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Tzarina
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 Posted - 09 Aug 2010 : 11:05:01 AM
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| Well said, Judith |
    
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Zenitha
Gold Member
England
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Posted - 09 Aug 2010 : 1:51:27 PM
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Unfortunately, it as not quite as simple as you put it Jude !
The handler showing my colt was young and is just finding her way in the showing world - she is a promising handler and is keen to make a career showing Arabians, she is experienced showing her parents horses (who have bred Arabs for donkeys years) and is now taking in outside liveries - and I wanted to give this lovely lassie the chance to do just that. I strongly feel that we should be encouraging the 'next generation' of handlers.
Unfortunately whether you choose to go first or last, there is always the problem of other people psyching up their horses. If that is what their horse needs to go into the ring 'popping' then fine - my point is that it is NOT fair to subject horses that have been brought up differently to this type of behaviour. There is a reasonable gap between horses entering the ring, surely it is not asking too much for the branch whipping etc to pause long enough to allow a horse to enter the ring in the manner the handler feels is best for the individual horse. As this happens right at the entrance to the ring, there really is no avoiding it unless people are prepared to respect other horses and handlers !
Perhaps if you had personally known the handler who was hurt, or it had been your horse flying loose round the ring with its lead rein flapping round his legs, you may have felt differently ?
With regard to the Saturday night, I can assure you that it DID all go on, obviously as you weren't there you wouldn't know.
Why is it that people are expected to just put up and shut up about things they don't like ? I have never complained before, but this year it affected ME and I wish I had made a complaint, I am an idiot not to and can only blame myself for that - it does say in the rules outside interference is not allowed and possibly one reason for this rule is to try to avoid accidents - and as you say, the DC'S are there to ensure safe showing - so what do they consider to be safe ?
If people want to clap and cheer, great it adds to the atmposphere and the horses seem to enjoy it. If some wish to take things further by banging, whooping, waving and whipping tree branches - fine, BUT JUST DO IT TO YOUR OWN HORSES !!!
Others have just as much right to be there, and to show their horses in the manner they choose, without having others 'methods' inflicted upon them. THAT is why people moan year after year - whilst nobody's horse is affected by people being quiet or clapping, EVERYBODY'S horses are affected by the banging, tree shaking etc. All that is needed is a bit of respect for others.
Why is this considered so unreasonable ?
Edited to say - apart from these 2 incidents, I thoroughly enjoyed the show, it ran very smoothly and the standard of the youngstock classes was amazing, some REALLY impressive animals there ! |
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BabsR
Platinum Member
England
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Posted - 09 Aug 2010 : 2:42:36 PM
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Have to agree with that....Whatever happened to good manners and respect for fellow exhibitors?
The Show rules state that Ringside interference is NOT ALLOWED
and yet year on year, we see this rule flouted. Exhibitors wishing to show their horses in a quiet traditional manner, have every right to show their horses at the National Show. Why should the Whooping, Hollering, Tree shaking, stomping exhibitors suggest "if they don't like this hullabaloo, don`t come to the Show"
Every Member has the right to exhibit whichever method they choose to
display their horse...so please good manners and respect for each other....and adhere to the RULES OF THE SHOW, which some choose to totally ignore!!
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lottieherts
Silver Member
England
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Posted - 09 Aug 2010 : 3:11:52 PM
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| CONGRTAULATIONS! I loved it! Roll on 2011! :) |
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lottieherts
Silver Member
England
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Posted - 09 Aug 2010 : 3:13:48 PM
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| Note to self....Spell check and check for 4th page of comments lol - was responding to Jude's post - Congratulations to organisers - as I said before - roll on 2011 |
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clio
Gold Member
Wales
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Posted - 09 Aug 2010 : 3:19:47 PM
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Can i ask where is the AHS in all this ??
It is there rules that are being broken so shouldnt they come down on them hard and fast to prevent the rule breakers doing it again ?
Or is there a rule for one and no rule for the other in the AHS these days ??
I agree i enjoy the showing and agree a certain amount of clapping and cheering is acceptable but how silly do you look with a tesco bag on the end of a stick !!
AHS are you going to stick to your rules and be seen to police them ?? |
   
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jas
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Posted - 09 Aug 2010 : 3:35:18 PM
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You may well ask where the society are - they certainly would not reply on a forum!
What happened on Saturday night/early Sunday morning was an absolute disgrace, and potentially very dangerous. Where was security? From what I understand, they were not booked for the Saturday night - why!
The society must take responsibility for their exhibitors behavior, and their safety until they leave the showground. Would you like your teenage daughter having to sleep with her horse because she was so frightened.
Hats off to the very kind gentleman, and his friends who volunteered to patrol the stables for the rest of the night. What a state of affairs we seem to now have. It has got to be stopped, and if council is too weak to do anything about this, they should resign. |
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Jingo
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 09 Aug 2010 : 3:45:31 PM
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Jas with regards to whatever happened on Saturday night Sunday morning - as you say I was not there, so can't comment BUT if I was you I would write or e.mail to the show director and ask for answers which I am sure they will give you - I asked and they did give them to me.
