| Author |
 Topic  |
|
|
BabsR
Platinum Member
 England
2790 Posts |
 Posted - 12 Dec 2009 : 12:17:34 PM
|
So......what about the Anglo and Part Bred Arabs???? The writer gave a lengthy account of the successes of Pure Arab Premium Stallion`s progeny, and found space to record details of her own stallions get.....but not even a single line about the Anglo and Part Bred Premium Stallions!!!!! Romarnic Stud`s Romarnic Ranger by Fairlyn Gemini also Sunray`s Premium Stallion Sunray Scelebrity to name two Premium Anglo stallions, who have made a huge contribution to the Premium Scheme over the last two decades, with stock still out there flying the flag for the AHS Premium Scheme
What a pity the writer could not find space in her review.....to make mention of other than Pure Arab Premium Stallions!! seems we are not worthy of mention...but she does offer apologies and YES....you should have MADE space to include Anglo & Part Bred Premium Stallions
which would have been more acceptable than an apology!!!!
Really do not know why Anglo and Part Bred Breeders/Owners, bother
to pay our Membership fees
Babs
www.SunrayAngloArabianStud.co.uk
|
        |
Edited by - BabsR on 13 Dec 2009 1:10:49 PM
|
|
Report to moderator
|
|
|
Sundance
Racing Moderator
England
932 Posts |
Posted - 12 Dec 2009 : 2:29:30 PM
|
I thought the Arab Yearbook was great and some nice articles and adverts on UK studs especially the focus on Crabbet Arabians, loved the Duchess of Rutlands Imad colt Silver Surprise!!!
Empathise with your comments on the premium scheme and all the achievements of the Anglo's being forgotten. I am slightly annoyed that there was absolutely no coverage in the review on Arab racing not even Dubai Day, and it would have been available as well.
The premium scheme is a great idea but not sure the benefit of having a mare reg as Premium as you only get a refund if you use a premium stallion, doesn't seem to be much incentive to reg the mares or am I missing something.
Paul |
Paul
www.zayinarabianstud.co.uk |
Report to Moderator  |
|
|
SueB
Platinum Member
United Kingdom
3218 Posts |
Posted - 12 Dec 2009 : 2:47:31 PM
|
Paul, didn't you used to do the write up's for racing in the AHS News? maybe you could do them again?
I thought this Year Book was absolutely great, I loved every bit, in fact one of the best ones yet.
I know someone has commented on here about the Arabian Mag, but they are Worldwide and do a wonderful job of covering the World. !! But we do so need our own British Magazine for all our British Arabs!!! I was able to read more in this mag and I keep going back to it.
Huge thanks to Sue, Sally and Madelene.
If people are unhappy about lack of content why not offer to do write ups and coverage of Anglos for the peeps who look after the mag, I bet they would love you to help.
It's our magazine, so why not offer to help? |
| Report to Moderator |
|
|
weirton
Gold Member
873 Posts |
Posted - 12 Dec 2009 : 3:12:44 PM
|
Same old story, if you want something done do it yourself. No recognition from the Arab people although the Angloa and Part-breds do far more for the promotion of Arabs in breeding programs than pure-breds ever do, possibly with the exception of the endurance horses and Templars.
The Arab fraternity live in a little world of their own
and it's about time they got into the real world and tried to change the reputation they've aquired in latter years. There was a time when Arabs had a good name in all spheres and it's not too late to get back there if everyone gets of their self-built podiums.
Sorry for the rant but I hate seeing good things going bad.
I'm not a racing person but surely the magazine should cater for all members not the favoured few.
Jean
|
       |
| Report to Moderator |
|
|
SueB
Platinum Member
United Kingdom
3218 Posts |
|
|
arabiantouch
Gold Member
England
590 Posts |
|
|
M Robson
Silver Member
Wales
398 Posts |
|
|
SueB
Platinum Member
United Kingdom
3218 Posts |
Posted - 12 Dec 2009 : 7:45:59 PM
|
In all seriousness, it is a huge shame that people feel so fed up or aggrieved that they have to air it on here.
All it does IMO is make the majority of the arab world dread the word Anglo.
No one offers to do reports on them and no one offers to do articles, I know only to well from my days working with Val on the News many years ago.
Always the same 'the society doesn't care about us' comes back as an answer.
Surely then the thing to do is help promote your breed, shout from the roof tops about the breed. The purebred folk do!!! Yes, this may include offering to help out on a show report, or an article in a magazine about your breed.
There are so few of you left, only you have the best insight into the Anglo. I feel a hopeless second class Anglo reporter and really truthfully don't wish to do them anymore. Let us all hear from you about them.
