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Zenitha
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 Posted - 03 Aug 2010 : 9:32:11 PM
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I think it is wrong to say that if people don't like the banging and hollering they shouldn't go - we are all there to see the same thing - beautiful Arabians, and if EVERYONE who didn't like the OTT behaviour stayed home there would be a hell of a lot less spectators !
I spent a LOT of money in entries and show livery for my colt, only to end up with an injured handler and a half rate performance, thanks to other's behaviour in the collecting ring 
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lottieherts
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Posted - 03 Aug 2010 : 9:37:15 PM
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I was there on the Thursday and Saturday, but sadly missed out on the Friday. There was absolutely no atmosphere to begin with on the Thursday and I think I am not alone if I say many of the (few) spectators hesitated in clapping. A commentator who briefly came to call (who I always find entertaining) then lifted the atmosphere and said we should show our appreciation for the horses, which we did! And it became much more fun for the spectators and the horses - you could see them lift.. There were one or two that looked like they were not having fun, but to be fair I don't think it was the clapping they did not like as they came into the rings with their tails down and they had not been wound up in the collecting ring. I think exhibits and spectators were down by quite a lot but this has been an on going trend. Competing is expensive and attending a show for 3 days can also work out pricey. The noise on Saturday was a lot less than I have heard in previous years, so perhaps, as I have said in posts in another topic, we are heading for a happy medium. Agreed some of the noise in the collecting area tipped the stallions over the edge, or rather up in the air, but give credit where credit is due, the handlers asked for quiet and the spectators duly responded.
If a horse comes into the ring with a 20 20 20 trot I think one would expect the crowd to erupt, its exciting!!! Most horses with this sort of trot love the atmosphere, lets face it if a horse does not like the showing atmosphere, there is no point taking it out. With regards to outside assistance I have seen far more handler requested noise depreciation this year than ever before. For those that don't like the noise, surely that's a move in the right direction? I think it's a case of those watching get over excited, if the handlers continue to ask for calm....That is sure to ensue. |
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debs
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 03 Aug 2010 : 9:52:32 PM
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Sounds hideous! Would be gutted if my horse was frightened witless by these people. Some horses may perform well to all the noise.... obviously a lot dont!
Why do the british have to copy the Americans?????????? |
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vjc
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 03 Aug 2010 : 9:52:36 PM
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| very sensibly put lottieherts. I adore the purebred and feel we should be content with its natural happy exhuberant paces and not need to force the issue to the detriment of the national show, the breed, and its followers. After all a horse that naturally has presence should never need to be wound up. |
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angel2002
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 03 Aug 2010 : 10:19:33 PM
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My mare has been shown in hand at Malvern and at Towerlands, she went out last year Novice ridden and done very well, not in the slightest bit bothered by spectators at the ringside, in one class when someone slammed a bin lid down she stood like a rock whilst others struggled to control their mounts  So perhaps her earlier 'training' at shows with lots of noise helped 
There are many other ridden horses that have had top level in-hand careers, higher than my mare every will and they are fabulous under-saddle.... Two Stallions that come to mind are Ruger and Kuda...Both winners at Top level in-hand and both winners under-saddle Another that I will mention as I remember watching her as a youngster in-hand and actually competed against her ridden last year is the lovely mare Psynammon 
With regard making noise to deliberately put other peoples horses off their stride, sorry that really is not what happens, if an 'unknown person' is showing an 'unknown' horse most of the crowd hardly makes any noise, all you will hear is a polite clap from some, unless of course the horse is a absolute trotting machine I am not disagreeing that some people do go a bit OTT with the noise, I have 'had words' in the past when a 'whip with bag' nearly took my eye out!! A couple of rattles of a bottle usually does the trick and is enough to get the snort & blow that everyone loves to see
I enjoyed Malvern this year (thank you Sally and Team  ) I will be going again and I will definately be at Towerlands 
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jas
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Posted - 03 Aug 2010 : 10:51:17 PM
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I am glad that some enjoyed the show whilst others didn't, and all the complaint are about the noise etc. Only the society or the other powers that be can change that.
