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Egbert
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Posted - 02 Oct 2008 :  12:16:09 PM  Show Profile  Visit Egbert's Homepage Bookmark this reply Add Egbert to your friends list Send Egbert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Pray? Seriously, there are a lot of benefits to the vinegar besides seeming to enhance the possiblity of a filly...It is supposed to help deter mosquitoes, flies, dissolve enteroliths, improve one's mood...But I've never heard of what one would feed for a greater chance of a colt. I'll ask my vet next time I see him!
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Posted - 02 Oct 2008 :  1:19:24 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add LYNDILOU to your friends list Send LYNDILOU a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hi Gari I am here in Texas this morning I guess you couldnt make it?
I also use Cider vinigar for fillies and I have had a high ratio of fillies all the visiting mares were given cider vinigar this year so we will see how it goes


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jackiedo
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Posted - 02 Oct 2008 :  2:52:59 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jackiedo to your friends list Send jackiedo a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Egbert, Azlan's piccie is back up. He is a very old fashioned sort.
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Athena
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Posted - 02 Oct 2008 :  3:06:31 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Athena to your friends list Send Athena a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Thanks for the kind words about both Winged Saint and my photography Gari.

Funnily enough I have been told about cider vinegar before (doesn't seem to have had the desired result with Narishka's 2 pregancies so far, but then it just swings the odds as I understand it so a sample of two is not fair), and I feed it anyway because it seems to help ease the stiffness in Narishka's shoulder - caused by a field accident back in 2002. It is supposed to work for people too - not that I am planning any more children of my own! Alexia
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LYNDILOU
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Posted - 02 Oct 2008 :  3:30:34 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add LYNDILOU to your friends list Send LYNDILOU a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Also it seems to work well if you want fillies to cover just once about the 3rd or 4th day, as I was told the female (XX) live longer than the(xy) sperms who are good fast swimmers but die quicker than the slower female swimmers who live longer, the thought being the faster sperms all get there first but die before the egg arrives, while the female swimmers are just turning up


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Athena
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Posted - 02 Oct 2008 :  4:06:06 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Athena to your friends list Send Athena a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by LYNDILOU

Also it seems to work well if you want fillies to cover just once about the 3rd or 4th day, as I was told the female (XX) live longer than the(xy) sperms who are good fast swimmers but die quicker than the slower female swimmers who live longer, the thought being the faster sperms all get there first but die before the egg arrives, while the female swimmers are just turning up


Of course some mares will only stand at certain times in their cycle - which may explain why mares can be prone to fillies or colts. The view has always been that stallions control the sex of the resulting foal which, strictly speaking, they do, but on the basis of the above the mare can certainly affect the end result.

My mare can only be covered once for veterinary reasons (if I am going to have a chance of her holding that is) but is only willing to stand for the stallion for a couple of days and goes off very quicky. She seems to ovulate late too, according to the scans last year anyway, which should make fillies more likely shouldn't it? Unfortunately she has conceived colts both times so far! Well I'll just keep trying!! Alexia
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LYNDILOU
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Posted - 02 Oct 2008 :  7:09:45 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add LYNDILOU to your friends list Send LYNDILOU a Private Message  Reply with Quote
my mares will also only stand at certain times of the cycle, but I dont to cover until they are ready.


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Tahir
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Posted - 02 Oct 2008 :  7:13:38 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Tahir to your friends list Send Tahir a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I am definitely going to try the Apple Cider Vinegar method, and I have also heard of the timing of coverings - ie. cover as far from ovulation as possible because female sperm is stronger and will last longer but slower swimmers, male sperm get there quicker but have no stamina (mmmmm....???, a very thought provoking idea!!!).

Just another element to add to the mix, Taj has sired many more fillies than colts with various different bloodlines and types of mares - very interesting!!!

Gari, I agree, 'Pepe le Peu' is a gorgeous boy, but it's not Taj, although very similar breeding, especially on the sire line. 'Pepe le Peu' is 'Amir al Sahra' (Imperial Kamilll x Raqqisa), a new addition to our breeding programme, and I (and his owners) are hoping that he will complement Taj's daughters - fingers crossed!!!

