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Pashon2001
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 Posted - 10 Feb 2010 : 7:37:52 PM
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Hakka needs nothing but a blue t shirt, or my 35 yr old gelding but he's a perve lol  . The Alchemist would usually do it for pee on the dummy but sometimes needed a mare if he wasnt on form. Neither boy HAD to have an in season mare, just one that would stand quietly and be looked at. I have a homemade dummy so collection is done from the side although I have been trying to devise ways of fixing it in the dummy. My teaser board is directly in front of the dummy too.
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Delyth
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Posted - 10 Feb 2010 : 8:19:04 PM
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I too have a telegraph pole dummy !!! How high is yours at the butt end ??
I've asked my vet about having the AV in the dummy but after a few horror stories of ruptured manhoods I decided against it :)
No pics as yet - this spring I promise......perhaps Emma will be passing :)
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Delyth
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Posted - 10 Feb 2010 : 8:31:45 PM
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This is a pic of the one I copied in the States. He obviously has a longer overhang at the rear and has constructed the body part to sit the AV in. I've cut mine down abit and the rise uphill isn't quite as much and it's padded with my old Derwent sofa (only the best !!) cushions and PVC for those Ann Summer moments !!
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Pashon2001
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Posted - 10 Feb 2010 : 8:33:33 PM
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Mine is about 14.2/3ish butt end, 15.2 head end. I suppose they could get stuck, but was looking into fixing mine up with a break away, just in case. Probably never happen, been trying to design it for years lol. I wanted mine fairly tall as I have seen big horses almost go straight over small dummies and they incline to fall off the side too. If they are almost vertical it seems to suit.
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Pashon2001
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MinHe
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kimzi
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Posted - 11 Feb 2010 : 12:50:16 AM
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| Never fix the av into the dummy unless you want to end up strapping your boys manhood into a half coke bottle tied round him with some old tights whilst you pray that when the vet arrives it won't need to be cut off, penile haematomas are horrific. |
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Jamana
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Posted - 11 Feb 2010 : 07:32:03 AM
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| Mr.J,Sorry to ask what may seem a stupid question,but with so many of you doing AI covering, is this because there is such demand for the stallions semen? Or is it just because you all think its better,and easier without the fuss of what is involved with proper covering. |
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Delyth
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Posted - 11 Feb 2010 : 07:44:04 AM
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Thank you Kimzi, I'd heard a few horror stories so there was no question I'll hold it !!
Keren you've not met my vet ;) Irish, blonde and very handsome !!
The AI now is because people want Bedawi semen and to be honest I don't want the work of visiting mares. I never bothered with Ffatal which is probably why he's got to this age and is wondering what the hell I'm doing !! I'd say that overall people are collecting because they see it as easier ie no one going to be bowled over by the mare, less risk of the stallion being injured, 1 collection can inseminate 3-4 mares so generally less work.
I'd be interested to know whether this does cause stallion to become anxious/frustrated.....not getting the real thing ?? |
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Jamana
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Posted - 11 Feb 2010 : 07:58:04 AM
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| I did wonder if they get frustrated,in a way its sad that they dont do the natural coverings.Although it has been said TBs don't lead a natural life, well at least that part isn't artificial. They get the interaction and response of a real mare.I find it sad to see pics of stallions covering dummy mares, it seems wrong somehow that they get their sexual stimulation from an inamiate object, with maybe a mare to just look at.How much more efective is AI for personal use I wonder?or is it just easier for the owner who maybe can't cope with real covering? less chance of being injured if the horse charges into the dummy and jumps on any old how.To my mind if you own the mares and own the stallion, they are at the same yard, it seems nuts to collect the semen walk across and inseminate the mare yourself.Why not just let him do, it's worked for centuries! |
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Gerri
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Posted - 11 Feb 2010 : 09:14:50 AM
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| I have to say this is an amazing post!!! I have never ever seen or been a part of semen collection, so I am totally out of my depth here but find it really interesting, do you have a vet on standby there while the semen is collected? to impregnate the mares straight away or do you do it yourselves? the reason I am asking is I had planned to bring someone in this spring to collect semen from my boy and was booking my vet to do the impregnation as my boy is 18 years old and a bit stiff behind and thought that AI might be the best route to go. |
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Delyth
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Posted - 11 Feb 2010 : 09:44:26 AM
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I've been on the AI technician course so do most of mine myself. When shipping in from other stallions some owners insist a vet does it. If the vet is there they help to collect and inseminate whatever really - you'll find it fascinating.
I went on the BEVA course and even if you don't want to go on to inseminate it is so interesting I'd recommend to everyone. They have some of the very best vets to talk to you. We had Juan Samper, Jonathon Pycock, Chris Shepherd, Martin Boyle and if they don't know its time to give up !! I think West Kington are doing a breeding seminar at the begining of March. That place is well worth a visit if you are thinking of freezing your stallion (semen !!) or going down the AI route, the set up is so professional.