What interests me is, what on earth was going on in the early hours of Sunday morning. It sounded like people going round on motor bikes, or quad bikes and horses being moved from one stable to another. Can anyone enlighten me? |
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kcv1223
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England
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Posted - 03 Aug 2010 : 11:17:48 PM
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My horses personally love the noisey adoration. They are taught at home as babies that noise = FUN
Thank god Jas, Someone asked the question I wanted answered!
We were chatting away in our tent in the furthest field at 10.30 Sat night when someone shone a torch in our faces and said "pack up and go home". Apparently the guys who had been racing the Subaru around earlier, who were exhibitors, were high on drugs and let horses out and then the jungle drums said they had knives!
We decided that at that point they wouldn't come back so went to bed - slept like babies - and woke up at 8am Sunday morning.
I know who the perpetrators where as we were the only other tent in the far field - as we were last year, same problem!
Shame it spoilt the end of a fabulous show :-)
Just say NO comes to mind - it messes up the nicest people....
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suyents
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 04 Aug 2010 : 08:21:28 AM
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As Angel said, EVERY year people make these comments, and i believe the ONLY way to stop it is to vote with your pocket. Owners MUST take a stand and not support trainers who use these techniques to produce show horses, and they must NOT enter shows where this behaviour is accommodated. If this results in the National breed show and Towerlands losing entries then the secretaries will eventually change things, or the shows will become very ellitist gatherings that the public do NOT attend. Simple.
I did not attend this year, but i have noticed that necks are getting longer and so are bodies...i wonder if people realise (or care) that these two characteristics are often anatomically related??) and a good friend of mine reported back to me two choice comments made by a judge. One was addressed to the winner of a class upon being told that the horse was about to go off to be backed: "Oh! But ....is far too good to be a ridden horse"...and the other comment was to an exhibitor who didn't stand at the top, "Well, .....would make a ridden horse." When this person asked the judge, "Isn't that what horses are meant to be?" the judge walked away. I despair. if we have JUDGES at our NATIONAL BREED show with this type of ignorant prejudice, what hope is there?
and, just for the record, Tarac loves showing, the hype has never bothered him so i am not moaning with sour grapes, although i have to admit, i don;t think his better manners have ever done him any favours in the ring as an older horse. |
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Pop
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England
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Posted - 04 Aug 2010 : 08:52:31 AM
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Hi Angel, how you doing  , was up for a good old debate yesterday, but feel a bit pants today. However if people outside the areana use "tricks" to enhance the performance of a certain horse, then its possible that, for example, a plastic bag will improve the performance of their horse, because they have trained it so, but it may send another persons horse from a nice trot to a scatty canter. So a plastic bay may improve their horse but decrease the performance of another. Didnt explain that very well but you know what I mean (think I have a badger nesting in my head). 
(Sorry about the graphic, just absolutely could not resist.)
Its difficult to think with a badger in your head, but I think what people are saying is that they really really want to watch the in hand, but its spoilt by the undignified behaviour of the crowd (and I say that from what people have said not what I have seen, I've never been, so I shouldnt really comment, but I have )
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amyribbon
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Posted - 04 Aug 2010 : 10:52:55 AM
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ooooh - am new to all this? What's this all about? I did hear alot of cheering and calling on Saturday and I just LOVED the fact that the grey ridden horse that won the supreme (I think - sorry, first show!) didn't seem at all bothered by the calling. Isn't that what having an Arab is all about? Having a bombproof ridden horse??
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Milotkha
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Posted - 04 Aug 2010 : 11:17:04 AM
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The cheering and clapping is what we all love.
its just the banging the sides of the areana and making those types of noises that some of us feel ruins the horses movement, and there is no need for it. As our breed is naturally showy and flambourant (sp)
To be honest.. alot has been said about this and I really dont wanna make out that I didnt enjoy the show, because I really really did enjoy it. Things will never change, but I guess if you have your horse shown by a handler and you pre warn them to stop the crowd should they start, then your horse isnt going to be scared or its movement ruined by them.
