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Delyth
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pathannay
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debs
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 Posted - 19 Aug 2010 : 10:57:55 AM
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It is a shame that this topic has got so personal... it makes such interesting reading....and am loving the pics, old and new!
More please... |
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LYNDILOU
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BabsR
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SueB
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Posted - 19 Aug 2010 : 11:09:18 AM
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Stunning............how can anyone not like, not appreciate and not want one? |
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TOOTHLESS
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Posted - 19 Aug 2010 : 11:26:00 AM
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| Sorry, I Must have missed something along the line, I Don't know what the tension is about. Must be because I'm a MERE MALE? |
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debs
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Posted - 19 Aug 2010 : 11:39:17 AM
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Obviously!!!!
Cant wait to see your girls baby.... she is such a gorgeous girl! |
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Pashon2001
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Posted - 19 Aug 2010 : 12:27:27 PM
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Here is Maymunah again being shown in Qatar, showing true type, she would fit in with the modern horses, as said before she got a creditable 6th at the UKIAHS at 19 yrs old!! Also one of the few ever horses scoring 18 for legs!!!
And her again as a 22yr old at a local show, hardly gone coarse after years of racing and being a broodmare has she! Also not conditioned and shown by me (an idiot).
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debs
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Maramoo
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Posted - 19 Aug 2010 : 12:44:28 PM
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Wow Now we're talking!! What fantastic pictures Babs, Delyth and Pashon Beautiful horses that could certainly all "do a job" |
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TOOTHLESS
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Posted - 19 Aug 2010 : 12:50:24 PM
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| PASHON : NOT with a dragon. Your no Idiot. She's a beautiful mare and you've put in the work. |
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Pashon2001
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lisa rachel
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Posted - 19 Aug 2010 : 3:46:04 PM
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lovely pics everyone!
Pashon, the breeding and stamp of both your foundation mares is fabulous (imo!), I just came back for another look, I can't for various reasons ride today and it's my day off I have about a million things to do but just had another quick peek!
As for Rusleema
Kimzi, I think you I know what you meant by thickening
out, I am sure you meant a juvenile compared to a fully mature horse, as we are all aware that once mature, many Arabs dry out and become more beautiful with age.
Delyth,Lynda, Sue, I am sorry that I always seem to end up ranting on about legs and performance, I really am, I am not against in hand showing at all I have said on here many times that I think it an excellent education for a young horse. I admit that I think sound conformation and ridden performance absolutely vital but part of the reason I am SO sensitive about it is that because of my job in the general horse world I CONSTANTLY and wearyingly find myself defending the Arab against people who view it as psychotic cripple. My view is that there is not, never has been, nor is there ever likely to be a finer horse in this world. However when I see people breeding from unproven horses with serious limb faults (and I am NOT refering to anyone on here, but it does happen) it makes my heart sink, it just proves that those people who criticise the breed have a case .
For what it's worth Sue I am of your original view , I like to see short cannons wrt a longer forarm and well let down hocks, this is a stronger conformation than a long cannon, it is not the cannon bone itself,but the 'weak link' structures that break down under strain which are mostly between the knee and fetlock....superficial and deep flexor tendons, ddft check ligament and importantly in Arabs the suspensory ligament origin, body and branches which are put under great strain in the process of giving us such a 'floating on air, ride.
Right, must go and do something useful!!
Cheers
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LYNDILOU
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Posted - 19 Aug 2010 : 6:26:26 PM
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Donna , was that the Maymunah that used to belong to Umn Qarn(SP) in Limpsfield?? if so you are one lucky person to have been able to buy her. !
has she had any foals for you? if so can we see them ? |
   
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Kazhak
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Posted - 19 Aug 2010 : 10:35:24 PM
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Wow what an interesting thread.. some very interesting points here..
thought I'd share my thoughts.. firstly I would probably choose that first horse in that first picture, obviously not based on that picture of him.. over many badly conformed arabians being bred these days.. not that all are badly conformed.. (please don't bite my head off thinking I'm referring to anyone's horses here - I'm not) got to remember that photo was badly taken.. & comparing it to such a lovely specimen who had by the looks some on the end of the camera who knew what they were doing & at a show no less was entirely unfair! lol
I have so many old photographs of so many of those famous old style Arabians it was hard to choose just 1 or 2 to show as comparisons, I will however write a quick background before posting my 'graph's the first pic is the only pic I could find of the particular horse I wanted to show.. (if anyone knows of the horse & might have some more to share please PM me I'm looking for more & would love some) - the reason why I settled on the first horse is due to the line up in the pedigree of all 3 of the stallions pictured in my post.
obviously the picture does not do him justice, still
this next is a grandson of that stallion (funny you mention the Ralvon bloodline toothless, as pilgrim is part of my comparison)
& last but not least my fathers Stallion who is a son of the above stallion, please be kind these were taken on a cheap digital & in winter & he was a bit dusty from a roll after his rugs were taken off & he's woolly as anything, not to mention he is 20 years young.!!!
