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Zan
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 Posted - 02 Oct 2011 : 7:37:11 PM
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| I have never seen an Arab do a boring shuffle trot.They show off naturally without having to be wound up to a frenzy. |
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BabsR
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England
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Posted - 02 Oct 2011 : 8:35:17 PM
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.........TOOK THE WORDS RIGHT OUT OF MY MOUTH ZAN!!!
Arabian show off quite naturally.....never yet seen one slouch round the ring and one thing is for sure, they do not need all the swishing whip, plastic bag or stones rattling in tins nonsense....on the contrary, methinks that what we now see is a twirling, whirling tense trot with too much knee action
Far too much emphasis put on seahorse head and neck.....and never mind about the legs, or correct rideability conformation
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basbob
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France
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Posted - 02 Oct 2011 : 8:52:16 PM
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| I think 2 handlers who were at Aachen have said that they woud've sent that stallion out ...... |
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caz
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 02 Oct 2011 : 9:49:10 PM
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No difference between a cane and a longer whip - both can be used in an equally abusive fashion. I favour a longer whip as I can reach my mares quarters behind me and gain control over their direction - I don't show, talking here about walking her out on the roads and keeping her from swinging quarters out, but the principle can equally apply to the show ring when you have multiple horses in close proximity. I can tap her with the lightest of touches when at a standstill to indicate to her to move her back end over in either direction, or tap the shoulder to move them over should I need to.
Not about what whip is used, it's about HOW it is used. Banning long whips and introducing canes without addressing the stuff behind it would be ineffective and pointless.
As for halters, that makes no difference either. Done up correctly, they will not budge, and the cable material used is extremely strong. I ride western and use an 'ear' bridle, which does not have a throatlash or browband (only a small piece of leather round one ear). You have to be really unlucky and pull the bridle in the right direction with the right amount of force to get it to come off while in normal use. Plus, if the issue of abusive handling is addressed first (instead of the halter/bridle used) then the horses would be trained well and sympathetically, minimising the risk of a horse losing it's bridle even further.
My only 'issue' with the halters is the use of the chain and it's ability to tighten under the horses chin, which is bony and sensitive. The issue is in the use of it though - it's possible to lead and show the horse with that arrangement without shanking them needlessly, but it's about making it plain that this practice is not acceptable and will have you marked down in the ring and potentially disqualified. With some over-excitable horses the chain provides control, much as you might use a chain lead over the nose with an exuberant or rude horse. But the shanking I've seen has been much more than for control of a lively horse sadly, it's more like abuse :(
Think Emma's red card/yellow card system is spot on, but seems that those few who are behind the fact we need this kind of system have far too much to lose if it's implemented, and far too much sway over whether it gets implemented or not  |
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LYNDILOU
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 03 Oct 2011 : 08:54:54 AM
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| we no longer see what an arabian can do at a trot ( frightened of the shank they know is coming) , because most of them are running with their heads up in the air, lunged on a tight circle or storming at great speed . the arabian floats effortlessly left to their own paces and free and appears to be flying all feet off the ground, the handlers all try to get this motion , but maybe because of pressure they seem to have lost the plot ! |
   
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alistair leslie
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England
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Posted - 03 Oct 2011 : 08:59:46 AM
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It is abuse
No other word for it
Owners allow it
Judges allow it
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gossy
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England
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alistair leslie
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England
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Posted - 03 Oct 2011 : 09:23:39 AM
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I have posted on the All Nations page asking why they find it acceptable |
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Quarabian
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Wales
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Posted - 03 Oct 2011 : 09:45:36 AM
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| I absolutely agree with Lyndilou. There is no way I want to see an arab with it's head so high it loses it's poise and beauty. I like to see them as they should be, floating in a light and elegant free flowing trot with their necks naturally arched so that they can look at you with those huge dignified eyes. |
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C_Ma
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Denmark
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Pasch
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Posted - 03 Oct 2011 : 10:39:35 PM
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Absolutely disgusting...if all these handlers do this in front of the judges,the public,the cameras,you can just imagine what goes on behind closed doors...