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NatH
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England
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Posted - 04 Aug 2010 : 11:28:05 AM
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I don't think that anyone who has followed pure bred arabians for 25+ should be 'banished to the ridden and part bred rings' Incidentally I do love the ridden and parts breds
I love Malvern and love the atmosphere but I just wish everyone would 'stick to the rules' of NO outside interferance. I wouldn't complain if they weren't breaking the rules. However I do agree with showing your appreciation of the exhibits by clapping & a cheer or two.
Some horses are not affected by the din. My Veteran mare would love it quite frankly. But there are some horses and some spectators, who just don't like the noise.
I have many friends, who love the 'hyping up' of horses and they know where I stand ~ I just hate it. I won't change my mind and will continue to protest when it happens. When the rules change and encourage outside interferance, only then shall I keep quiet [theres that wall again]
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Annette
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Posted - 04 Aug 2010 : 3:45:21 PM
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| Jas, we heard and saw the motorbikes as well but they didn't seem to be around for long. However, the Sunday morning the guy in the caravan next to ours - he was one of the ring stewards- asked if we had heard all the disturbance the night before. I asked if he meant the motorbikes and he said no not that. The police were called in in the early hours, apparently some mindless morons had been letting off the fire extinguishers in the stable areas, and had let one off into a horse's face. If this is true, it is appalling and those responsible want banning for a considerable time from any future shows run by the AHS. |
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Milotkha
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Posted - 04 Aug 2010 : 3:54:05 PM
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WTF...!!!!!
Just not enough words to describe what those people are..! |
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Kazzy
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England
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Posted - 04 Aug 2010 : 3:59:30 PM
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These people who let of fire exstinguishers in a horses face want banning for a few years of they are Arab horse society members!! how shocking
I dont know what went on on Saturday night I was home by then in my own bed but drug taking, riding about on bykes and letting out horses is just not on and they need banning in my opinion, how stupd and what would have happened if there had been a serious accident or god forbid a horse killed. Stupid bloody people
As for the noise outside the ring then in my case I find the shanking and pulling about of horses more upsetting, I was more upset to see horses terrified of their handlers than people waving whips around with tesco carrier bags attatched to them, I dont like them hyped up I too think they break stride, it is against the rules for outside interference and only the stewards of DC's can stop it.
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jas
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Posted - 04 Aug 2010 : 4:05:06 PM
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A friend of mine was woken at 1.30a.m. and told to move her horse as quickly as possible as there was trouble and some horses were being threatened by louts who were apparently off their heads with drugs or alcohol.
All I know is that quite a few people moved their horses - some packed up and went home in the middle of the night to avoid trouble. Others moved their animals to different stables and moved their horse boxes to near the stables.
Where oh where was the security?
There were children on the showground!!!!!!! Behaviour like this is an utter disgrace, and should be dealt with, with the utmost severity from the society. How much longer has one got to endure this disgusting display of criminal behaviour - this is a horse show! |
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Milotkha
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Posted - 04 Aug 2010 : 4:12:54 PM
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| That is unreal... why oh why doe people do it. It surely wasnt anyone involved with the show? Please dont tell me it was..! |
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Zenitha
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England
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Posted - 04 Aug 2010 : 9:07:27 PM
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Unfortunately yes it was 
Not many people got any sleep that night - all that has been said is true - many people who had stayed the extra night because they were too tired to drive home safely, ended up going home anyway in the early hours
Horses and people were threatened, although I have to say I was not aware of the police being present at any point ? I was told they weren't called as it was important to avoid any more adverse publicity for the show ? I don't know whether this is true or not.
IMO the people responsible (who ARE known to the AHS) should have at least a 2 year ban from the show. What a pity a few idiots had to spoil an otherwise lovely show for everyone else |
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debs
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Posted - 04 Aug 2010 : 9:17:08 PM
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| Why only 2 years? That kind of senseless behaviour should get a lifetime ban! IDIOTS |
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Di Ellis
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 04 Aug 2010 : 10:20:18 PM
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Having read all these comments it is obvious to me that things are now worse than last year which was bad enough. I was at the show on the Friday for the Crabbet Classes and was worried sick by the noise coming from the main stand - much worse than last year. It was literally moving from all the feet banging and movement going on during the youngstock classes in the morning. I was concerned that we had to lead our Crabbets behind the main stand to get to the arena B to the right of the Main Arena. This is just not fair on other people who want to show their horses at Malvern in their respective classes without winding them up and upsetting them.