Carla, xx.
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LYNDILOU
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Posted - 02 Oct 2008 :  7:40:12 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add LYNDILOU to your friends list Send LYNDILOU a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I just KNOW he will Carla


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Egbert
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Posted - 03 Oct 2008 :  10:39:29 AM  Show Profile  Visit Egbert's Homepage Bookmark this reply Add Egbert to your friends list Send Egbert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by Athena

Thanks for the kind words about both Winged Saint and my photography Gari.

Funnily enough I have been told about cider vinegar before (doesn't seem to have had the desired result with Narishka's 2 pregancies so far, but then it just swings the odds as I understand it so a sample of two is not fair), and I feed it anyway because it seems to help ease the stiffness in Narishka's shoulder - caused by a field accident back in 2002. It is supposed to work for people too - not that I am planning any more children of my own! Alexia


Hi Alexia,

Have you had your water tested for ph balance? If not you have to adjust the amount of apple cider vinegar. Over in Lodi/Stockton area the alkalinity and magnesium content of the water is so strong that the vets give their personal horses at least 2 cups a day to avoid the formation of enteroliths (stones that can be as large as footballs!)! Here at home where the water is ph balanced, I just give a couple of tablespoons.

One very odd thing is that the alfalfa grown here in Cal is supposedly the culprit in so many colics so we are now feeding half grass and half alfalfa which seems to solve the problem!

Yes, there are supposed to be many near miraculous 'cures' with the daily feeding of apple cider vinegar (NOTE: distilled vinegar does not work and does not have the same properties). One of the reasons it is supposed to work is that fed over a minimal period of 8 weeks, the body chemistry of the mare is altered ever so slightly.

Also cleaning out the stallion, i.e., have him breed a dummy a couple of days in a row before actually covering a mare is also helpful as there are more xx's swimming about. Thus it is also suggested to breed a mare late in the season for much the same reason presuming the stallion has been breeding lots ahead of one.

Edited by - Egbert on 03 Oct 2008 10:49:15 AM
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Egbert
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Posted - 03 Oct 2008 :  10:41:51 AM  Show Profile  Visit Egbert's Homepage Bookmark this reply Add Egbert to your friends list Send Egbert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by LYNDILOU

Hi Gari I am here in Texas this morning I guess you couldnt make it?
I also use Cider vinigar for fillies and I have had a high ratio of fillies all the visiting mares were given cider vinigar this year so we will see how it goes


Lynda,

Would that I could get away but it is not looking likely. How long are you there for?
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Egbert
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Posted - 03 Oct 2008 :  10:50:17 AM  Show Profile  Visit Egbert's Homepage Bookmark this reply Add Egbert to your friends list Send Egbert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by jackiedo

Egbert, Azlan's piccie is back up. He is a very old fashioned sort.


Hi Jackie,

Found the picture and he is lovely!

Thank you for the heads up!
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LYNDILOU
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Posted - 03 Oct 2008 :  11:44:23 AM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add LYNDILOU to your friends list Send LYNDILOU a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Gari, I am here to the 15th oct, I will be going up to Aubrey this weekend, will look in on Dick and Christine Reed as well as doing a couple of other stud visits, taking my grandson to the fair on monday, and then gernerally hanging out in Dallas untill the 10th when I go over to Waco, to visit Thee Desperado and Co, so just in case you feel like popping down thats my itinarary, you are most welcome to stay at Samantha's


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Christine Pollard
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Posted - 03 Oct 2008 :  11:46:55 AM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Christine Pollard to your friends list Send Christine Pollard a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Gosh Lynda get back to bed. Its sooooo early over there
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LYNDILOU
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Posted - 03 Oct 2008 :  12:18:41 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add LYNDILOU to your friends list Send LYNDILOU a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I know but I couldnt sleep still on UK time, anyway I get a chance to use the PC cos once my daughter gets up and her secretary turns up for work, thats it, cant get near themI know that Gari often uses the pc early in the morning so I thought I would try and get her hows the weather at home? I still spend all my time worrying about my horses , dogs and chickens I am sure the OH is fine