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I do have better head shots of him floating around somewhere, & while not the most extremely pretty head, he does have a quality head & always breeds beautiful heads, after he breeds great legs!! (grin)
my basic check for quality always starts at the feet & legs, then moves up, firstly I'll check to see if all the angles line up correctly. can't go wrong there..
Edited to say... wow lovely photos Pashon.. beautiful mare.. quality is still quality no matter its model number!
also very well said Lisa rachel, loved your comments & info on legs & short cannons.. I was always taught no matter what the breed is, it should have relative short cannons & a long forearm & free elbows & well let down hocks & gaskins that are neither too skinny nor to wide.
yes I have spent years here too defending the Arab as not being banana headed & psychotic.. nice to see there are others out there who are doing the same..
still those that don't see the truth are the unlucky ones.. for the Arabian is the greatest breed of horse on the planet.. from their genetic make up & rich temperament, from their almost seeming riding compatibility with us humans to a conformation that is air ride at its best.. to their quick wits & lovable natures, & Lastly their unrivaled Passion & lust for life... that is the thing that gets me every time... when I get a chance to visit my dads stallions & watch a 20 something year old stallion show off in the paddock just because your there to enjoy it with him.... & watch him snort & fly & then in moments be calm & have my dad sitting underneath him...
taken right after the above action shots,
I am sorry my post has grown in the editing.. but the Arabian is so hard not to be passionate about.. thinking about it actually brings tears to my eyes (silly romantic that I am)
lastly just cause I love the inadvertant lighting affect I captured with this one..
can you tell that I am in absolute love with this lovely boy.. I can't help it, I was 8 when he was born.. I still remember the day! (secretly he is other than my own stallion the only man I am truly in love with, the only "Man" I feel this strongly about)
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TOOTHLESS
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Posted - 20 Aug 2010 : 06:18:34 AM
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Ralvon Pilgrim was a magnificent arabian horse. His dam Trix Silver produced some beautiful stock from a variety of stallions. I feel sure his movement came from her, and he passed it on. He was unlike his sire Rickham and more like his grand sire Rissam. Rissam was used by Lady W as an example of the perfect head and neck.
Ralvon Pilgrim was sent to England and won Supreme International champion as part of the celebration of the Queen's silver jubilee.
If Pilgrim was alive today he would still be applauded in the ring. |
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LYNDILOU
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Posted - 20 Aug 2010 : 08:30:48 AM
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all the horses above were excellent ambassadors for the breed , no one will dispute that, I will continue to look to the future, breed for excellence and the type that shouts Arabian and cannot be confused with any other breed !
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TOOTHLESS
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Posted - 20 Aug 2010 : 10:48:10 AM
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I'm sure we would all agree with you Linda: and that's why the Arabian Standard Of Excellence is in place.
Personal preferences can be a stumbling block. |
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Maramoo
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Posted - 20 Aug 2010 : 11:53:06 AM
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A vintage shot that belies it's age A horse ahead of his time. |
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Caro23
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Posted - 20 Aug 2010 : 11:57:40 AM
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LYNDILOU
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Posted - 20 Aug 2010 : 1:20:06 PM
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| I think that is Naziri (sp) ? the rare son of Skowronek and ancestor of the Carmargue bloodlines which I prize so much yes he was a horse ahead of his time as was his sire |
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Kazhak
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Posted - 20 Aug 2010 : 1:28:39 PM
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Hi Maramoo of course he was...
Toothless, I would agree with you, it was one of the major reasons my family chose to breed to Pilgrim when we had the chance.. Dads stallion is something awesome to ride.. his trot is still my standard of excellence & I don't often get to ride anything that is the same..
the other reason I put the picture of Rissam is also he's the namesake of our boy.. apparently he was the same colour in summer.. |
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Pashon2001
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Posted - 20 Aug 2010 : 2:43:22 PM
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| Lynda - Yes it is that Maymunah, I bought her from UMM Qarn many years ago. Unfortunately she never gave me any foals (wasnt for want of trying) but I enjoyed her beauty nonetheless. She passed away last November at the age of 25. I was soooo proud to own her. |
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LYNDILOU
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Posted - 20 Aug 2010 : 3:43:03 PM
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I remember seeing her there about 15 years ago now a stunning mare, she stood out by a mile from the others in the field, how lucky you were to share her life |
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Type? ...........pix
