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Milotkha
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 Posted - 02 Aug 2010 : 4:08:32 PM
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| It is a shame... almost every single horse would be trotting out beautifully, some amazing movements, then the stupid noise would start and it would be ruined. It got my back up and I felt so angry. I loved the clapping, appreciating the breathtaking movement of our breed is more than welcome, but why ruin it and take it that step to far..!!!!! |
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numbbum
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Posted - 02 Aug 2010 : 4:58:43 PM
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I went to Malvern on the Saturday, my first time there and my first national show in twenty years. I'd just like to say I agree with all that's been said with regard to noise etc, although after being at Towerlands it's almost restrained! Why spoil a horses moment in front of the judge with all this whooping and hollering? It does nothing to enhance their performance and spectators have plenty of time to clap when the horses first enter the ring and when they make there way around the back. I took a friend who had no experience of Arab's or the world of in-hand showing and she was very distressed and puzzled by the antics of some of the crowd. I found myself having to apologize to her! She asked if Arab's have to have all this noise to perform! So sad to hear. However, she did have tears in her eyes during the foal championship and was in awe at the stallions, so I guess we have another convert on our hands.
The ridden classes(or those I saw) were magnificent and the ridden championship a joy to watch. All those involved had a real rapport with their horses and it became a real tearjerker at the end, with kisses and cuddles all round. Very different from the in-hand ring.
On the whole I loved the showground, the horses were magnificent, the sun shone practically all day and everyone was friendly and willing to share their knowledge and have a laugh at some of my more stupid questions! I have no idea why the noise and fuss is made as it adds nothing to the atmosphere and from what I have heard and read most people hate it. From what I could see there is a 'hardcore' bunch of people who think that is the way they want it so stuff everyone else.
Anyway, congratulations to all those who had the joy of taking their horses to the show, whether they were successful on the day or not. I hope you all realize what a privilege it is to have one on these amazing creatures in your life. They truly are a gift from the heavens. |
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angel2002
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Posted - 03 Aug 2010 : 1:11:24 PM
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Yawn, yawn, yawn.......This is all rather boring....... We hear the same old thing every year after Malvern, then a few weeks later the same old thing again after Towerlands!!
If you don't like the cheering, whooping & clapping that goes with the inhand ... Either don't go to Malvern or go watch the ridden, dressage, part bred/anglos, showjumping or western....Nobody forces you to go and watch the in-hand!!
As for Towerlands, you all know what the atmosphere is going to be like there so if you don't like it DON'T GO!! For those that do go don't come on here after the event moaning about the bag waving and the noise!! |
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Zenitha
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Posted - 03 Aug 2010 : 1:50:54 PM
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Have to say, I don't mind the cheering and clapping, although when someone is 'whooping' loudly in your ear it can gat a bit annoying !
Unfortunately, our bad experience came in the collecting ring. Our normally pretty laid back yearling colt was waiting to come in the main ring - next thing I knew I saw him rear almost perpendicular, and come storming into the ring .....ALONE 
Apparently, as he was about to come in relatives of the handler of the horse following him were shaking tree branches and bashing their whips in the trees to psyche their horse up, absolutely terrifying mine  This caused him to rear, catching his young handler on the shoulder as he came down, which was how he got free. Thankfully he was caught before anything could happen - but as a consequence we then had to come in last, and our handler, who was quite badly hurt, was unable to show or trot Ali properly  - she was also unable to show him in the Futurity, so I had to find another handler last minute, so once again Ali wasn't shown to his best
All our hard work, spoilt in a moment by someone else not having the manners to consider that some of us do NOT like our horses to be terrified before coming into the ring 
Luckily, the handler has recovered, though somewhat shaken and confidence dented. Ali was unharmed, though this is definately NOT how I wanted to end his first showing season 
If that is how some people like to psyche their horses up for the ring that is up to them, but it should NOT be allowed to affect the other horses. What the hell were the dc's doing ??? |
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Milotkha
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Posted - 03 Aug 2010 : 1:54:07 PM
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If you read all the comments.... the clapping and cheering is very much loved.
Its the pointless antics that go on that get on many peoples nerves.. just no need.
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Pop
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Posted - 03 Aug 2010 : 2:17:38 PM
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Hello Angel 2002, you Minx eh  . Now, I was just wondering, call it thinking out load - would it not be classed as cheating to use 'tools' outside the ring to cause the animal to be shown in an exaggerated state and one that is not its natural way of going.
Do Dog shows allow interferance to the dog behaviour from outside the ring?
