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Callisto
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 Posted - 17 Jun 2011 : 9:32:54 PM
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Is it possible to give her massage to aid her lymphatic system, rather than try to get her moving, since it is obviously painful for her? Not that I am an expert but I know you can do this for humans. I googled it, and there are various websites referring to equines, I don't know how helpful they will be, but according to one, it is fine for the owner to do it but anyone else needs permission from your vet. Apparently it involves gentle stroking motions rather than anything invasive.
I'm glad that there is positive news about Po's treatments, and hope that there is genuinely light at the end of the tunnel. |
  Zahkira (GR Amaretto x Taffetta)
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Fee
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dee
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Posted - 18 Jun 2011 : 11:13:13 PM
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Dear Fee, Only just seen your discussion, so don't know all the in's and out's, but wondered if your team of experts had tried Bowen my no longer with us gelding had a strange turn back in 2004 went into the horsebox fully fit endurance horse came out a wobbling dazed boy, we never knew what had happened to him, all we could think of was a speck of blood on his neck (sting) or he had banged his head maybe (axis). We got him home he wobbled down the ramp reared & collapsed, he then spent 4/5 hours staggering up & down, eventually with lots of jabs and patient by us he finally stayed up, although looked like he had been hit by a bus. This was the start of many months of healing and other set backs, he was tight as a drum and never lay down for months. Vets wanted to take him to Leahurst but we didn't want to travel him. As vets medicine wasn't getting him anywhere, we tried alternative and the lady who was treating him brought a lady who wasn't used to horses but did Bowen on humans. After one session of this his tight frame & muscles rippled after about 2/3 more sessions he was much more supple and finally got down in his stable and even started to roll again, although he never regained his co-ordination, so wasn't safe to ride as he could trip. He stayed with us retired from endurance & ridden until he was nearly 22 when internal tumours took him away from me.
Just a thought I have never seen anything like the way this lady hardly touched him but you could see all his muscles twitch and ripple and how relaxing it was for him, you could see the release of tension from his face & eyes it was amazing.
Hope you find a suitable outcome for your horse.
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Touchofblue
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Posted - 18 Jun 2011 : 11:35:05 PM
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Possibilities for relaxation therapy
Equine Shiatsu--Liz Eddy in your area I think
Equine Touch--Sue Grout is amazing
Bowen--not sure who to recommend in your area
I have watched all 3 types of therapy and been very impressed
With the Equine Touch Sue will teach you to do the basics yourself. |
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Patriot
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Posted - 19 Jun 2011 : 03:20:03 AM
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| So sorry to hear about your girl Fee, what a nightmare, it must be really hard trying to stay positive and motivated through all of this. I really cant be any help, but im sure Po appreciates everything you are doing for her. Pats best friend has narcolepsy and it can be scary to watch! {big hugs} |
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Fee
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Posted - 19 Jun 2011 : 08:58:08 AM
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Thank you for taking the time to reply everyone. I really do appreciate it. I'm feeling better and a bit more positive since telling you all it's hard and I'm not coping too well! Not sure if that's a coincidence or a result of that. It is hard when you do the horses alone and no-one at home to moan to so it's you I guess AL peeps 
Touchofblue and dee thanks for your advice/experience. I had a quick look at Bowen and I think it does sound very like the work the cranial osteopath does? She has a 'team' of ppl on her case. There is the Kinesiologist, the Cranial Osteopath and her Physio who gives her mctimoney and shiatzu. From what I can tell in knowing her they are good. The problem is, well as previously said the problem is getting everyone there right when she needs them and everyone keeping in constant communication. Not always easy. When there is a break from either member of her team, she slips backwards so quickly.
Incase anyone is wondering I tried to find a good definition of what a cranial osteopathy is because it does sound scary and it's so not! Quite amazing the response from the horse. If you have any problem or worry with your horse and you are lucky enough to have an equine cranial osteopath in your area (we have none here in Scotland) please give them a go. But don't expect any leg swinging or bone crunching actions which I'm sure are just to look good for the paying owner.
What is a Cranial Osteopathy
Cranial osteopaths are trained to feel a very subtle, rhythmical shape change that is present in all body tissues. This is known as Involuntary Motion or Cranial Rhythm. This movement is of very small amplitude, therefore it takes practitioners with a very finely developed sense of touch to feel it. The rhythm was first described by Dr. William Sutherland in the early 1900s, and its existence was confirmed in a series of laboratory tests in the 1960s and 1970s (Sutherland Society 2007).
The stresses and strains of the body’s everyday movement cause tensions which may disrupt its Involuntary Motion. Cranial Osteopaths examine these irregularities in the context of the patient’s previous history. Practitioners then use their palpatory skills, that is their acute sense of touch, to help the body release these stresses and strains through its tissues and return to a state of optimum health and function.