Babs has such a wealth of knowledge about the Anglo breed, it seems a shame to leave it untapped. |
| Report to Moderator |
|
|
azeer
Silver Member
373 Posts |
Posted - 12 Dec 2009 : 9:53:02 PM
|
Well we cant do right for doing wrong can we? I can honestly say reading your comments I wonder why we bothered spending weeks and many long hours chasing articles and trying to get a good mix for all to read - and if you think getting articles from people is easy think again! One lady who promised me an article that included part breds eventing was very keen, then just disappeared when the deadline arrived, despite many attempts to chase.
We listened to your moans and so both the summer and winter magazines contained a lot more partbred articles, but we can only do so much if you dont help us!
Granted the lady who wrote the premium scheme didn't cover all the horses - perhaps you could contact her/ the premium committee and make sure it is in the next article. However let's not forget there was a full article on the stunning premium part bred Fairlyn's Gemini and his successful partbred offspring.
BabsR when I contacted you and asked you to contribute from the Anglo side you kindly did providing an obit for your stunning Anglo boy. There were dressage write ups that covered partbreds (Nationals and Amy Nash), along with show coverage of the Cherif & Nationals.
Jean "Weirton" perhaps you can write a great article on part breds for the next magzine afterall you have a huge amount of experience,success and lots to say - so plenty to write about - what do you say? I am sure future editors would appreicate it.
Paul - note your comments about racing, we did put a 3 page review in the summer mag perhaps you would like to help out writing up in the next issue?
What I can tell you is that people do not volunteer to write articles, we spend hours contacting many people persuading them to write things, we end up writing a lot ourselves. It is YOUR magazine so if you want something in there contact us and we will do our very best to accomodate it.
|
| Report to Moderator |
|
|
PHILIP
Bronze Member
United Kingdom
54 Posts |
Posted - 13 Dec 2009 : 09:02:39 AM
|
Azeer
First I would like to congratulate you on producing an excellent magazine. Not everyone knows that you somehow fit that production (with only the highest interests of the arabian horse in mind) alongside an extremely demanding day job and the production of ridden arabs and the showing of cats as well as other council business.
I note that you refer to future editors in the post above rather than yourself - are we meant to read anything into that? Do the people on Arabian Lines who are forever knocking the efforts of the Council members, ever take time out to accept how the negative comments on a continual drip make them feel "why bother".
There were not many takers for the the job of getting the magazine up and out and I can see if you loose yet another editor you will only be able to moan about the fact that there is no magazine - (at least the anglo breeders could not then claim discrimination from the pure breeders because no one will have been written about)
No committee is ever perfect but when you have people prepared to do the work voluntary at least give them encouragement unless you are prepared to stand up and do better. Just remember whatever you do will not be good enough for others and just know that it is easier to do better when someone else has at least given you ammunition to argue with (it is a darn sight harder to put the information up from which others can shoot you down)
Back to the magazine - I say again well done Azeer and may we see you producing another edition at least!!!
Philip
|
| Report to Moderator |
|
|
jaybird
Gold Member
France
1192 Posts |
|
|
nn
Gold Member
England
659 Posts |
Posted - 13 Dec 2009 : 10:33:24 AM
|
Sally
I thought that you did a good job of trying to get a balance.
It is sad that the AA/PBA premium stallions didn't get a mention, but i for one will be ringing Diana to suggest that a quick letter to us all before the due date, and we can send in any interesting news.
It is annoying when you ask people to write something and they don't!
You cant be held responsible for that.
The premium scheme i think needs all the help it can get at the moment and i know that Ann Brown is trying very hard to improve things.
Lets us AA/PBA owners and breeders get our pens to paper and write so much stuff that poor Sally has a nightmare choosing what to publish ,instead of her watching tumble weed going past waiting for it!
I am already thinking of something interesting i can send.
Nicky
|
       |
| Report to Moderator |
|
|
azeer
Silver Member
373 Posts |
Posted - 13 Dec 2009 : 11:01:28 AM
|
| Thank you Nicky - when asked to contribute you did an amazing job and it was lovely to be able to include you articles. We look forward to more for next issue - hopefully we will be able to put an update on Amy's success (fingers crossed) at the regional championships. |
| Report to Moderator |
|
|
BabsR
Platinum Member
England
2790 Posts |
Posted - 13 Dec 2009 : 11:43:02 AM
|
Anglo/PBA Breeders are not disputing the Hard work that the Editor puts in to produce the Yearbook and for the Pure Arabian Breeders, with page after page of Arabian horses.....yes you have right to be proud of the magazine.
