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Qui Gon Jinn
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 Posted - 29 Dec 2009 : 10:59:31 AM
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Does anyone know if the Shulay Stud is still breeding horses? I am interested in a stallion they had, Shulay Faberge. I've looked on their website, but it doesn't appear to hve been updated in some considerable time.
Failing that does anyone know of a good, high percentage arab (ideally Crabbet!) palomino stallion that they would recommend to put to a chestnut mare with very high Crabbet %?!
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Sadika
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Theo
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Posted - 29 Dec 2009 : 12:57:07 PM
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Hi
As far as i know the Shulay Stud has stopped breeding as they sold most of their horses to Denmark, which is where i believe Shulay Faberge is standing think it was rainbow arabians. There are a few Shulay horses around in in england. The best place to look for palomino stallions is on the british palomino website where they have a list of stallions and where they are standing. We have three palomino stallions standing with us for 2010 and can happily pm you information about them but not sure how much crabbet they have in them. |
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JESSIEMAE
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England
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Posted - 29 Dec 2009 : 12:58:08 PM
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Hi there, Unfortunately the Shulay stud has bow been disbanded. Ali H, who posts on here is Pauline's God daughter. She should pick this up and be able to tell you more. I am fortunate enough to own Shulay Montana and even though she is now 16 years old and was in bad condition when I bought her, still oozes that Shulay quality.
Good luck in your search for a stallion.
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sarahlock
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England
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Posted - 29 Dec 2009 : 12:59:45 PM
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The Shulay Stud stopped breeding back in about 2004 , they sold alot of their Palominos to Wendy Norris of Rainbow Arabians in Denmark ,Wendy then purchased a cremello colt "Moonhaze Silver Spiral" from the UK who is a son of Faberge`s X Legend Moon Royale who is a full sister to my mare Fantasy ,
Shulay Faberge was then sold on to another stud in Denmark!
Heres the link
http://www.palomino-psa.dk/index.php?page=faberge |
     
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Qui Gon Jinn
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Scotland
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Posted - 29 Dec 2009 : 1:03:07 PM
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Typical!! Oh well back to the drawing board there then. Thanks for the help guys, I knew you'd know the answer.
Faberge was without doubt a stunner and I bet the stud that has him now is over the moon with him. I wonder if they do AI?!
Alternatively the Fayreland horses are also lovely, but I suspect they aren't being produced much now either. Very sad. I've looked on the Palomino Societys website, but nothing really jumped out at me on there. The snag of course being that I am looking for something with a very high percentage of arab blood which seems not to be so common. |
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Tzarina
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Posted - 29 Dec 2009 : 1:03:22 PM
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| Faberge was sold to Denmark to Wendy Norris in 03? I think, around the same time as Eldyr was sold. I think they just kept some of the older horses, and retired from showing and breeding. Ali who originally owned Shulay Montana was very friendly with Karen, she would know more. |
    
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sarahlock
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Qui Gon Jinn
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Posted - 29 Dec 2009 : 1:22:49 PM
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Thanks for that. I did have a look on Rainbow Arabians website just now, but there is no sign of Faberge sadly. I have emailed them to see if indeed they have still have him and IF they do AI!!
His son is a nice looking horse too though so perhaps that would be another venue to look at.
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pintoarabian
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Qui Gon Jinn
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Scotland
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Posted - 29 Dec 2009 : 3:26:33 PM
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Thanks Performance Arabians, I did see your lad advertised on the Scottish Arab Groups website, so am off to have a look at your website now! You are not that far from me either, so ideal all round!
Abz87, I'd be interested in your lad too. Is it better to use cremello to chestnut then, when looking to produce palomino? Or does palomino to chestnut work just as well? |
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abz87
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Posted - 29 Dec 2009 : 4:17:40 PM
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| Its better to use a cremello to a chestnut to guarantee a pally. pally to chestnut works as well but i think you only get a 50/50 chance of getting either a pally or a chestnut. |
   