I find it much better to ask those in charge direct than blast it all over the airwaves - don't you agree |
Jude
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jas
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Posted - 09 Aug 2010 : 4:21:15 PM
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Jingo
I would like to assure you that what you have suggested has been done. I have no intention in blasting anything over the airways - I am stating facts. |
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amyribbon
New Member
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Posted - 09 Aug 2010 : 5:51:55 PM
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Wow......Is it typical to complain about shows so much? This was my first time and my first show and I LOVED it.... But this has upset me reading all this. Maybe I don't want to own one just yet then 
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clio
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amyribbon
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Posted - 09 Aug 2010 : 8:17:11 PM
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I don't mean that at all Clio  I just thought that the Arab people were nice and friendly and I am surprised at all this talk on here and so on. As I say, I am new to this and have fallen for the Arab. I don't care at what people say about me. I am just amazed at all this - chat............
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Zenitha
Gold Member
England
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Posted - 09 Aug 2010 : 8:30:30 PM
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O Amy, don't let this put you off the Arab ! I'm sure there are 'rumblings' behind the scenes in all areas of the equine world - childrens pony shows - now they REALLY scare me LOL
Seriously, the Arab is the most wonderful, loyal, courageous and spirited of horses - don't deprive yourself of sharing your life with one  |
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clio
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NatH
Platinum Member
England
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Posted - 10 Aug 2010 : 09:19:37 AM
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I love the Nationals too . I look forward to it every year and I'm already looking forward to 2011
I think its well organised and the venue is superb. Hats off to the Show organisers for a great job this year.
I'm certainly not a 'party pooper' and love the atmosphere of the Show. Its like one big holiday for allot of us.
My only gripe, which I will never alter my view on is not the cheering and clapping for horses we love and admire, just simply the screaming, rattling of stones in bottles, stamping of feet in the Grandstand & tree shaking. I consider that as 'outside interferance', which is against our AHS rules [at present].
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vjc
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 10 Aug 2010 : 09:34:27 AM
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| well said Nat, i totally agree, lets all still show our appreciation for such lovely animals but also show them and other competitors respect.I love the national show and support it whether i am showing there or not. |
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lisa rachel
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s.jade
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 10 Aug 2010 : 1:20:24 PM
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Loved the show The nosie wasn't so bad, lots of appreciation for good moving horses, and we were sat in the stand much of the time - never felt it move!
We went home Saturday so missed the night, sounds awful
The above comment annoys me, why can't a horse be a good riding horse and show inhand? I know of at least one mare at Malvern who did....and mine will next year.
What a shame it seems to be one or the other |
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NatH
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England
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Posted - 10 Aug 2010 : 3:41:25 PM
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I agree if those comments were made re: ridden horses its a great shame.
Why shouldn't a horse have an in-hand & ridden career - I know some that do |
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Jingo
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 10 Aug 2010 : 4:24:55 PM
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Lol just look at our wonderhorse Basra  At North Staffs Summer Show - she did novice ridden and got a 2nd and then on to the in hand where she got a 3rd
So tell me she wasn't bred for dual purpose |
Jude
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SueN
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England
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Posted - 10 Aug 2010 : 5:44:56 PM
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| What has that got to do with the price of tea? |
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Jingo
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Posted - 10 Aug 2010 : 6:42:19 PM
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What has that got to do with the price of tea?
I presume you are referring to my posting Sue N? If so how rude.
I was actually replying to comments made by suyents, NatH, SJade and Lisa Rachel, but I don't have to justify anything I write on AL regarding Arabians in ridden or in hand.
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Jude
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s.jade
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 10 Aug 2010 : 6:48:33 PM
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Jingo - my Faberge is aspiring to be a Basra next year (though she is ridiculously hot in the ring so I will be sitting sooooo lightly  )! Point being they CAN do both  as proven by your girl, and others this year! |
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K8E
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 10 Aug 2010 : 8:53:23 PM
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Unfortunately there are a few contradictions between AHS Rules and ECAHO Rules so as at all shows run under both AHS & ECAHO Rules the ECAHO Ruling overides the AHS Rules therefore in my opinion the AHS Rules might as well not be there.
For example under AHS Rules you cannot show a clipped foal but under ECAHO Rules you can!!
under ahs rules no attachments on end of whips, ECAHO you can.
Maybe you should write your views to ECAHO as well as the AHS. Relly don't want to upset anyone but it seems we are all wasting our time and breath and discussin it on this forum really doesnt help!!!
I personally dont mind the noise and my colt went better the more noise he got, again its a matter of opinion though.
sorry if i have upset anyone 
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Zenitha
Gold Member
England
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Posted - 10 Aug 2010 : 9:16:15 PM
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Very interesting points there Katie - as both sets of rules are printed in the catalogue it is rather confusing, even down to the different amounts you have to 'lay down' if you need to make a complaint !
As you say, I think we need clarification from the AHS. Also, we need reassurance that the rules WILL BE ADHERED TO IN EVERY CASE - which clearly they are not at the moment, which is why some people get so peed off with it all - I think the reason people come on here with their views is to see if others feel the same, and perhaps because it seems unlikely that anything will change, no matter who is written to |
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