I think it would be interesting to do an in hand class twice, first with normal applause and repeated with all the chaos, see if the placings changed.
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kimzi
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Posted - 03 Aug 2010 : 2:44:34 PM
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| Mandy darling you carry on yawning lol. I love malvern, unfortunateley it was a bit quiet on saturday, apart from when the silly woman cranked up during the orphaned/weaned foals class that i cannot understand why? its a baby it was showing off niceley till you started, you spoiled an enjoyable performance. I don't mind owners who want to cheer on there horses, some people take it a bit far though and would hate for it to get to the point of 2007 ukiahs where i cringed so hard i had to go home. Overall a nice visit though so well done to the organisers. |
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Loopy Lou and Saahm
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Posted - 03 Aug 2010 : 3:24:58 PM
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I have to add, I went to Towerlands (HoCon) for the first time ever this year. I was not expecting so much outside influence from the spectators and I agree the cantering off after the bangs and crashes did spoil it for me  I then closey studied the rules and regs in the back of catalogue where it clearly stated that outside influences (banging, whooping etc) would not be accepted! BUT IT WAS! My question is WHY? My favourite class of the day was the very sedate Crabbet Class!!! I have not been to Malvern for probably about 12 years and I do not remember it happening then and I was in the ring! Right I am going to run and hide now before I get shouted at  |
    
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Pop
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Posted - 03 Aug 2010 : 3:49:34 PM
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| Loopy, is there room behind that wall for me as well |
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Milotkha
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Posted - 03 Aug 2010 : 4:03:44 PM
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Hehe I am bringing my own bricks to extend on to yours....
I love the atmosphere of the in-hand ring... just disappoints me when its evident that the horses movements are being spoilt by the loud bangs and shakes of a plaggy bag.!
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Loopy Lou and Saahm
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Posted - 03 Aug 2010 : 4:25:30 PM
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 Everyone welcome behind my wall! I'm glad its not just me! |
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nissibay
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England
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Posted - 03 Aug 2010 : 4:47:21 PM
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angel 2002, no one said they didnt like the clapping and cheering, we did enjoy that!!!!! think your being harsh in your matter of fact comments, i can see why the people that rattle an bang do it,they are trying to get "the look" but dont be nieve to not understand where all of us are coming from, its all lovely at malvern but we are just pointing out that some people like in every walk of life take things a bit far and that is what we are commenting on in an open forum. where's my wall gone ? |
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Pop
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nissibay
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Hollyhill
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Posted - 03 Aug 2010 : 4:55:23 PM
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 Making a very rare appearance from behind my wall rules is rules as they say and the 'interference' is against the rules (or I thought it was anyway) so in any language, it shouldn't be allowed to happen
Now where's my wall gone........ |
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angel2002
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Posted - 03 Aug 2010 : 4:58:53 PM
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Hiya Pop  Long time no 'speak', hiya Kimzi also long time no 'speak' LOL!!
I would say that everyone SHOULD be able to use the same 'tricks' to 'enhance' the movement of their horses in the ring if they wish to do so but I do have experience of an 'unknown' person getting told off for rattling and being told their horse would be removed from the class if they continued....and in the same class a well known handlers' family rattled and got ignored by the same DC so I do wonder where is the fairness in that? By the way this didn't happen at Malvern, it was a few years ago at a different show  I suppose you could say that sometimes certain people can/do get an advantage.
What I do have a big problem with is the shanking and use of the whip to hit the horses while they are posing but I have none with a noisy crowd, bottle rattling or bag waving. If you watch closley some handlers do tell the crowd to be quiet.
There are also examples of horses that play to the crowd...The louder the noise the bigger the movement gets.... 1st to mind is of course Vody Another example from this years Malvern was the stallion Psadishio (sp?) even with all the screaming and bag waving that horse didn't break his trot, he looked like he loved every minute and was amazing! I could name many more but am out of here now (At work  )
I just find it amazing that people moan about the noise when they know what it is going to be like... As I said if you don't like it don't go or watch the ridden instead 
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sazzlepants71
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Posted - 03 Aug 2010 : 5:04:52 PM
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ummmm just wanted to say i REALLY ENJOYED MALVERN!