I know where I would put those chains and then give THEM a good shanking... |
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Honeyb060674
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 03 Oct 2011 : 10:42:27 PM
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Give me "boring shuffling" any day over this vile horrendous abuse  I know nothing of nor have any experience of showing, but I do know that there is no sign of the natural beauty these animals should exude...only fear & terror. Heartbreaking to watch  |
      
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debs
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 03 Oct 2011 : 10:44:26 PM
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What revolting behaviour! The body language of most of these 'handlers' looks threatening to me. How anyone can condone this is beyond me.
Money and ego's... really doesn't bring out the best in some people.
Very very sad.
Even sadder, I read about similar behaviour over 20 years ago when I got my first arabian....its still the same old, same old stuff here. Lets hope there are some positive changes in the next 20.
Those poor horses.
And before anyone comments on necessary behaviour due to unruly horses... if they are that dangerous they should have been kept safely at home.
Maybe it is a good thing (for the horses) that showing is declining. |
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Nashiba
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Posted - 03 Oct 2011 : 10:48:07 PM
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Just feel so helpless to see such beautiful horses treated in such a way.
Something has to be done to stop this barbaric practice and all for greedy owners to win a red rosette.
Shameful -I could cry |
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kimzi
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Posted - 03 Oct 2011 : 11:13:07 PM
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| Nearly each horse showed a flight reaction (research shows this is caused by fear) before the shank, one showed fight (good on him) but each and every incident was uncalled for. It is soo embarassing to watch, who really would want to be part of such a farce - owner or spectator. I know no-one up above will listen but i would definateley be calling for retraining of all DC's involved with these level of shows, if football refs can stand up to players with all the money floating around there, why cant DC's?????? |
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sarahlock
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England
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Posted - 03 Oct 2011 : 11:25:22 PM
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OMG what a horrible bunch of hard faced uncompassionate shankers 
Number 130 with that poor Bay is the one that i was on about at the beginning of this thread & they say the circus is cruel ???
These are the people who are giving the Arab showing world a bad name & that video has plenty of proof now to name & shame !
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stuart
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United Kingdom
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C_Ma
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Denmark
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Posted - 04 Oct 2011 : 01:48:34 AM
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And before anyone comments on necessary behaviour due to unruly horses... if they are that dangerous they should have been kept safely at home.
Maybe it is a good thing (for the horses) that showing is declining.
No one can really use that excuse for all the shanking going on in that video. Most of these horses seem to be trying to do what they are told, but get punished for doing so. Very few of them, if any, are being unruly =/
The reaction on the 2nd one, the chestnut, is just really scary, and very sad.
Even if this is just a few clips from the show, this still did happen, no matter how big or how small the problem is (and from what I've heard, it's quite big), it simply shouldnt be accepted on any scale! |
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Callisto
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Posted - 04 Oct 2011 : 02:24:22 AM
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  Zahkira (GR Amaretto x Taffetta)
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debs
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 04 Oct 2011 : 05:54:47 AM
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Who are the handlers?
Who is the man with the hat that gets in between horse and handler?
Just watched vid again, I cant believe so many people sat and watched this |
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debs
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pintoarabian
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HORSE
Bronze Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 04 Oct 2011 : 08:20:02 AM
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| if this is not abuse i dont no what is.. ive watched the clip and aslo the live stream and can honestly say this went on with approx 99% of handlers such a pity the horses are terrified ..this practice needs stopped the Arabian is and will always be the most beautiful horse alive and it doesnt need someone shanking the living daylights out of it .. my rant over .. and btw my heart goes out to them when there at home with those producers very sad ...... |
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LYNDILOU
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 04 Oct 2011 : 08:46:48 AM
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| thanks for putting the video together C -Ma, I have just sent it to Princess Alia, maybe she can put it to the powers that be or even take it to WAHO meeting? |
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Vygoda
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United Arab Emirates
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Posted - 04 Oct 2011 : 08:55:30 AM
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Anyone who goes to any European/Middle East/Towerlands shows know these handlers in the video (and there are some more too) and that they shank repeatedly. If the observers know them, so do the judges, officials et al and what is done - nothing at all sad to say though the guy in the hat - the ringmaster - tried.
These guys fly in a couple of days before a show and work with the horses at the farms so goodness knows what happens in-house if they do this in front of the world.
I would say let's not get sidetracked and forget for the moment the length of whips, type of bridles, etc and let's tackle the shanking issue by complaining directly to ECAHO and to our own society, and encourage the use of the yellow/red cards.
Just my opinion.
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