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Cinnypony
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 Posted - 05 Oct 2011 : 8:53:35 PM
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Every year people complain about what happens at the big arab shows and a surprising number defend how the horses are treated at these shows - not sure how as they are defending the abuse of our beautiful horses.
However this time the abuse seems to have reached new depths and this video is appearing on various other non-arab horse forums to large scale horror and condemnation (and rightly so).
Maybe if the arab showing world doesn't put its own house in order it'll be done from outside pressure - doesn't really matter how as long as the lives of these show horses is improved to an acceptable level. |
    
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george
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Posted - 05 Oct 2011 : 9:25:44 PM
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Hmmmm!! I am horrified at the way these horses are treated and in NO way condone this brutality, but I will probably get shot down anyway, I believe you can show Arabs in the "Modern style" without brutality and force and this really is not the way that many handlers would do it, how many horses where at Aachen? and how many were in the vid? again I state that it is utterly disgusting and should not be allowed to happen at all but will this video do more harm for the reputation of the Arab horse than good? I mean how many of you have decided not to go to shows or to show your horses now? There are a lot of so called "horse lovers" out there that say they hate Arabs (has actually been said to me  I won't repeat my response) don't we want to encourage people to become interested in this beautiful breed, as I think all the bad publicity will only reinforce peoples perceptions of Arab horses and their owners and I'm afraid they will tar us all with the same brush. Certainly something has to be done about it...I'm not sure what we CAN do but Emma's cards is a fantastic idea and will also allow the caring owners/handlers to show, but putting this video on every public forum IMO will just give Arab showing an even worse reputation!! |
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Zan
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Posted - 05 Oct 2011 : 9:40:07 PM
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George-Arab showing can't have a much worse reputation than it already has. The bad reputation and the "nutty Arab" stereotype come from the rdiculous frozen pose, and all the whirling and twirling that means no one can see how a horse actually moves-- even without the abuse. You are surely not suggesting that we hush up this video to try to preserve the reputation of Arab showing???
The frozen pose and the frenetic rushing about of modern in hand showing goes hand in hand with abuse, even though not all handlers are abusive. It is time the Arab world admitted this and put its house in order. If this video can help in any small way in bringing this about that would be wonderful. |
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MinHe
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Posted - 05 Oct 2011 : 9:52:32 PM
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The red and yellow cards have been available for use for some time - in the UK as well as elsewhere, so Emma's father's idea HAS been acted on - to a certain extent. It is not something that needs to be introduced - it is already here. Whether or not they are *employed* is a different issue, and the one that should be the subject of attention.
With Erik Dorssers scheduled to meet with ECAHO, it is more important than ever to contact ECAHO and make your feelings heard, so that brave Erik is not perceived as a lone voice crying in the wilderness.
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george
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Posted - 05 Oct 2011 : 9:53:38 PM
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In no way am I saying we should "hush" this up, I just think that it might make other horse owners think this is the way all Arabs are shown and treated. The video should certainly be used as evidence against cruelty which is there for all to see, but I also would be sad if all Arab showing was thought of in the same way...I know I am still relatively new to it so I can't comment on yesteryear but I love to see an Arab showing their stuff in the ring, that doesn't make me a bad person or that I agree with abuse, (I am not looking for an argument or to stir things up either ) I just think that putting it on every form of media isn't the way, surely putting it to Ecaho and Waho would be more of a help, I don't like the extreme frozen pose either!! |
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justine
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Posted - 05 Oct 2011 : 9:55:31 PM
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| Instead of fighting with each other, send your complaints to ECAHO!!!!!!!! |
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george
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Posted - 05 Oct 2011 : 9:56:28 PM
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| Thanks MinHe, I wasn't clear on that, I agree about contacting Ecaho and will draft up an email asap! |
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phoenixbruka
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george
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Posted - 05 Oct 2011 : 10:09:45 PM
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| Sorry Zan but I don't agree that all modern showing goes hand in hand with abuse, if that were the case, are you accusing me of abuse because I want Nabil to snort and blow and bounce into the ring? and when he is on a long rein in our paddock circling me with a wickedly playful look and flicking his head at me and snorting am I abusing him, we play..he loves it and so do I. If that's abuse why does he whicker to us? I am not trying to argue but I do not agree that all modern showing is abuse,as I have said before I would rather HURT myself than to harm any of my animals. |
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Quarabian
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Posted - 05 Oct 2011 : 10:18:01 PM
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| I have to stand by george here. There is nothing wrong with modern showing. It is the methods used to achieve it that we are objecting to. |
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Pasch
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Posted - 05 Oct 2011 : 10:39:19 PM
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| Yes,Quarabian,but have you noticed that the horse in the video that had the best movement,a real fluid,floating arab trot,was the one that got loose?All the twirling and turning in small circles,the continuos breaking at a gallop and stopping with the head in the air isn't so beautiful or graceful,so even if achieved without abuse,if this is the modern style of showing,give me the old style back! |
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Zan
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Posted - 05 Oct 2011 : 10:43:43 PM
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[right]Originally posted by Pasch
Yes,Quarabian,but have you noticed that the horse in the video that had the best movement,a real fluid,floating arab trot,was the one that got loose?All the twirling and turning in small circles,the continuos breaking at a gallop and stopping with the head in the air isn't so beautiful or graceful,so even if achieved without abuse,if this is the modern style of showing,give me the old style back!
