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mogwai
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 Posted - 25 Jan 2010 : 6:24:10 PM
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I totally agree garnet. I'm really not sure all this washing/brushing/faffing does anyone any good. I hope you're better soon!
Thanks Guys
Why was dermabion discontinued? I hjave heard nothing but rave reports about it. Why did they take it off the market? What was it?
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ella
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Posted - 25 Jan 2010 : 6:26:37 PM
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Dermobian was removed from the market because of the risk to humans from using it via the steroids passing through your hands.
It is the last thing you would be wanting to put on your current infection!!!!!!! |
   
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mogwai
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Posted - 25 Jan 2010 : 6:40:41 PM
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| God, absolutely! My orignial vet wanted to wack her full of steroids as well, thank god i didn't let her do it! Instinct is a wonderful thing! |
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Timbercroft
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saddlebred
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Posted - 25 Jan 2010 : 7:07:22 PM
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So sorry to hear this. I have never heard of that condition before but it sounds like you and Ruby are really going through the mill. I do hope the treatmetn works... and quickly.
Big hugs
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faymouse
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 26 Jan 2010 : 01:18:26 AM
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My boy got mud fever in both hinds this year and was puffy and sore too. previously I have followed vet advice to hibiscrub/dry each day to no avail so this year I just put zinc and castor oil on the whole area before he went out each day, he is stable on straw at night and legs are nice and dry in the morning. I gently rub off the dry mud in the morning so as not to damage the skin then plaster the cream on. I can't belive how well he is now and he goes out in thick mud each day.
A few years ago I had an Arab on loan who cmae to me with mud fever and the owner gave me a special cream she wanted me to use. I did and he STILL had mud fever when he went back 18 months later, though no worse.
If you keep washing the skin with Hibiscrub you damage the natural balance. So less is best I have found ,go for the most gentle treatment you can, leave the scabs, they will come off when they are ready . The more fiddling you do ...the worse it getsso sorry you are both going through such a bad time.x |
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mogwai
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Posted - 28 Jan 2010 : 07:37:25 AM
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Well, things are getting worse and worse 
After become exasperated by my vets lack of direction and effective treatment plan, i sent some pictures to Georgie Hollis a freind of a friend who is a veterinary specialist in wound management and infection. The initial correspondence was positive, and she was going to suggest manuka honey dressings (one of the few thinsg that will work topically for antibiotics resistant pseudomonas), but prior to suggested treatment she forwarded the pictures on to Proff Knottenbolt at Liverpool university (who seems to be an expert of everything, in this case skin). He immediatly said it looked like LV!!! I need to get to Liverpool, but first i need my vet to talk to Proff K, which seems nigh on impossible (now been waiting 48hrs!!!Gerogie had an answer within minutes!!!). In the mean time my horses are getting worse (Ruby had been better, but now seems to be getting worse again. She is so so painful!), and all i can do is read about the stuff i shouldn't be doing on the internet. Creams etc are a no no with LV, except steroid creams, but given we have a massive infection, that's kind of out too!¬ All i am doing is spraying the legs with Pevidine to try and at least slow the steady march of the bacteria up their legs!
I am absolutely at my wits end. I am trying to stay strong for my horses. My mind is constantly filled with all the horrible stuff that could happen (i know, not at all useful!), and now my daughter (i have 2 young children) has a small patch of red on her lip, and i'm wondering if THAT is pseudomonas! The swabs for the other two horses with symptoms should come back tues, but i'm going to call the vets and ask them to get them back earlier. The reason they take so long is that they need to culture the bacteria, and then test which antibiotics it's sensitive to. Well, we know what it's sensitive to, not a lot!
I have added a post to the LV thread if anyone has any experience of it, i'd be so so grateful!
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karen d
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Posted - 28 Jan 2010 : 07:49:39 AM
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Ros, i think you need to get ruby to liverpool Asap and jaz to the Dr. this is just absolutely horrifying and i am so so sorry for all that you are all going through. will phone you later xxxx |
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moatside
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Timbercroft
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Posted - 28 Jan 2010 : 09:14:53 AM
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Ros I'm so sorry to read this, just keep ringing your vet every half an hour if need be. They must go to Liverpool and soon. Please stay strong. If i can help in anyway please just let me know.
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Pop
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Posted - 28 Jan 2010 : 09:17:51 AM
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Hi, sorry if i'm repeating what others have said. I have never had mud fever but H had photosensitisation; and at first I had a terrible vet. She had it for months, but it cleared up in 10 days on the advise of the new vet. He told me to clean with Dove soap because Hibiscrub was too harsh, but this was after I got the infection cleared up. When I did use Hibiscub, I made it quite weak and sprayed it on so I could get to every bit and it was less dangerous, she really didnt like the Hibiscrub. I washed and cleaned her legs and did not pull off scabs, just let them come off as they were ready, then I put a nappy on each leg, securing it with duck tape round the hoof and at the top. The benefit of the nappy was that it would keep the legs clean whilst being breathable and drawing moisture from the leg, and because of the bum space, it wasn't tight against her leg. If I saw the slightest sign of infection, I would spray the inside of the nappy with Hibitscrub. I used a steroid cream on her legs when they were completely dry but only once per day. I think, but I could be wrong, that Flamazine should not be used in a case of suspected liver problems. After months of being desperate, with this routine, it was clear in 5 days and completely clear 10 days. Everytime I treated them, I used a fresh pair of surgical gloves.
