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Kes
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 Posted - 19 Nov 2011 : 11:40:51 PM
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ok, it seems I may have opened a few queries with my questions. Thrush is fungal (Candida) which makes it completely different to bacteria in its morphology, and again to virus's. Bacteria that are anaerobic won't die with oxygen, they just thrive better in depleted oxygen habitats. For example if someone/equine had a badly infected limb with anaerobic bacteria simply opening it to the air wouldn't kill the infection (there would most likely be a mixed growth anyway), the bacteria would still survive, their ability to reproduce would be compromised though.
jo78, I hope that isn't the case. I was told Kes was prone to mud fever as he has some pink skin on his pasterns, in 6 months of ownership I've seen one tiny spot of it, maybe I have just been lucky so far.
I am doing another dressing change at the end of tomorrow and if the dressing is damp I am going to leave it off. He is in and is mucked out twice daily and on a deep shavings bed. It was encouraging seeing him trot round sound today though, although that may have been enthusiasm from being shut in for 3 days!!
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alistair leslie
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England
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Posted - 20 Nov 2011 : 12:36:21 PM
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Barrier make a good disinfectant which clears up mild thrush quickly |
    
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Judith S
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Wales
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Posted - 20 Nov 2011 : 12:55:47 PM
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| Originally posted by Kes
ok, it seems I may have opened a few queries with my questions. Thrush is fungal (Candida) which makes it completely different to bacteria in its morphology, and again to virus's. Bacteria that are anaerobic won't die with oxygen, they just thrive better in depleted oxygen habitats. For example if someone/equine had a badly infected limb with anaerobic bacteria simply opening it to the air wouldn't kill the infection (there would most likely be a mixed growth anyway), the bacteria would still survive, their ability to reproduce would be compromised though.
jo78, I hope that isn't the case. I was told Kes was prone to mud fever as he has some pink skin on his pasterns, in 6 months of ownership I've seen one tiny spot of it, maybe I have just been lucky so far.
I am doing another dressing change at the end of tomorrow and if the dressing is damp I am going to leave it off. He is in and is mucked out twice daily and on a deep shavings bed. It was encouraging seeing him trot round sound today though, although that may have been enthusiasm from being shut in for 3 days!!
Now I'm confused, if you google 'horse thrush' most of the answers seem to say it is an anaerobic bacterial infection, with the occasional mention of fungal.
Is it a case of there being more than one type of infection and you need to get a swab tested to decide which type you are dealing with? |
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Kes
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England
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Posted - 20 Nov 2011 : 1:25:56 PM
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Hi Judith S, thrush which is the Candida sp is definitely fungal. If you view it down a microscope the cells are much larger and have vastly differently morphology to bacteria which can be 'roughly' divided into 2 groups, bacilli and cocci. I guess they say bacterial because most people think of fungi as toast stools or something furry that grows on dodgy cheese!!
As for swabbing anything you are exactly right; a swab would tell you bacterial or fungal, what types and then there is antibiotic sensitivity too so the vet knows what antibiotics to give. |
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pinkvboots
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 21 Nov 2011 : 10:27:43 AM
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| Keratex Frog disinfectant is really good but very strong only need to use it every other day, also Daktarin athletes foot spray will help kill the fungus and dry it out, tip for cutting off duct tape is use a razor blade it is the only way to get it off easily. |
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Kes
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England
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Posted - 21 Nov 2011 : 6:42:55 PM
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| Oh yes, the nightmare of removing duct/gaffer tape 24/48 hours after you put it on with 'it must not come off' security.......I actually managed to snap a pair of blunt ended scissors after just 3 dressing changes!! |
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connormum
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Kes
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England
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Posted - 22 Nov 2011 : 5:32:09 PM
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| Hi Sarah, he seems back to normal now so he's in overnight then back out in his usual field in the morning, I'm expecting fireworks!!! He will continue to be stabled overnight though with the hope of staying on top of his feet (?). I've got some hoof & frog disinfectant so have been merrily painting away with that. His turnout is 7.30-3.30 so should be enough to exercise him but also allow me to keep his feet in good order :) |
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Triskar
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England
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Posted - 22 Nov 2011 : 6:02:04 PM
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| We use a copper sulphate solution. Copper sulphate is cheap to buy on eBay - we mix it up with water in an empty spray bottle and spray it into the frog cleft when we pick out feet. We had a thoroughbred with dreadful thrush which was cured by mixing copper sulphate crystals with impression material (eBay or Amazon), packing it into the foot and using a hoof boot on top once the impression material had set. After 5 days the thrush was completely gone and the frog was regenerating. A daily spray with the copper sulphate solution is all it needs now. The other horses get a weekly spray just to be on the safe side! Be careful with the copper sulphate solution - it is highly poisonous to fish, but it is a brilliant fungicide. We found this cure from googling the condition and it was on an American farriery site. |
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Kes
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England
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Posted - 22 Nov 2011 : 7:17:15 PM
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Thanks Triskar  |
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Foot thrush advice please/drying out the frog.
