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alethea
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 Posted - 12 Jun 2010 : 10:30:02 AM
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I find that most arabians lose the hair naturally around the eye. Not the tactile hair. Then all that is needed is a little show gloss to enhance their natural features for the show ring.
I am anti panda eyes of the shaved variety they look ridiculous and are unnecessary
Alethea
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SueB
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Posted - 12 Jun 2010 : 11:07:05 AM
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Great example photos! Look at the ridiculous shaved eye one and then the other, The shaved eye pic has given the effect of the eye being placed higher up on the head, which is what you don't want in an Arab! so they have achieved a negative effect as far as I'm concerned.
His eye placing is good in the normal pic. All so unnecessary. |
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lisa rachel
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Posted - 12 Jun 2010 : 11:58:10 AM
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I agree Lynda and Babs, an embarassing and unattractive fashion.
I also agree that tactile and inner ear hairs are both there for a reason and should be left alone, it is not however ''either or''.... how about just showing Arabs and their partbreds clean,fit and mannerly but otherwise as nature intended? That way the best horse, not the 'best produced' horse may win, which surely is the point especially importantly where breeding stock are concerned. |
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MinHe
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arabiantouch
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xsara
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Posted - 12 Jun 2010 : 2:44:18 PM
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| I agree the panda eyes does look silly I think a little water or a little baby oil if not too warm is enough to enhance the darkness around the face. When i am geting xsara ready for a show i would trim the real long whiskers so it looks tidy and any fluff sticking out of the ear which usually there isn't any and under the jaw line i would tidy but i have never shaved her whiskers of completely or inside her ears. just enough to sharpen her face features |
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weirton
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Posted - 12 Jun 2010 : 2:46:08 PM
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I have just caught up with this thread and firstly would say please don't compare the awful practices in the pure-bred world with the ones in the part-breds. I guarantee you there is no comparision. Don't get me started on what I have seen.
I do agree that yearlings should not be shown bitted (we have refused to do this when asked to by owners in the past)and would point out that we never trim or shave inside the ears or round the eyes. The muzzle hair seems to be virtually non existant on our horses (don't know why) and heels never need trimming either as they don't have any feather.
There are ways to keep the mane in a tidy and reasonably thin state suitable for plaiting but it takes time and regular attention which a lot of people are not prepared to devote. As for yanking the mane out by the roots and plaits into place, I'm not surprised you think it's cruel if that's how you do it. If plaits are in too tight the neck would be restricted which would be counter productive. I think you'd be surprised how many PB people do in fact leave their horses as natural as possible and it's mainly the show ponies who go to extreme lengths.
It has never held my horses back and certainly they don't suffer for their art.
Jean
PS Pashon, there is a governing body for Part-breds, it's called THE ARAB HORSE SOCIETY, although I agree it's usually hard to realise this. |
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Pashon2001
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Posted - 12 Jun 2010 : 6:52:05 PM
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| It wasnt me that said there was no governing body!! Only repeated it, as apparantley they are not ever 'mistreated' for showing. Read mistreated however you will, I am not talking about beatings!! And if manes are pulled, they are pulled, which means out at the roots, period. I have rarely seen a partbred or non arab for that matter showing/ridden/competing with full tactile hair. I do not pull manes, and never have, its never been necessary, but you must admit that people in all categories of horsemanship do. |
     
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debs
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Posted - 12 Jun 2010 : 7:44:30 PM
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Oh my god...that poor horse! How could someone do that on purpose???
Hear hear Lisa....agree on all counts!
Hate the thought of my hair being pulled out by the roots.
And actually I dont think the arabian needs ANY make up at all. Well turned out is all....
Call me old fashioned!!!! |
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weirton
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Posted - 12 Jun 2010 : 8:49:48 PM
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Pashon, I apologise for misunderstanding your quote re the governing body for part breds. Sorry about that.