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Gerri
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Posted - 11 Feb 2010 : 12:19:05 PM
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Thank you for the advice, it is really interesting. I live in France most of the time and its hard enough ordering a delivery of anything let alone discussing AI with the vets here, so I will certainly look into attending a course in the UK, that way at least I will have some idea what to do and what the vet is expected to do also this is such an interesting topic, it goes to show you are never too old to learn (meaning me of course) something new |
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leighann
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Posted - 11 Feb 2010 : 2:23:15 PM
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Ha ha.......very similar to our DIY Dummy
I too am enjoying this topic as its nice to hear other's experiences on the subject.
Like Delyth i completed the AI Technician's course and found it fascinating at the same time very intense but when you get home and set to work on your own that's when you really start to learn.
We collect fresh semen in the morning from our stallion and by lunchtime can have the mare in the stocks inseminating them it really is a satisfying feeling knowing you can collect and inseminate to create a new life.
We have a look at the semen under our microscope its amazing to watch them zapping around 
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Raw semen just collected
Then extended & Ready to use
Under the microscope
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Delyth
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Posted - 11 Feb 2010 : 3:04:43 PM
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| Do you use extender in semen that you are using on your own mares ie at home ?? |
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Centaur
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Posted - 11 Feb 2010 : 4:11:30 PM
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Excellent thread. Did you dummy train your stallions yourselves?
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leighann
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Pashon2001
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Posted - 11 Feb 2010 : 5:30:29 PM
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I've used raw semen at home, extended or centrifuged to get rid of the seminal fluid, then reextended. The reason for getting rid of the seminal fluid is in some cases the sperm are actually killed by it and so it can increase the stallions fertility. I also have a mini lab to do all this. Especially if I have several mares coming in heat within a day or so as extending it means less strain on the stallion.
In answer to an above question I have never seen a stallion become frustrated by using a dummy only, I really think they are only interested in one thing and don't care if it is inanimate!! I've trained all mine myself, with some initial experienced assistance.
It IS easier for me to collect rather than naturally cover, and I can perfectly well cope with a natural covering, but why when I don't need to? And my boys are NOT allowed to charge at the dummy any old how! Heaven forbid! They are taught manners lol! |
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Delyth
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Posted - 11 Feb 2010 : 6:14:48 PM
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| I must admit my own girls just get the semen, no extenders just as nature intended !! I haven't got anything fancy to remove the gel I just get a syringe and it sucks off like a giant snot !! We do tend to scan quite alot and I try and get away with just one insemination/cover per cycle - we've been pretty lucky. I also had a mare a few years ago that was allergic to loads of the extenders, she caused big headaches. Incidently, I collected from GR Amaretto once and just drew off the gel and put it in the fridge. I took some out daily just to look at and to learn and it was still good after 5 days - he was a fertile boy :) |
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Pashon2001
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Posted - 11 Feb 2010 : 6:52:32 PM
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| You are lucky to have such a fertile boy Delyth! I also try to get away with one insemination per cycle, although one mare has to have two inseminations or she just doesnt take, vets and I don't know why! |
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pintoarabian
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Posted - 11 Feb 2010 : 8:20:55 PM
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| We use filters on the collection bottle (as seen in Leighann's photo) to prevent the gel getting as far as the little swimmers inside. I have also done the AI course and can thoroughly recommend it. Passing it also permits you to inseminate mares using AI legally. Our dummy mare is also home made and our boys seem to enjoy 'her' just as much as the real thing. Our boys all took to her without any problems and you don't have to worry about her lashing out with her hind feet. Two foals from our very first collection are due next month. |
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Delyth
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Posted - 11 Feb 2010 : 8:33:34 PM
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| Does your collection bottle have Winnie the Pooh on it too......Leighann !! |
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leighann
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trinity
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Posted - 11 Feb 2010 : 9:05:52 PM
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Obviously I have a weird outlook on life. I work with our stallions all the time - ride, handle on the ground but one thing I hate doing is covering with them. Give me the mare to hold anytime. Much prefer that. So long as I trust person handling the stallion I'm fine with the mare. Sorry, digressed slightly there.
We have a lovely mare who behaves impeccably for the boys. She taught Akhira and she will teach our warmblood and Highland boys. We also, always use covering boots on the mare and wait until the stallion is definitely ready before allowing him to mount. Akhira likes the foreplay, which not all mares do, so we have learnt to tease him as much as the mare so that he just hops gently on board. |
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MinHe
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Posted - 11 Feb 2010 : 9:08:35 PM
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This really IS an educational thread - in all sorts of ways! I am finding it most informative and useful. Is it possible to have contact details for the course?
Delyth, you are a little tempter, but I already have one handsome Irishman, so I'm not allowed any more!!!
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Starting young colts
I use Inra 96
godness knows what they think i do with it