I really feel for you. Tesco value nappies do just fine. |
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Sue J
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Posted - 28 Jan 2010 : 10:12:51 AM
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Maybe a long shot but may be worth talking to a Homeopath, I was reading up on some remedies last night in a Homeopathic vet book and noticed there is a remedy 'Pseudomonas' which it describes as being 'the potentised organism used in the treatment of cases of Pseudomonas infection. It can be combined with selected remedies in this event'
I know homeopathy can take a while to work depending on the condition/remedy but it may be worth trying alongside Veterinary treatment. If you need a contact for a homopathic Pharmacy pm me.
I have a mare that suffers similarily every year, starts of in the late summer/autumn and it just goes on and on until the really cold weather which seems to kill of the bacteria. I just about manage it but can't seem to clear it up until late in the winter when it just seems to clear up itself. I have had some success with dermisol but to be quite honest it just seems to have to run it's course and I therefore try to just keep clean and dry with wound powder. If I use hibiscrub I use it very diluted (on Vet's recommendations)
Penny had it really bad one year and it took all the skin off her leg right upto where the white finished under her knee, it was a nightmare, 2 lots of antibiotics and nothing cleared it but it did sort itself out in the end as I have described above so I hope that is some comfort to you. I know how you must be feeling it is horrible. Sue |
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Fee
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Posted - 28 Jan 2010 : 10:50:16 AM
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Ros, I've just caught up with this, how awful for you  Here's me feeling sad because Po's in horsepital getting a hoof dremelled. Poor you, my chestnut mare (four white socks) suffered terrible mud fever and I could give you advice on some great products, but it's obviously not MF and I've don't know anything of the other conditions. I'll be thinking of you and Ruby and will try to get on at least once a day to check how she is, please keep us updated. Sending healing vibes and well done you for your dedication through these very worrying and draining times you've had 
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mogwai
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Posted - 28 Jan 2010 : 11:02:51 AM
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Thank you so much for all your well wishes. It is becoming rather difficult to thing straight about all this.
My vet was unable to make contact with ANYONE or make ANY positive suggestions, or even bother to get ruby's notes from my previous practice, so i have asked for a referral to Liverpool. We are going for 11am tomorrow with both horses.
I have phoned NHS direct about Jasmine, and they seem unconcerned at this stage and think it's just a cold sore. They gave me the local disease control dept so i can call them and get the low down. I will take her to the doctors and see if they want to swab it anyway.
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karen d
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Posted - 28 Jan 2010 : 11:15:02 AM
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just hang in there lovely, not long now before you get some positive answers
dont worry about jaz, infact i should think she will love being swabbed!!!! lol xxxxxxxxx |
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Mrs DJ
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Posted - 28 Jan 2010 : 11:38:53 AM
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Hi
So sorry to hear about this - you must be frantic with worry.
I know zilch about Pseudomonas, so I don't suppose this will be much help, but for skin infections I swear by the Eqyss Microtek products. Have used the shampoo to clear up mud fever (only a slight infection, though) and on some nasty itchy weeping tick bites my mare had a while ago.
It's supposed to be great for rain scald, can be used on broken skin, good for getting rid of bacteria etc etc.
Apparently it's developed from research used by NASA on the decontamination of astronauts.
Google it - it might not hurt to try it for controlling the bacterial infection, if your vets were happy that it wouldn't make things worse.
Really hope things get better soon.
ps It can be used on humans too. |
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Timbercroft
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Posted - 28 Jan 2010 : 1:14:59 PM
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Thank god for that Ros, like Karen has said not long to wait. Safe journey and keep us posted. I would take your little girl along to the docs too, nothing wrong with being on the safe side!
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CINDERS
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Posted - 28 Jan 2010 : 2:11:51 PM
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| Not sure if available for horses but treatment with maggots is effective for skin infections that will not heal. They eat the dead tissue promoting healing from inside rather than outside. |
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nikki
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Posted - 28 Jan 2010 : 2:13:27 PM
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| so sorry ros, hope all your girls are safe and well asap |
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Mrs Vlacq
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Posted - 28 Jan 2010 : 2:56:09 PM
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Oh God Ros - it just gets worse and worse for you! At least getting over to see Prof Knotty he will give you a (very) direct account of things! (He did some very involved treatment on 1 of my mares, and even now, 2 1.2 yrs on, he emails me for updates)
Hope all goes well and you get a lucky break womewhere along the line
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NatH
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Posted - 28 Jan 2010 : 4:32:22 PM
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| Ros please keep us posted, we are all keeping our fingers crossed for you |
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Dark Angel
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Posted - 28 Jan 2010 : 4:40:24 PM
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Hi Mogwai
I think I saw somewhere that you are treating with Gentamycin. As you probably know, pseudomonas are resistant to most antibiotics but in humans, when pseudomonas is a serious problem, Gentamycin is used alongside Carbenicillin. It may be worth mentioning this to your vet as this 'double whammy' approach is often what is needed. Also, until you get to Liverpool, try to keep the infected skin very cool (dry cool, not moist cool) as this slows down the metabolism of the bacteria. When the bacteria experience low temperatures their internal mechanisms slow down and begin to degrade. This may at least help to slow down the infection until the proffessor sees it.
Hope this helps
Caroline
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mogwai
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Posted - 29 Jan 2010 : 06:59:13 AM
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Thank you all so much xxxx
All set and ready to go. Just got to load the girls (Ruby walks straight on, Miss may take a while) and wait for Karen's lovely, amazing husband to arrive who is going to come with me and stop me acting like a gibbering moron (thank you guys, I couldn't have done this without your support
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I will update when we get back
xxx
Laura, Dr Knottenbolt is scary, my vet trained with him and scared the pants off her! |
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moatside
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avanti
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Posted - 29 Jan 2010 : 07:28:55 AM
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I have just caught up with this, Ros I wish you good luck today, I will be thinking of you,
Mandy xx |
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Not MF, Pseudomonas AND LV!!!