It was my first visit in 7 years and personally I thought (although admittedly not as busy) it was amazing - I didnt see any strange behaviour at all..
yes, course there were people clapping/applauding happy for their horses but I didnt see anything 'wrong'
I know there has been some incidents in the past but from what I can see people and horses really rose to the occasion
it was a fantastic show and really friendly atmostphere !
it would be lovely to read positive posts about our breed - we get sooo much stick as it is from the outside word lol
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nissibay
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kath
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moatside
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Posted - 03 Aug 2010 : 7:00:38 PM
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| Appreciative applause is fine but the "rent a crowd" antics are something else. An Arab should show itself without the need for outside interference - winding the horses up to the point of them being dangerous is unacceptable and foolhardy. |
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jaj
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Posted - 03 Aug 2010 : 7:28:09 PM
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There were a couple of handlers who motioned with their hands for the crowd to keep quiet and to be fair that was what then happened.
I chuckled when Mark Hardcastle walked by and was asked by some other handlers in the stands if he 'needed some noise' with one of his particular charges. He politely declined as it was the stiff veteran mare so obviously not appropriate in that case but there is a obviously a good amount of co-operation and bonhomie between handlers and owners.
I do loathe it when they holler on and the horse breaks out of a trot and does the sideways canter thing - totally pointless or maybe that is the point if it is a rival making the noise? That'll set the cat amongst the pigeons whilst I make the children's tea !
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Tzarina
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Posted - 03 Aug 2010 : 7:51:18 PM
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| I have to say that all the excessive shanking that is apparent from some handlers is more upsetting than the bag waving and noise. A lot of these horses compete in Europe where it is the norm and at Towerlands where it is far worse than Malvern. I'm surprised no-one has picked up on the horse that was so obviously terrified of its handler that it was backing off and its eyes were on stalks, that again is more teeth jarring. England seems to take on the fashions from the States and Europe and the days of very quiet Malvern's are gone, unless it is stated as in the Crabbet classes how the horses must be shown. I noticed that one of the judges asked for the horses not to be greased up. These complaints are repeated every year and people read them, so I feel that not having been to the UKIAHS or the BNC's for many years and being confronted with this wall of noise when they do go, should not be such a shock |
    
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Karon
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Posted - 03 Aug 2010 : 8:26:01 PM
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Well, Angel 2002, I won't be going again - I went to Malvern every year for the first 8 - 10 years and loved it, but this whooping, whistling, bag shaking etc ruined it and I'm glad it wasn't just me who felt like that. Fine, behave like this at Towerlands but remember that National show is the showpiece for the Arab, and I know there were people watching the in hand classes who were veyr new to Arabs and wondering what on earth all the noise was for.
And, incidentally, I didn't know what it was going to be like. Last time I went it was nothing like this year and if I'd known it was going to be like this I wouldn't have bothered this year. I also don't appreciate some woman screaming as loud as he can, right in my ear - simple manners seem to have gone out of the window too.
Clapping, no problem. Cheering after a horse has done his/her show - no problem. Scaring other people's horses as well as your own is a dreadful way to behave. My horses will show off at home if I wave a plastic bag at them (and run around the field a lot, making them wonder if I've completely lost the plot) but if I took them to a show I know some of them wouldn't need encouragement to look impressive, they'd show themselves off of their own accord.
I did wonder if some people were making such a noise to put the competitors off, too. I'd hope not but.....
Think I'll stick to going to watch rugby matches in future. I'll join you all here |
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jaj
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Posted - 03 Aug 2010 : 8:26:19 PM
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I recognise the horse you are referring to Tina and it was horrible to see but it could well be that as the horse came from the States that the current owners probably weren't responsible for it's training.
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vjc
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Posted - 03 Aug 2010 : 8:30:27 PM
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| Well i was at the main ring on friday and although i breed partbreds i also admire the beauty and movement of the purebreds. Yes every year these comments pop up and yet every year it all carries on unchanged! While a little encouragment does no harm sadly i saw folk running up and down the ringside hollaring and waving whips in the air, kicking the ringside bin and even picking up the bin to shake it in the air!!! My dog dissapeared under the seat at this point! I just ask one question? what happens when these horses go under saddle (assuming that some do?) when they have to be ridden alongside the spectator stand??? I know the horses look fab when they are huffing and puffing, i believe you call it snort and blow in the arab world, well look at the eyes!!! i am sorry but they tell a story! head poked right in the air and eyes rolling to the back of the head speaks of one thing to me, avoidence of a scary situation! and i too was so dissapointed when some of the arabs were floating out so stunningly only to scat sidewards at the noise and hollaring shouted at them! Each to their own but i watched for as long as i could before it all became cringingly embarrassing!!! Arab horses are the most magnificent creatures surely we should bow to their beauty not antaganise it! |
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