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Nashiba
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 Posted - 05 Oct 2011 : 1:06:23 PM
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| Is this a damage limitation video posted by one of the handlers?? |
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pinkvboots
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Posted - 05 Oct 2011 : 1:12:29 PM
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KVC1223 So you are basically saying that they are only doing what they are told by the owners, sorry but I don't buy it they obviously don't have any regard for those horses welfare then, and in my view are not worthy to be doing that job, so they only get rough and abuse a said few horses do they? what rubbish they have a choice do it properly like the other handlers out there who do and consequently still win.
If you are willing to treat one horse like that you are willing to treat them all like it.
At the end of the day if someone is willing to treat any horse that way I would not want them having anything to do with mine. |
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Nippo
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Posted - 05 Oct 2011 : 1:37:09 PM
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To win at any cost because the owner told you to is one angle. But handlers have their own desire to win with any horse, regardless of owners instructions, for the benefit of their own career and ego. Some handlers will not abuse a horse for results whatever their instructions. Sadly many will do it for their own success.
Make no mistake, this is nothing compared to what goes on behind closed doors in some 'trainers' yards. And I HAVE seen it. Great lengths gone to in order to keep owners in blissful ignorance. |
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Red Rum
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Posted - 05 Oct 2011 : 1:51:22 PM
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Well said Nippo - I was just thinking if they treat the horses like that in the ring what do they do to them at home. They must be terrified |
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lyric
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Posted - 05 Oct 2011 : 2:01:51 PM
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| Nippo - it is now my turn to agree with everything YOU have said! |
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Kazzy
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Posted - 05 Oct 2011 : 2:03:32 PM
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I've seen that video C Ma and its nearly the same handlers as the video from before. Not all the same handlers but some of them.
The flattening down the forelocks doesnt do it for me, sorry, I am like you, they think by doing this video all will be well.
Were is the video of them trotting in, standing up nicely for the judges without fear int heir eyes, them shaking or mouthing to the handler! If the produce that kind of video then perhaps I will beleive, until them I dont.
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LYNDILOU
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Posted - 05 Oct 2011 : 3:08:17 PM
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| I tried to copy the other video before I unfriended the woman that put it on, but I seem to have lost it ! I will go back again. she is calling us all narrow minded , whats the betting she has one of her own shown in thi manner? |
   
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Kazzy
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Posted - 05 Oct 2011 : 3:41:42 PM
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I cant unfriend her yet Lyndilou because i am in the middle of a full blown row with her!!!!!!!
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pinkvboots
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Kazzy
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Posted - 05 Oct 2011 : 4:00:38 PM
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Its on page 9 on here posted by C Ma.
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Nippo
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Posted - 05 Oct 2011 : 4:16:31 PM
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Will have to wait for someone to post it here. I don't do Facebook. In the meantime, from what I've seen, the horses do get a pat and stroke as well. These people are not stupid, they do make sure the horse is not always terrified of them. The horses are brilliant at knowing what is coming and when.
I know one horse that could have an ordinary headcollar on and off a dozen times a day, no problem. But you try and put a show halter on him. Took over an hour and it had to be pretty much dismantled and assembled round his headcollar which was then taken off. He knew it was show time, or training time and was terrified.
Sometimes a horse especially a young stallion will show signs of aggression back to the handler, this is swiftly dealt with. But one day something terrible will happen, a horse will snap, and fight back. Someone will get badly hurt or worse. Who will be
blamed. The poor horse of course. Arabs are beautifully gentle breed despite their.
showing off, but it only takes one with a bit more attitude and it will happen. Some of the close breeding that goes on could see that sooner rather than later, but that's another subject for another day.
Edited to add. This particular horse was an American import but this type of training is not confined to the states. It is a growing method in this country, and I do worry when so many of our young trainers go there and come back believing it's the only way to do it.
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Pashon2001
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Posted - 05 Oct 2011 : 4:18:57 PM
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Exactly my point on people not listening, I never condoned cruelty.........but apparantley I do, I said anything said not in the same vein as your posts will be shot down. And I have been shot down for saying so, not for saying ANYTHING about the video itself.........
Whatever anyone says that does not completely agree in every respect will also be shot down........
Also does anyone know if the horse that got loose was because of shanking???? It doesnt show it in the video. |
     
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alistair leslie
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Posted - 05 Oct 2011 : 4:36:51 PM
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If one looks also at current and future jobs in and around Arab horses one has to ask where the commercial sense is in depicting our marvellous horses as lunatics that need to be restrained by all kinds of methods
If I was a prospective buyer I would have a clear impression from the show that Arab horses are more vicious than most animals and need vigorous handling .Quite bonkers!
The joy of an Arab is the exceptional action and conformation which is not shown well at shows today.You are lucky to get a 20 second trot and to also see the superior beauty of them . |
    
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Mags
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Posted - 05 Oct 2011 : 4:40:22 PM
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Well I had thought id quite like to show Mia, ok only at local level, but tbh now I wouldnt want anything to do with arab showing
That video is discusting and imo worst than any of the others iv seen regarding dressage etc. I would like to see RSPCA involvement on this, there need to be an inquiry into why not action was taking. I was most shocked when the guy in the hat stepped between handler and horse. That handler should have been asked to leave there and then
What a shame for arab showing to be gaining this reputation |
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hazelcat74
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Posted - 05 Oct 2011 : 4:45:22 PM
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| I was thinking of going to watch at some shows next year but if that is what I am likely to see I won't go. I couldnt watch all the video, it is so heartbreaking. These highly intelligent animals could easily be trained to stand in whatever pose is required without any abuse, they are so willing to please. I have found all this very disturbing and shocking and if there is anything we can do to try and stop it count me in. |
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C_Ma
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Quarabian
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Posted - 05 Oct 2011 : 5:50:04 PM
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I don't think that you shouldn't show Mia Mags. I plan to show my girl when I can afford it. But I plan to show her on a loose lead rein, flying her tail and showing herself without dragging me off my feet or barging into me. I know this post might come back to haunt me, but if I can, I think it is the way to demonstrate how it should be done. Of course Emma Maxwell and a few others already do show them how it is done 
Staying away from showing is only letting the shankers have their own way. (What a strange word shanking is) |
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LYNDILOU
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Posted - 05 Oct 2011 : 6:39:32 PM
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Hilke, yes thats the person , she pmed me to ask where I got the first video and who made it?, I said it was on youtube thats all I knew , she kept saying it was anonymous and therefore underhanded , then the next thing I see is the OTHER version posted by her, thats when I defreinded her . |
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basbob
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Posted - 05 Oct 2011 : 6:42:57 PM
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| It's on Jess Austin's page too, alongwith many other grooms |
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Mags
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Posted - 05 Oct 2011 : 6:46:20 PM
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| the second video reminds me of the parelli damage limitation video after 'that' demo. Too little too late |
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sab2
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Posted - 05 Oct 2011 : 7:01:16 PM
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| As you say Mags damage limitation, too little too late, we know what went on as we have seen the first video to prove it, even if one horse is subjected to shanking its one too many. |
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Zan
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Quarabian
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Posted - 05 Oct 2011 : 7:14:25 PM
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| Naming should not be a problem, they have already put themselves in the public arena. |
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MinHe
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Posted - 05 Oct 2011 : 7:33:33 PM
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As I understand it, numbers and handlers' names are already available to the public in the Aachen show catalogue.
I still say, lobby ECAHO. They must be left in no doubt as to the strength of feeling out there.
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Livestream Aachen
I could say so many horrible things about those people, and their supporters, but it's not fit for this forum I think.
