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Rozy Rider
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 Posted - 12 Apr 2011 : 11:54:29 PM
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It was very good of you to write to the Brooke for all of us Lynda, All our worst fears have now been confirmed in the letters from the Brooke, they are feeding another twice and the programme of feeding comes to an end on the 21st. April.
So Very Sad.
Thank You.
 9th April 2011.
 16 thin horses in this pic...
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jaj
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Posted - 13 Apr 2011 : 12:17:45 AM
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I think the trouble is sometimes that emaciated horses end up being the 'norm' out there and the locals are so used to them being like that so don't see what we see.
I have some photos like those that I took at the Brooke Clinic in Luxor 20 odd years ago and one of the photos shows a horse that was privately owned and it honestly looked totally overweight and out of place there but here in the UK it would be completely normal body condition.
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Rozy Rider
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Posted - 13 Apr 2011 : 12:27:20 AM
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These are not the Norm and if the Brooke or anyone else can't spot a horse in need, its time to give up.
I also stopped paying to Brooke & the Donkey Sanc..
Cheers (Spec savers maybe...Ha Ha)
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jaj
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Posted - 13 Apr 2011 : 07:53:37 AM
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Have you been out there though? None of the horses look like 'English' horses sadly  . I'm not saying they are normal just that Egyptian people may well see it that way.
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Rozy Rider
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Posted - 13 Apr 2011 : 10:51:29 AM
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To a degree I think your right, although when they start dropping dead and dying, you have to take note,its a very thin line between a trim horse and a starving horse. They don't need any excuses to stop feeding them. prior to the 13th/14th February no horses were routinely feed..Then ESMA and the other charities noticed all the bodies, especially in Nazlet El Seman, where horses had been left tied to tree's to die (see the Telgraph from the 8th February for the first pictures........not because they were living in a different culture, but because their owners had no money and could not afford to feed themselves, let alone the horses.
Look to the future, things can't go on like this..something has got to come out of all this good work the charities are doing... Improvements all round are needed..and lots and lots of support and teaching.
Some of the very best Arabians came from Egypt. Many of these horses are descended from the British War Horses, sold and left there in the 1920's...Major Brooke's and his wife saw it first hand...she wrote to the newpapers in Britian and identified the problems..then..
But, this is a currant crisis....and we all need to support them and not be negative and find excuses to do nothing. We can all play an important role from a distance...me seeing them now or before has no bearing on the present facts.
Food, water & training will all help.
Horses in training never carry a lot of weight,often you can count every rib, but they have to be fed and fit..to do their job..this could be the same there...
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LYNDILOU
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Posted - 13 Apr 2011 : 12:24:52 PM
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I have been a staunch supporter of the Brooke since I went out there , but even I will not stand by while they walk away from this serious issue. the horses are not just lean they are emaciated to the point of death! and indeed death would be a welcome thing for many of them!
what annoys me is everytime I phone their head office I get a different person! just how many staff IS My pension supporting before it gets to the horses mouths?????  |
   
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jaj
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Posted - 13 Apr 2011 : 10:57:12 PM
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I'm still supporting the Brooke and will continue to pay my subscription  . It definitely won't help the horses if we all suddenly start cancelling our direct debits will it  ?
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LYNDILOU
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Posted - 14 Apr 2011 : 08:01:15 AM
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Well for now I am paying double to ESMA, I may return to the Brooke when and if the starvation issue stops, but as I said IF the amount of staff working at the london office is anything to go by they dont need my money as much as ESMA do right now.
I had a letter from one of the ESMA team saying that now the Brooke are going to stop feeding they will have to find double the amount of food and desperatly need funds for this. |
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Posted - 14 Apr 2011 : 08:31:13 AM
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Now I wouldn't call Lydnilou and I best pals  but you have to admire that she isn't letting this one get ignored; and you can sense that the situation is very upsetting for her, very upsetting indeed So ...
I'm sorry jaj but I think Lyndilou should give her money to the organisation she trusts best to help these horse, who she clearly feels very passionately about, don't we all. To stop her donations seems to be her last resort. She clearly is not one of the 'I've donated so I've done my bit' sort. The situation looks like it is causing her real pain and anguish; so i believe she is right to DO SOMETHING.
I appreciate that The Brook may be quite busy, but it sounds like they were not listening to her.
Personally, if I worked for them and kept getting calls from someone who cared that much, I would A) listen to what she has to say as she represents general view and B) take her phones call everytime and get as much money as I could from her, and encourage her to go off fund raising for me.
The letter they sent to Lyndilou seems to skirt the issue and is unable to admit what they intend to do, i.e., stop feeding. If they could not come right out and admit it to her, then I would suggest they know its wrong. |
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jaj
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Posted - 14 Apr 2011 : 10:53:56 AM
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Absolutely fair play to Lynda and yes as ever she is passionate and not scared to take the powers that be to task !
Power to the people, we must all do what we think is right  !
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Posted - 14 Apr 2011 : 4:02:15 PM
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Yes same here - heads up to Linda for 'talking the talk-and walking the walk' Linda your commitment and determination has certainly gained my admiration - I take my hat off to you.
Has made me have a good think about this situation rather than letting it slip off the radar, will come up with some ideas.
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Posted - 14 Apr 2011 : 4:40:19 PM
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I too would just like to say thanks to Lynda and the others that are keeping this going. Really well done for your commitment and effort. What a horrific and sad situation.
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LYNDILOU
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Posted - 14 Apr 2011 : 6:20:49 PM
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Oh , thanks I am usually shot down in flames if I speak my mind, but I am not the only one here who stands up for the voiceless ,we all play our part, its just that I am an old cantankerous sod who wants whats right and whats fair |
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Rozy Rider
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Posted - 15 Apr 2011 : 12:32:16 AM
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I did wonder if the folks sat in the London office have seen any of the recent photographs.. may be they have not.
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Rozy Rider
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Posted - 15 Apr 2011 : 1:12:44 PM
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Good idea, Lynda, keeping them posted and up todate sounds as if it is necessary.
I'll be wondering how things are going with the next planned feeding..
Thank God we have ESMA.... out there...
Just off to the the FEI ride at Haywood Oaks, got two cakes with me, wish me luck.
Back on Sunday.
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jaj
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Posted - 15 Apr 2011 : 1:19:02 PM
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Good luck Sue !!!
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Posted - 15 Apr 2011 : 3:10:46 PM
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| How strange! I sent a letter with 5 pictures in it and it has been sent back to me as spam mail???? I will try again , but maybe they dont except pictures? |
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Rozy Rider
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Posted - 17 Apr 2011 : 9:21:50 PM
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Five might be too large a file to send lynda..
Just back from a lovely weekend at Haywood Oak's (Robin Hood Country) crewing Lin's Khan in the 120km FEI class...who finished 3rd.
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ESMA - STARVING HORSES
( not from what I can see!)so I wrote back that I want my money to go to feeding , so I am going to give all my money to PAF and ESMA.
