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sab2
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 Posted - 25 Oct 2010 : 6:50:29 PM
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| Hope he has passed the vet, he looks lovely. |
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kim gasper
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Posted - 25 Oct 2010 : 8:25:39 PM
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Just wanted to say to everybody....Nobody is more elated than I, that Zoocat stepped in so swiftly & arranged everything within a few hours. Don't ask me why I felt SO CERTAIN that this was indeed our treasured Kaz's son. I just studied the horse in the picture & knew instinctively, then when I got the phonecall from Zoocat & she confirmed I was right, I was simply stunned!!! I had thought about Kaz's son so much in the past, wondering what sort of "life" he was having over in Ireland, knowing that the "lady" who had owned both of them thought only of Arabs as being good for "doing 30 miles every day". My head is still reeling from this & I already have dreams of a re-union of Mum & Son in the future. Can't wait to meet him....
Will attempt to post the pic of Kaz on here for you Zoocat.... |
Many years experience owning & riding my own horses. Fell in love with Arabians at 11 years old when given a ride on "Trevallion", a 3/4 bred who was a livery where I worked as a stablehand. I have never forgotten that ride, Thank You Yvonne- should you ever read this!I now have 2 beautiful purebreds.
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kim gasper
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Posted - 25 Oct 2010 : 8:26:31 PM
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Just wanted to say to everybody....Nobody is more elated than I, that Zoocat stepped in so swiftly & arranged everything within a few hours. Don't ask me why I felt SO CERTAIN that this was indeed our treasured Kaz's son. I just studied the horse in the picture & knew instinctively, then when I got the phonecall from Zoocat & she confirmed I was right, I was simply stunned!!! I had thought about Kaz's son so much in the past, wondering what sort of "life" he was having over in Ireland, knowing that the "lady" who had owned both of them thought only of Arabs as being good for "doing 30 miles every day". My head is still reeling from this & I already have dreams of a re-union of Mum & Son in the future. Can't wait to meet him....
Will attempt to post the pic of Kaz on here for you Zoocat.... |
Many years experience owning & riding my own horses. Fell in love with Arabians at 11 years old when given a ride on "Trevallion", a 3/4 bred who was a livery where I worked as a stablehand. I have never forgotten that ride, Thank You Yvonne- should you ever read this!I now have 2 beautiful purebreds.
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zooscat
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Posted - 25 Oct 2010 : 10:05:34 PM
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| He passed the vetting! "Thin and rather neglected, but a nice sort" said The Grand Vet! So - OK to travel and arranging transport for early part of next week - have also negotiated with very handsome Irish Boss with a weakness for good horses,some time off work to settle him in. Had a quiet chat with Ryazan tonight; he presented his round shiny bay Crabbet bottom for a scratch and said the Arabian equivalent of "Yeah - whatever. I'm still here after all those expensive rescue project horses have been mended and found good homes.. anyway, how many rugs has he got?" (Me; "None, so you'll have to share". Ry; "You've got to be joking - me? Share??" Me; Oh - OK")He's right - he'll always be Top Horse, but I'm getting excited and nervous in equal parts about Aragorn! |
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Callisto
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Posted - 26 Oct 2010 : 08:29:32 AM
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That is such good news Zooscat (hard enough to get a non-neglected horse through a vetting sometimes), and I'm not surprised you're excited - I'm excited, and that's purely by proxy!
I'm near Tunbridge Wells, and may well be able to help on the rug front if Ry definitely needs all his! I too have a huge weakness for bays  . |
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kim gasper
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England
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Posted - 26 Oct 2010 : 09:42:17 AM
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Don't be nervous Zoocat-just be excited! He is definately going to be "his Mothers son" (another of my instinctive feelings!) with whom you will be able to build a fantastic relationship, as I have with Kazzie.I think his only "problem" will turn out to be that he will never have experienced humans who actually treat him with any respect, intellegence OR consideration. He will, I suspect, also be confused by the distinctly different "Engish accent", BUT, inspite of it all, he will be kind, I just know it!!! & if he blossoms into half as good a riding horse as Kazzie, then you've got yourself a FANTASTIC horse.
You should have a look at her in action on;
arab mares hoys 2009
She is the last mare you see in the clip & does'nt she float??!! |
Many years experience owning & riding my own horses. Fell in love with Arabians at 11 years old when given a ride on "Trevallion", a 3/4 bred who was a livery where I worked as a stablehand. I have never forgotten that ride, Thank You Yvonne- should you ever read this!I now have 2 beautiful purebreds.