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Qui Gon Jinn
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Posted - 19 Jun 2011 : 10:27:40 AM
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So sorry Fiona to read about Po's current status. From your last emails, I thought she was really on the mend 
As others have said you really are to be congratulated in all your endevours with Po and I'm 99% certain that I wouldn't have been able to continue on with everything you've done for her so far. Po is so lucky to have found such a wonderful owner. Just remember about your own health, you wont be much good to her if your end up exhausted to the point of not being able to function yourself.
You must be mentally tired to the point of distraction and I do feel for you. Fingers crossed that suddenly there will be a break through for Po and you can both get some much needed relief xx |
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CINDERS
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Posted - 19 Jun 2011 : 11:30:31 AM
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This is probably going to get me hated but whilst I understand your need to help her are all these "experts" really for her.
I am a great believer in alternative medicine but it seems to me that if she could be allowed to be a horse and just mooch about in a field with good grass she would be a lot more relaxed, less liable to hurt herself is she falls and just generally happier which would IMO help her to heal both mentally and physically and give you time to regroup and review the options.
I really do applaud your dedication but sometimes we have look within ourselves and do what is best for the horse. it is natural to be eanting to be doing something to help but not always the right course of action
I am sorry if this offends but as you are probably aware I also have a Polianka daughter and do speak from experience, since she has been allowed a natural life and good normal foods she is 26 going on 3 and certainly a happier horse for it. She came to us with a "damaged" hock probably from her racing days. If she is kept in she gets pain.
If it were me I would try a magnetic rug but would withdraw all the other stuff and see what happens. Maybe that makes me bad but I can only tell you what has happened with Derjava.
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proctorclaire
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Posted - 19 Jun 2011 : 11:47:57 AM
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| I feel for you and your horse. I think this is the problem we are having with my mare. Compensating after compensating. No matter what physio she gets her muscles just go back to how they were. I often wonder if we'll ever get to the bottom of it. |
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Fee
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Posted - 19 Jun 2011 : 2:07:43 PM
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No worries Yvonne, not offended at all, it's an open forum with loads of different experiences and viewpoints.
Thing is she does live a natural life in that she's not stabled and just roams around the field. I guess I'm so far down this road with this 'team' who believe she can come good and sort her structure that I've got to stay on it until she's either fixed, can't be fixed, I think it's the wrong road or she's telling me it's the wrong road.
The day may well come that I do just boot her and leave her. But I suspect and fear that if I do she will gradually return to the point I was at with her a year and a half ago when I had left her and basically she was giving up before my eyes. That was when and how I found her 'team'. I have to exhaust this road but I'm not going at it blindly and without constant listening to my horse. She tells me loud and clear at all times. It's actually when I forget to listen to her things feel and go wrong.
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Pasch
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Posted - 19 Jun 2011 : 11:18:10 PM
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Bless her,she looks so sweet and responsible walking all by herself(aren't you afraid she might get scared of something and run off?)
I remember some time ago you wanted to try to stable her at night with the other two next door so she could see them to see if then she would be relaxed enough to lay down,did you try that?didn't work? |
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Fee
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Posted - 20 Jun 2011 : 04:47:52 AM
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Hi Pasch, no I don't worry about her running off as that section is gated. I always let her go solo here to allow her to pick the pace and it also allows me to drive/long rein her without the reins to mimic riding as much as possible at this stage. The kinesiologist wants this as it is better for her back as we are trying to keep those muscles between the vertebrae in the middle of her back from going back into that locked position. During any ungated sections I do keep a hold of her.
Yes I did try to stable her but she got so stressed I feared it would do more harm than good! Even with the others next door she was standing at the back of the stable, neck arched, feet all dancing looking at the stable door and saying 'I will jump it! I mean it! I'm going to jump, you see me getting ready?!' I'm sure she wouldn't have it's just her way of making sure she's heard loud and clear
She loves going into the stable to chill but if you try to shut a door she's off! It's always something I can retry though but when she is in better health and more able to cope with any initial stresses to the change. When she got an abscess and had to be kept in I fenced off all the concrete area that the stables sit on and kept all 3 of them on it and the stables, letting the other two out when I was there. That worked well and at least I know I've got a short term system of keeping her in if needs be. However it's far from ideal as it's falling on the concrete that's the big worry so she had to be booted.
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Pasch
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Posted - 21 Jun 2011 : 12:39:34 AM
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| What a complicated lady she is...Hope you find a solution so you can both have some relax,you really deserve it! |
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Milotkha
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Posted - 21 Jun 2011 : 08:21:10 AM
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Big hugs Fee.
Sending get well vibes to Po.
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My poor girl
. I don't have broadband at home anymore and do everything via this phone but can't upload photos, hence all the videos, sorry.