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Delyth
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Posted - 12 Jun 2010 : 10:21:52 PM
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| Panda eyes to enhance the beauty of the Arabian Horse......just take a look at Talitha's pictures swimming with her beautiful mare. Keep your panda eyes, I think these people seriously have a misunderstanding regarding beauty !! |
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Pashon2001
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xsara
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Posted - 13 Jun 2010 : 4:18:38 PM
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| Like i add with pulling manes i tend to pull mine using a blade so it is cut rather than pulled out by the roots and any that does come out is usually dead under neath and pulls out with little force almost falls out. If a mane is tidy it takes very little to keep it neat generally with xsaras mane i just have to keep the ends tidy and level and rarely have to pull it |
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george
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Posted - 13 Jun 2010 : 4:49:45 PM
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I love a bit of clear gloss or baby oil around the eye!! as long as it is done carefully and last thing before a class if the weather is hot and then removed, but I guess (or hope) that's not what you all mean by the panda eyes??? I would never dream of shaving the eye area and certainly wouldn't deprive any horse of their feelers!! Nabil also has visible black skin around his eyes and muzzle and it seems to be getting more noticeable lately. |
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weirton
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Posted - 13 Jun 2010 : 5:57:27 PM
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My point exactly, xsara, maybe I could have explained better!
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LYNDILOU
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Posted - 13 Jun 2010 : 7:03:02 PM
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the Definition of true Arabian type , is for black skin beneath hair, ( arabians tend to lose the hair naturally around the eye and muzzle in hot weather), the body should be deep at the chest and short in the back with a strong well shaped croup, the neck should be clean at the throat and well shaped set into the shoulder at a pleasing angle , the head should be shortish with well defined ears, a large expressive eye . the tail should be carried out and slightly raised whilst in motion, the movement should be light and appear to float over the ground, the limbs should be clean straight and hard of bone.
Now when a horse falls short of one or two of these criteria , some people are tempted to try and correct their horses faults by un natural means ( we have all heard about tight neck sweats) and ginger !, shaving the eyes is just another way to make a small eyed horse appear to have bigger eyes, why else would it be done? all things that enhance the horses natural beauty should be fine , but not to decieve the onlooker! Now I am off to hide  |
   
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debs
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Posted - 13 Jun 2010 : 8:41:29 PM
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Oh god dont get me going!!!! Gingering and Neck sweats.... hadn't even heard of them until last year when I was looking for my new boy.
What these poor bloody horses go through for the owners vanity is beyond me. What makes me so angry is that every body thinks the average Joe likes their horses to look like this....bad enough the bad press because of the perceived behaviour of the arab.
Sad world we live in...although it could be worse, PLASTIC SURGERY... |
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pintoarabian
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debs
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Posted - 13 Jun 2010 : 9:22:45 PM
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I have to say that I dont even like highlighter/vasaline.
The arabian, in my opinion, just doesnt need it! |
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MinHe
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debs
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george
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Posted - 14 Jun 2010 : 11:30:46 AM
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| What is Gingering???? I've never heard of it, still I love a little highlighter around the eyes and I think this is just the same as chalking the legs |
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Pashon2001
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Posted - 14 Jun 2010 : 12:22:40 PM
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One of my horses was gingered in the US. Consequently has taken 7 years to be able to approach her rear end.
George - its when they insert ginger into the rectum of the horse, it acts as an irritant (what a surprise) and makes it hold its tail high and in some cases prance more. A good sign of a gingered horse (but not always) is one that holds its tail very high even at rest (ie the line up) and appears to be relaxed in itself, obviously not snorting and blowing as you would expect high tail carriage then. Sometimes judges will be seen to push the 'suspect' horses tail down to see if it will lower it and keep it there. |
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LYNDILOU
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Posted - 14 Jun 2010 : 12:23:04 PM
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George, there is actually a paste or cream manufactured specifically for the purpose that is an irritant for putting up horses bottoms so that they will hold their tails up ! again if the horse does not hold its tail up and out naturally then it wont breed on will it? |
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BabsR
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Posted - 14 Jun 2010 : 1:16:05 PM
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Well, I would like to shove said paste up the backsides of those heartless whoever... who would do such a thing to our beautiful Arabian horses...and for what??? a bit of ribbon to boost their already inflated egos
A dose of their own medicine, is what they need!!! and see if it makes their tail stand up!!
Babs
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Anti Panda Eyes.....
also known as makeup, grease, oil etc