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Totalrookie
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Posted - 26 Oct 2010 : 10:00:33 AM
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| Can I just add my tuppence worth to say I also recognise the guy who has him, and although the wee horse is in terrible condition, he would not have allowed any of his horses to deliberately get in this state. He comes from a very well respected dealing/hunting family and had obviously come by this little chap (probably part-ex for something else) and being a dealer is shifing him on. Arabs are not really sought after or rated at all over here in Ireland, and it's very unlikely that his breeding would come into it at all. I have had friends purchase horses from this yard and they have gone on to event, show at Balmoral etc. I have no doubt at all that if Aragon had ended up having to winter at the yard, he would have been looked after and fattened up - they are dealers, but they wouldn't neglect or mistreat any horse. In my opinion whoever sold the horse to this dealer guy is the culprit, and I'd say he's been in the dealers's yard less than a fortnight. Just my thoughts folks, please don't shoot me down in flames! I am still delighted that the little horse has found a loving, Arab-appreciative home as there would be a very limited market for him over here and he probably would have ended up passed about, or at the sales. |
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kim gasper
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Posted - 26 Oct 2010 : 10:43:47 AM
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Hi Totalrookie,
Please understand that I do not hold the current owner responsible for what Aragon has experienced. I now own his dam, C.A.S. Kazurai, but when Aragon was born, he was owned by a "lady" who had not one kind thought about any ARAB horse. When I learned she had registared him as AraGON, her thought's were definately NOT lost on me!!! She tried to make Kazzie look like a Thoroughbred whilst she was in her ownership, pulling both her mane & tail & also cutting her tail level with her hock's. She catagorically stated that "the mare (i.e. Kaz)was "just good" for 30 mile a day". The "lady" purchased her 'cause she wanted a good riding horse....she clearly did'nt rate her as one....but obviously the judges at HOYS & the British National Championship Show would very strongly disagree with her on that one. She had not a thought or a care of what became of Aragon, she just wanted rid. |
Many years experience owning & riding my own horses. Fell in love with Arabians at 11 years old when given a ride on "Trevallion", a 3/4 bred who was a livery where I worked as a stablehand. I have never forgotten that ride, Thank You Yvonne- should you ever read this!I now have 2 beautiful purebreds.
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precious
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Posted - 26 Oct 2010 : 11:58:58 AM
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how lucky is this horse :) well done for seeing the potential in him to take the risk of a horse not in the best condition.
Totalrookie your right there is good dealers, i know of a few dealers by me that take on in part ex poor horses and they either turn them around into top class horses or sell which ever works out better for them. Sounds like this horse has landed on his feet with the dealer as now has found a great home x |
     
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Totalrookie
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Posted - 26 Oct 2010 : 12:40:36 PM
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| Hi Kim, no worries I just wanted to clarify my opinion on this guy selling Aragon....he is a dealer, yes but one of the better ones over here and I am surprised at him having a horse in Aragon's condition forsale. I personally could not sell a horse in that state, I would have to 'rehabilitate' it first, but yeah at the end of the day, dealers are dealers and they see a horse as a commodity. I reiterate my earlier comment about Aragon being very lucky to have found a fab new home, if it had been this time last year before I found my lovely purebred boy, I'd have had him like a shot. If the lady who had your mare Kaz, and Aragon when he was born, is from over here, her attitude is disgraceful (well it's disgraceful even if she's not from Ireland) but sadly typical of horsey people over here i.e. they think the Arab is a good for nothing one trick pony. Anyway, main thing is Aragon will now be safe, well-looked after and loved as he deserves, I am disgusted that he has ended up in the condition he's in at the hands no doubt of supposed horse lovers, but because I know the dealer I just wanted to kind of defend him! I know he wouldn't condone the horse being as poor as he is but I suppose too at the end of the day, most dealers do have a harder attitude than we do...not right, just a fact of the world we live in. By the way, your mare is gorgeous...clearly the 'lady' who had her didn't know what she was talking about. |
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Nichole Waller
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Posted - 26 Oct 2010 : 1:30:10 PM
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Zooscat you are a complete angle.. Well done for stepping in and rescuing the poor boy. I'm sure with some TLC he will turn into a lovely young man.
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pinkvboots
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Posted - 26 Oct 2010 : 1:50:33 PM
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| I am so glad he passed the vetting, cant wait for some pictures well done again Zooscat. xx |
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barbara.gregory
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Posted - 26 Oct 2010 : 2:51:24 PM
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Well done, Zooscat, all the best with him. I love bays.