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Absolutely!!!!!!!
And yes, I have written to ECAHO. I hope everbody who has posted on this thread does so .
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george
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Posted - 05 Oct 2011 : 11:23:21 PM
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| Agreed that is the best moving but I was not talking specifically about the horses on the video clip when I said modern style of showing, I meant in general...this video is horrible and shows IMO how NOT to do it, but I still like modern showing. |
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debs
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Delyth
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Quarabian
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Posted - 06 Oct 2011 : 09:43:08 AM
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Originally posted by Pasch
Yes,Quarabian,but have you noticed that the horse in the video that had the best movement,a real fluid,floating arab trot,was the one that got loose?All the twirling and turning in small circles,the continuos breaking at a gallop and stopping with the head in the air isn't so beautiful or graceful,so even if achieved without abuse,if this is the modern style of showing,give me the old style back!
Yes I noticed. That's why my horses run out on a loose rein, in fact I don't even close my hand around the rein most of the time. They should be trained to respond to voice and body language. Punishment when they get it wrong is never going to get the best out of a horse. |
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basbob
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Posted - 06 Oct 2011 : 11:01:15 AM
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I've Emailed ECAHO and ETHA - ECAHO passed my Email to princess Alia who has since responded positively. and ETHA who have responded to say they'll reply after some thought.
I too love to see the horses snort & prance wearing beautiful halters to show off their exquisite heads, and yes even a bit of greasepaint! but I don't want to see them hurt or being afraid - it's totally unnecessary and, if anything, hinders their performance.
I understand that the occasional horse may need a "reminder" to pay attention to his handler rather in the same way you'd tap up a horse that wouldn't listen to your leg when riding - this doesn't need to inflict pain or be aggressive. I watched the livestream of Aachen and noticed that many handlers had to "remind" every horse they brought into the ring to pay attention - that tells me something. Would be rather odd if in a ridden class all of the riders were whipping there horses to go forward and constantly yanking at the bit to keep them stood squarely? |
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Zan
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ambassador
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Posted - 06 Oct 2011 : 11:15:03 AM
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| Thank You for the ECAHO email details have walked the talk great do do something positive how ever small, but it could turn into something humongous (as my grand daughter would say )once the ball starts turning, not having a great deal of influence being very small time please add any other contact details we can lobby |
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LadyLuck1
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Posted - 06 Oct 2011 : 11:29:04 AM
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| I have emailed and will be putting the address in our tack room so other people can also complain. The more people we can get the better. None of them have listened .to Arab people maybe with pressure from outsiders also they might listen |
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Tzarina
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Posted - 06 Oct 2011 : 11:44:06 AM
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| This has nothing to do with the current concerns over Aachen, but the Arabian horse has long been on the you either hate them or you love them for many years. Longer than the 'modern' style of Arabian showing has been around. There is no middle ground with them, they are like Marmite. |
    
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Silver
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Posted - 06 Oct 2011 : 11:55:49 AM
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| Delyth lovely picture,you be hard pushed to see a current picture like that i'm sure. |
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