I also understood that there were going to be more DC's available this year after the problems that arose at last year's show. Once again the Arab Horse Society are so obviously afraid of taking a stand over this whole matter even though they assured us at the AGM that things would be dealt with.
It sounds to me that it was much worse than last year - with the stables not even being monitored properly at night now.
How worrying for owners who had to load their horses and go home before they intended to do so therefore spoiling their whole week-end.
I am glad that I only went up for the one day this year as I got upset enough last year.
This is our National Show and it is not doing the Arab Horse any favours whatsoever. No doubt there will be a mention once again in the media.
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Suelin
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Posted - 05 Aug 2010 : 01:14:43 AM
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janice
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Posted - 06 Aug 2010 : 11:38:33 PM
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I love to clap and cheer for a horse that has just shown it's wonderful rhythmic trot.
I cannot understand tin rattling, bin banging etc at the side of the ring when horses were preparing to do their individual trot as the horses just broke into canter and the poor judge couldn't possibly see how it went and neither could the spectators.
This behaviour by the minority is becoming a nuisance.
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george
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Posted - 07 Aug 2010 : 7:26:11 PM
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We stayed the Saturday night and all we heard was loud music,there was a point when we were in bed when we heard roaring cars and some arguing going on, we were in the far field with just a few other tents and a caravan, we woke on Sunday morning to find our old jeep had had the rubber seal on the windscreen had been stolen we were approached by a woman who said her five year old son had been threatened with being arrested by the police in the night, needless to say we didn't want to get involved and just packed up and went, but I think we will try and be in one of the other fields next year as I think our property might be safer in a busy area  As for the noise, I like the atmosphere from cheering and clapping but I do agree that some people are OTT and that is not fair on the other exhibitors, it seems that some people have forgotten their manners  |
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Jingo
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Posted - 08 Aug 2010 : 10:04:41 PM
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I have read this thread over and over and feel very saddened that some have to complain and moan about all manner of things to do with the show.
I have attended our National Show for too many years to count – in good times, bad weather etc etc. I always come away thankful that we have a National show where we can enjoy and show our horses.
We have to move with the times and yes I agree in previous years things have not worked out as we would have liked it – whether too much shouting, clapping or bad management and poor timetable of the show.
This year I take exception to people MOANING that things have not improved or that no one listens or take control of any situation that may arise.
We all get enthusiastic when certain horses (whom we admire/own or would love to own) enter the ring and there is no problem with showing our appreciation of these horses – whether we whoop, clap, cheer or whatever.
If handlers in the collecting ring don’t want to get involved with the exuberance of certain owners – hold back until the end of the run in (keep your horses quietly in a corner) or make sure you go in first and get out of the way – the choice is yours. Yes the DCs are there to make sure there is no abuse or danger to animals/humans and I am sure they do that.
With regards the noise from the stands and the swaying and moving of said stand due to foot stamping – I was standing by the top end of the Crabbet ring watching the classes and believe me I heard and saw NO swaying of stand – in fact horses were walking quietly down the horse walk at the back – well away from said stand and I didn’t notice any problems. Perhaps Diane your horses were bouncing looking forward to their class.
With regards the problems overnight – I stayed Thursday and Friday nights and I must say everything was quiet and there was no excessive noise. I cannot comment on Saturday night because I didn’t stay but I am sure the Show Director and her staff were well aware of any problems and had the necessary people involved to sort things out.
With regards the comments that things must be worse this year than last – had these people stayed on the show ground for the whole show they would realise that this year the show was run smoothly and that everyone was having a really good time.
Sadly the minority always try to spoil it for the majority but this year the minority is just that. So I hope everyone will join together and support the show and say congratulations to those who have worked so hard to make it our National show.
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mirage
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