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Tahir
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Posted - 03 Oct 2008 :  12:25:45 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Tahir to your friends list Send Tahir a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Lynda, weather in NE Herts is brisk, overcast and threatening rain. Have had some sun this morning, but a very chilly wind. Basically the weather is, as always, changeable. So I reckon your lovely horses will be fine, along with the chickens and pups (OH is big enough to look after himself)

So how is the weather there (and I am sooooooo not jealous)

Carla, xx.
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LYNDILOU
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Posted - 03 Oct 2008 :  12:53:03 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add LYNDILOU to your friends list Send LYNDILOU a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Weather here so far has been too hot, we are hoping it will cool towards the end of the week, you really wouldnt like Dallas in the summer which is why I come on october usually, I have only come once in August and it was frying egss on pavement hot! I dont know how the horses cope out here! but they do[8D its still very pretty with flowers in bloom and not as arrid as some years I have come in october after a very dry summer, I think it must have rained a bit this year, well that the weather for Dallas, hope you are all well and keepimg busy I am off to do a bit of retail therapy today its a tough life but someones gotta do it[:D Suzq in case you read this I did try and e mail you, havent had a reply yet


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Egbert
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Posted - 05 Oct 2008 :  07:46:32 AM  Show Profile  Visit Egbert's Homepage Bookmark this reply Add Egbert to your friends list Send Egbert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hi Lynda!

Which is your favorite 'shop'????
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katefox1812
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Posted - 05 Oct 2008 :  11:44:47 AM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add katefox1812 to your friends list Send katefox1812 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hello Gari!

Sorry I haven't been in touch for a bit - will email properly today - but meanwhile a very nice friend was wondering about your Egberty thoughts on a possible match between my Tobago and her Silver Jameela? http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/silver+jameela

Also, if you have time, any predictions on the foal due next year by Tobago out of My Midnite Dancer? http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/my+midnite+dancer

I think by now you probably know Tobago's pedigree by heart LOL! - but here it is for those who don't: http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/h+tobago

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Egbert
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Posted - 05 Oct 2008 :  12:23:04 PM  Show Profile  Visit Egbert's Homepage Bookmark this reply Add Egbert to your friends list Send Egbert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hey, Kate! Look forward to hearing from you!!!

The cross with Silver Jameela should be very beautiful and surprisingly elegant as her tail female line traces to the Abbas Pasha/Ali Pasha Sherif line of Bint Helwa! Courageous, loving, elegant makes for a lovely cross! If chestnut, the baby will be the above, if gray multiply by 4!

The cross with My Midnight Dancer should be spectacular as well tho' be careful not to overdue the protein in the feed as this will be double Bey Shah...The cross will make for an intensely loyal baby and a bit snippy with outsiders, super beautiful and unflappable! This mare is a Seglawi ibn ed Derri and quite chisled.

The babies from both mares should be spectacular!

Quite lovely!
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LYNDILOU
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Posted - 05 Oct 2008 :  4:23:26 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add LYNDILOU to your friends list Send LYNDILOU a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hi Gari, I am up in Collinsville at the moment at the home of Sasaki, he is looking really well at the moment and I have seen a son of his I would love to bring home with me I shall try and take pictures this morning.
We are about to get ready to go visit Toskhara Arabians. so shopping is not high on my list today ,horses are !but my favourite shop is Chach'e. oh but I cant really afford anything in there unless its in the sale


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loosefur
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Posted - 05 Oct 2008 :  4:40:52 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add loosefur to your friends list Send loosefur a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hi Gari

First post in this thread. I've recently bought a mare who I hope to breed from next year. I'm still very much learning about bloodlines - total novice really. I bought her simply because she is maternal half sister to one of my other horses Gedenski who was an International standard endurance horse in his prime. I want to breed something that is beautiful enough to do showing with as a youngster but will also be able to perform in endurance when old enough. Could you possibly suggest what sort of bloodlines would match best with my mare?

Her pedigree is here:

http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/beau+rashella

I'd also really like to breed a bay but obviously this is not the most important factor by a long way.