Over the years we have submitted various articles and photos etc, only to have been disappointed that same where edited and photos not printed....usually stating "due to lack of space" when we questioned why. This has happened on more than one occasion....so we ourselves thought why bother!! as I am sure other Anglo/PBA Breeder/Owner/Members have done.
This year we were contacted and responded with a obituary for our Premium Anglo Stallion....and have to say were very pleased when we read same in it`s entirety.....without any editing and missing info. Thankyou, we really appreciate.
Yes, Anglo Breeders in Particular have had good reason to moan at Councils lack of interest.....one wonders if faced with an issue threatening the Pure Arab Stud Book, as the AA11`s (Part Bred Arabs)issue which jeopardized the integrity of our Pure Anglo Stud Book.....and is still unresolved after almost two decades.....just wondered how many Pure Arab Breeders....would sit quiet and not shout out loud and long, about such injustice!!! forced upon us from the AHS Council Members.....believe me, we have every right to be extremely disillusioned
Sorry about that rant.....getting back to the Yearbook...best one yet!!
Babs
www.SunrayAngloArabianStud.co.uk
P.S. Azeer......already working on an article for 2010 Yearbook to sing the praises of the forgotten side of the breeding equation....the Premium Brood Mares and their progeny....its not all about stallions, this breeding lark
|
|
Edited by - BabsR on 13 Dec 2009 11:51:02 AM |
| Report to Moderator |
|
|
SueB
Platinum Member
United Kingdom
3218 Posts |
Posted - 13 Dec 2009 : 11:57:38 AM
|
I don't think you should single out Anglo's or Part Breds as having an article condensed/edited. It happens all the time to Purebred articles, not only in the News but also many other Magazines.
I used to get frustrated but realise it is just a question of fitting in everything, nothing suspicious or aimed at any one writer.
Don't be so sensitive Babs. We have all had it happen, just move on. Maybe re submit and keep pushing.
I am so glad Sally has a wealth of support, long may it continue.
|
Edited by - SueB on 14 Dec 2009 11:05:59 AM |
| Report to Moderator |
|
|
BabsR
Platinum Member
England
2790 Posts |
Posted - 13 Dec 2009 : 1:09:54 PM
|
Nothing to do with being sensitive SueB....but after one has bothered to sit down and write an article, which clearly the editorial say they are lacking for Anglo/Pba insert.....then reading the content, with important pics or info (to the writer) edited out, then after several experiences thus... I for one then could not be bothered to make a further offering.
How pleased was I that the obituary for Scelebrity was printed in its entirety and can hope this will continue under the new Editor
I had a very long run in with the Premium Scheme some time back....who were saying more or less....get off your backside and do something about it...we want your ideas etc etc I did.....I convened a meeting with several Anglo/PBA Premium Scheme Owners at that time.
We met....discussed matters for several hours and minutes were taken
I prepared a dossier and also documented an analysis of all AA/PBA
stallions at that time. Many hours of work went into producing the final file, which included sending copies to the Head of the Premium Scheme Committee by post, recipient to sign for.
No response....several weeks later, was told that same had not been received....then saying days later had found same (one of the girls must have signed for it and did not tell her) Copies were also sent to other Premium Scheme Committee Members. I was promised the File would be presented and discussed at the Premium Scheme Meeting, due shortly after. Day of meeting....spoke to Office and it was confirmed my document had NOT been taken into or discussed at that meeting!!!! A lot of work for NOTHING, several stallion owners had completely wasted their time and petrol money travelling.
Sorry, going off topic...but perhaps one can understand, why Anglo Members are so fed up with such negativity towards their minority Members
Babs
www.SunrayAngloArabianStud.co.uk
|
|
| Report to Moderator |
|
|
Sahir
Gold Member
England
847 Posts |
Posted - 13 Dec 2009 : 1:27:55 PM
|
I thought it was an excellent magazine - Well done Sally and the team 
It is a shame when the same old moaners keep on moaning, it really defeats the object I believe, as in the end people think "Oh God here they go again" and just
move on to another thread. It would be nice to see something positive for a change from these small group of "contributors" instead of the constant criticism 
|
| Report to Moderator |
|
|
SueN
Bronze Member
England
169 Posts |
Posted - 13 Dec 2009 : 2:42:38 PM
|
Let us remember where you are able to vent your fury and complaints. Here on Arabian Lines. A.L. has always bent over backwards to accommodate any sections putting up show results, and any news that anyone cares to send in.
There is here, a dedicated section for Anglo and Part breds for anyone who would like to contribute. It is always difficult to get people to put pen to paper, only to find that the article has been edited without consultation.