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Qui Gon Jinn
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Posted - 29 Dec 2009 : 4:34:01 PM
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| Hhmm, isn't genetics a strange thing?! I assumed that it would be better to use a palomino stallion to chestnut to get palomino back. I've seen some cremello stallions/mares with blue eyes, is this likely to be carried onto offspring from a mare with brown eyes? |
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sarahlock
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Posted - 29 Dec 2009 : 5:54:02 PM
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Genetics are wierd alright , i put my palomino mare (who has a Cremello sire & a Bay dam) to a Cremello stallion & got a Palomino , yet both of Fantasy`s Palomino full sisters were bred with Shulay Faberge "Legend Moon Princess" had 2 Cremello`s & Royale had a Cremello Colt !
Actually Shulay Faberge has produced alot of Cremello`s to Palomino mares.
Sometimes you see Welsh A`s with blue eyes if they have alot of white on their face but i`ve not seen many PBA Pallys with wall eyes ! |
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Dark Angel
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England
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Posted - 29 Dec 2009 : 6:23:05 PM
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Hello there
I own Shulay Bullion who is a palomino stallion. His daddy was the lovely Quadeha. He has the softest,gentlest nature which he passes onto his babies. If you would like any info or pictures please just ask 
Caroline
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Dark Angel
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Posted - 29 Dec 2009 : 6:26:00 PM
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| Oops, forgot to add....Bullion is 84.40% arab |
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sarahlock
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Dark Angel
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Posted - 29 Dec 2009 : 6:34:58 PM
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Hiya Sarahlock1 yes you're right
I bought him from Sarah at the Sameon stud when he was four years old...he'll be 20 in May.
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sarahlock
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Posted - 29 Dec 2009 : 6:38:55 PM
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Hi Caroline ,
There was a full brother of his for sale in the London area last autumn called Shulay Peridot & he was still a lovely golden colour! |
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AliH
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England
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Posted - 29 Dec 2009 : 7:40:55 PM
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Hi
just noticed this link, I am Pauline Gribben's goddaughter and still very close to both Pauline and Karen. As you already know Faberge was exported to Denmark to Wendy a few years ago. He is gorgeous and I'm glad to see he still looks stunning. Pauline closed the stud back in 2003 due to ill health and Wendy had most of the horses she had left.
Wendy also had two fantastic colts bred by Pauline who are by Rusleem, i'm not sure if she still has them but worth asking as I'm sure she does AI. Bullion is lovely aswell and Coral did really well showing and was very typey so her son should be lovely aswell.
Hope you find the right boy for your girl.
Ali
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AliH
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Posted - 29 Dec 2009 : 7:43:12 PM
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Forgot to mention, if you want a guaranteed pally you will need to use a cremello on a chestnut. This doesn't guarantee you a good colour mind you!! but genetically it will be a palomino.
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Theo
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Posted - 30 Dec 2009 : 09:22:56 AM
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Hi Ali,
Think you are quite right, whilst variations do occur, rangeing in shades of colour. Manakah (bay) - dam of GBB has been producing consistently palis by Ghost Moon (crem), yet, couple of seasons back... lo and behold had a dun! Therefore crem x ch may possibly produce shades as light as cream dun/ cremello?
I think you have to look back at the sire/ stallion's colour breeding too in this instance (ie is he by pali x pali, crem x pali, crem x ch/bay etc...?) to give a better indication?
Isn't colour breeding fun?!
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Qui Gon Jinn
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Posted - 30 Dec 2009 : 10:13:11 AM
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Dark Angel, your lad is stunning!! I'd be very interested in him, particularily since he has a large Crabbet influence. Could you send me more details of him please? I can PM you my email address.
My mare is quite a dark chestnut with a lot of blonde through her mane. Her sire has gone liver chestnut over the years, having started off quite an orangy chestnut! She will be 8 years old this year and is also getting darker the older she gets.
I find the whole colouration in genetics fascinating. My foal this year should have been chestnut when he was born, yet he was jet black, went quite a rich bay colour through the summer, and has now gone back to black again! He is likely to grey off though has his mum is grey. He is a half brother to my mare.
Thanks for all the help and information so far guys.
My next question is...........Are there any high arab % Cremello stallions in the uk that you would recommend?! |
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saddlebred
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Posted - 30 Dec 2009 : 10:52:42 AM
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Hi Jayne
These pally's never get out of your blood do they!!
The genetics thing is fascinating. Generally a palomino horse (CA) has one chestnut gene(C) and one dilute gene (A). This means that when you cross pally to pally (CA x CA) you have a 50% chance of palomino, 25% cremello, and 25% chestnut. That is why most breeders cherish their wellbred cremello mares. I have no idea how to work out how buckskins and bays can through palomino as well. Way over my head.
Here is a link to a colour calculator that tells you what you should get. This is really good but a bit scientific.
http://www.horsetesting.com/CCalculator1.asp
There are lots of lovely Cremello high % Arabians around.
Cant wait to hear which one you choose.
Happy New Year
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karen d
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