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zooscat
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Posted - 26 Oct 2010 : 3:56:39 PM
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| Help! Advice please! A vet who The Current Owner wouldn't allow on his yard, who I phoned to see A before I learnt that, has just phoned me back and has as good as said that if I took A on without bloods done to check he wasn't buted to the n'th degreee to pass the vetting - I might be getting myself a real load of chronic trouble which might end up with him having chronic lameness etc etc. This vet suggested someone else who would be independent. If I want another vetting it will cost even more, and if it tells me he is chronically lame, I cant leave him there any way. So I am inclined to leave it as it is and proceed to get him back here and see what we've got. Any other good ideas? I also dont want to p*** the CO off by appearing to doubt his friend the Important Vet, or get in the middle of professional dislikes etc. But, if he comes over, and is chronically anything that means he cant be ridden in the moderately near future, that means I have two intermittantly lame Arabs - this is of course worse case scenario but I'm in a bit of a panic about it. |
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erica giles
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Posted - 26 Oct 2010 : 4:03:43 PM
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| Very unethical of the vet to say that, you have committed yourself now. Life is full of chances I would continue with the purchase. He looks a lovely chap |
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zooscat
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Posted - 26 Oct 2010 : 4:11:48 PM
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Just to add, mainly for Kim's benefit, this vet person who was of the opinion that A might have been buted etc (please dont yell at me - I'm not getting at any vet or the currrent owner - I'm just running past you all what one person said who knows both the horse and the dam and TCO) gelded Aragon when he was a colt, and that both he and his mother were in excellent condition, as are all the horses owned by "the lady". The vet thought that it was not she who sold A to TCO, but that it was another person who she doesnt know.
Hope this isn't going to turn into open warfare, with TCO and "the lady" and The Important Vet finding out the comments on this forum and suing me and not allowing the sale to proceed. Can you tell I've had a stressy day at work as well? |
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Callisto
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Posted - 26 Oct 2010 : 4:16:21 PM
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How does vet know this unless he has seen A? Has he seen him before or is this professional spat and him trying to do CO bad turn? Even if A was buted Vet who did see him should have reported signs of any obvious injury/twisted legs/deformed feet. If you have any horse vetted and bloods are not taken then you run the risk of finding out they were buted up to the eyeballs, maybe this is what the vet meant, rather than he has specific knowledge of Aragon himself. Fingers crossed that actually nothing wrong with him at all.
Nasty phonecall to get Zooscat, but as you feel you can't leave him there anyway (and I can totally understand why) wait til you get him home and see what is what.
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Wrote the above before I read your last post, but unless vet you spoke to has specific knowledge that A has an existing problem that would need to be disguised with bute, then all he is doing is warning you of the situation if you do not take bloods and it turns out he was buted. (Vet insisted on doing this when I bought Lily, not because he thought she was being drugged to disguise a problem, but in case I tried to sue him if Lily turned out to have a problem that had been disguised).
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erica giles
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Posted - 26 Oct 2010 : 4:21:26 PM
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| Totally agree with Callisto he will probably turn out to be amazing!!! |
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precious
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Posted - 26 Oct 2010 : 4:50:14 PM
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i agree with castillo, most vets recommend a bloody test to cover themselves if the horse goes lame after. But if i recall they wont test the bloods unless requested and there is a problem.
Its more money for you to pay out and i get the feeling you dont want to wait much longer till you can get him the tlc he wants and needs.
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honey
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Posted - 26 Oct 2010 : 9:16:13 PM
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| hope it turns out to be all genuine and that he arrives to you safely and sound. |
    
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debs
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Posted - 26 Oct 2010 : 9:42:30 PM
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| What a nightmare, hope all turns out well for you and poor pony x |
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MinHe
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Posted - 26 Oct 2010 : 11:20:27 PM
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Thinking about it, I suppose it is sensible to ask for bloods to be done whenever buying from a dealer, as not all are 100% honest!
Maybe that is all that was implied here?
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Arachnid
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Posted - 27 Oct 2010 : 09:01:15 AM
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Could you insure him for loss of use at least until you know that hes sound? Presumably you could do that since you have a 'pass' from the important vet? |
   
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BeckyBoodle
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Posted - 27 Oct 2010 : 09:10:01 AM
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Would loss of use cover? I thought most insurance companies won't cover for anything showing or arising in the first two weeks of ownership. That said, don't most vettings take bloods? I had a 2 stage vetting with Eba as she was only 16 months at the time and they took bloods to hold but I don't think did anything with them as I had no reason to get them analysed.
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Pasha
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Posted - 27 Oct 2010 : 09:36:21 AM
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| Only just seen this as been on hols!!! I really hope you get it sorted Zooscat and get him home! Well done for doing your best for this little chap xxx |
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