Every other society has one annual magazine, I have never understood why we need to have so many! |
| Report to Moderator |
|
|
azeer
Silver Member
373 Posts |
Posted - 13 Dec 2009 : 3:49:39 PM
|
BabsR - thank you for your comments and you know, as you and I have spoken, we will try to keep articles as much as possible in their entirity, but occasionally space etc does come into play and we do have to chop some bits out. We usually do always send articles back to contributors for their agreement once we have sorted the text.
However I am delighted you are putting pen to paper again and will contact you in due course - many thanks. |
| Report to Moderator |
|
|
mogwai
Platinum Member
England
2717 Posts |
Posted - 14 Dec 2009 : 7:23:29 PM
|
Am i missing something? I am an AHS member (in my maiden year  ) but i haven't recieved anything recently. Should i have?
Ros |
| Report to Moderator |
|
|
alistair leslie
Gold Member
England
1036 Posts |
Posted - 15 Dec 2009 : 3:20:18 PM
|
A lovely magazine Ladies! and a results section-quite like old times
Well done, or as Len Goodman would say "NINE!" |
    
blue moon |
| Report to Moderator |
|
|
DenmoorStud
Gold Member
739 Posts |
Posted - 15 Dec 2009 : 6:05:37 PM
|
Sundance, By using a Premium Scheme Stallion approved and performance tested as required by the AHS on a Premium Mare the result should be a horse capable of a high level of performance. The performance test used by the Society is on a parr with those used in Europe, the AHS is leading the way forward to promote the Arabian Sport Horse, which I would like to add includes the Anglo and Partbred.
The options are available for Mare owners to breed superb horses capable of any dicipline.
If you own a Stallion why not consider putting him forward for testing next year 2010
Thank you for my year book, I know how much time and effort has gone into producing it. |
   
|
Edited by - DenmoorStud on 15 Dec 2009 6:13:36 PM |
| Report to Moderator |
|
|
jaj
Platinum Member
United Kingdom
4324 Posts |
Posted - 15 Dec 2009 : 6:19:06 PM
|
I loved it, really good edition. Much as I also enjoy it is our society publication that I keep coming back to as it is all much more relevant to me than an international magazine.
Thank you for all those that put so much time and effort into producing it  !
|
     
Kuraishiya (Maleik el Kheil/Kazra el Saghira) and Sahara Bey (Kuraishiya/WSA Charismma) |
| Report to Moderator |
|
|
egzotyka
Gold Member
England
1427 Posts |
Posted - 15 Dec 2009 : 6:43:09 PM
|
| I thought the yearbook was really good, best one i've had in ages. Well done to all concerned. x |
   
*I know I'm in my own little world, but it's ok. They know me here
*When life gets you down - just put on your big girl panties and deal with
it. |
| Report to Moderator |
|
|
mogwai
Platinum Member
England
2717 Posts |
Posted - 15 Dec 2009 : 6:53:30 PM
|
Well, i got mine today, and i LOVE it! Seems like a very well balanced issue to me. Loads of interesting articles, lovely glamour shots and great action of our wonderful, beautiful, intelligent breed.
Great stuff. Thanks
Ros |
| Report to Moderator |
|
|
BabsR
Platinum Member
England
2790 Posts |
Posted - 15 Dec 2009 : 6:56:34 PM
|
Have to agree with Denmoor...it IS worthwhile putting Mares forward for Premium Status. And lets NOT forget about the importance of the Mare in the breeding equation. Nicky Nash`s Anglo Arab Mare, Lady Arabella is one of only two Anglo mares in this Country ever to have been approved and entered in the Head Stud Book for.... Trakheners
Lady Arabella has very recently been awarded a Premium by the BEF (British Eventing Federation)being the Dam of BEF 1st Premium foal who has gained a high points score. Foal(by NASTA Elite tested Romarnic Ranger
Sunray Stud are delighted to have played their part in this wonderful success story. Lady Arabella`s Dam is sired by our Premium Anglo Stallion Sunray Scelebrity and her Dam is Sunray Sapphire (out of BNC & Premium Mare,Sunray Seranata) Proof indeed that Mares are very important in the breeding game.
Therefore feel that any further Premium Scheme Review must make space for the forgotten ones....our Premium Brood Mares, Pure, Anglos and Part Bred Arab
Babs
www.SunrayAngloArabianStud.co.uk |
|
Edited by - BabsR on 15 Dec 2009 7:09:48 PM |
| Report to Moderator |
|
|
Topic |
|
AHS YEARBOOK.....Premium Scheme Annual Review
