - 16 Oct 2012 : 7:03:55 PM
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Just read the whole thread, I agree, like others, I am not possibly in a position to judge these people personally.
However, I had five horses in March 2011, when I was diagnosed with breast cancer. I managed, to find fantastic homes for three of them, but kept the other two.
Not trying to be a martyr here but even after my chemotherapy sessions, I still managed to care for my horses. I'm not saying I did everything myself, but I knew when to ask for help and that's the difference.
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basbob
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Posted - 16 Oct 2012 : 7:05:00 PM
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being obscure isn't always clever Pop.
There is no excuse - many people have been through hell and have still taken care of their families and their animals. |
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Gerri
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Posted - 16 Oct 2012 : 7:09:32 PM
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reading these posts thoroughly, I can understand EXACTLY what you are saying Pop, maybe people need to read all the posts slowly and take in what is being said by EVERYONE |
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