Edited by - loosefur on 05 Oct 2008 4:41:26 PM
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Egbert
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Posted - 07 Oct 2008 :  09:32:04 AM  Show Profile  Visit Egbert's Homepage Bookmark this reply Add Egbert to your friends list Send Egbert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Welcome aboard Angela! Well it is a very interesting pedigree. She is definitely a Seglawi Jedran, sire line to Mahruss so she is extremely intelligent...watch out she can figure out how to open gates, combination padlocks and other devices...She is very good looking and powerfully built thanks to a lot of up close Mikeno kuhailan blood, and should move with real brilliance. She should prove exceptionally loyal and have very very nice babies given the blend of bloodlines-some truly stunning straight Egyptian, Crabbet and British (Old English) lines. You have a couple of ways of going but if you want bay blood there is one stallion that immediately comes to mind and that is FS Bengali, Aja Sanchez standing at Cullinghurst at the moment (probably your best bet), and then for something that will bring out the most Seglawi beauty would be two stallions-WSA Charismma (real good chance of bay with breeding to him...your mare is loaded with Naziri blood and particularly through the bay Saladin II and Nazziria!) or BNC Aazari, a bay Hamdani Simri *Carmargue son whose sire was the incomparable BNC Arazi.

So that should give you some fun visits and trust me-some very very beautiful horses to look at!

Edited by - Egbert on 07 Oct 2008 09:44:58 AM
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Athena
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Posted - 07 Oct 2008 :  1:30:33 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Athena to your friends list Send Athena a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by Egbert

Originally posted by Athena

Thanks for the kind words about both Winged Saint and my photography Gari.

Funnily enough I have been told about cider vinegar before (doesn't seem to have had the desired result with Narishka's 2 pregancies so far, but then it just swings the odds as I understand it so a sample of two is not fair), and I feed it anyway because it seems to help ease the stiffness in Narishka's shoulder - caused by a field accident back in 2002. It is supposed to work for people too - not that I am planning any more children of my own! Alexia


Hi Alexia,

Have you had your water tested for ph balance? If not you have to adjust the amount of apple cider vinegar.

Also cleaning out the stallion, i.e., have him breed a dummy a couple of days in a row before actually covering a mare is also helpful as there are more xx's swimming about. Thus it is also suggested to breed a mare late in the season for much the same reason presuming the stallion has been breeding lots ahead of one.


Hi Gari, No, I haven't tested my water's PH. I will try and find out how to do that. Also didn't know about "cleaning the stallion out" - although I don't think that is an easy to arrange option for most of the small breeder stallion owners I am sending to.

Maybe I should invest in some Magic books!!! Alexia
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Deboniks
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Posted - 07 Oct 2008 :  1:56:21 PM  Show Profile  Click to see Deboniks's MSN Messenger address Bookmark this reply Add Deboniks to your friends list Send Deboniks a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hi Gari
I thought you might be interested to see how Magic (Marbon Majali Magic) is coming along.
Your discription of him was very good

Quote Egbert
"Your Magic has a lovely lovely pedigree. I am very intrigued by Ibn Silver...There is so much beauty in that pedigree and doubled with Dajania who was renowned for creating great stallions. With Hanif as a grandsire to Silver...can only imagine that your boy is going to have an incredible personality plus a lot of sweetness via Bright Shadow.

On the dam's side you trace to the incomparabale Silver Ripple who as a maternal granddaughter of *Risira is a virtual guarantee of great if not frequently beautiful descendants-highly elegant with a special sparkle that is unique to this dam line. There are three up close crosses to the Wentworth super horse, Indian Magic. Indian Magic was a unique horse as well. So very beautiful and very sweet with those he loved-Fred Rice was his best pal, he did not suffer fools gladly and had distinct likes and dislikes. Whilst Bright Shadow is such a steadying influence, do take notice of who handles your boy for you as he really needs a pal with whom to work...not someone who would be yanking him around. (note that I am assuming he is a stallion, very beautiful with a killer 'look at me' attitude?) Photos? And yes,
he is Kuhailan Ajuz of Ibn Rodan or Kuhailan Rodania."


Here are a few photos of him now at two years old, what do you think?





Thanks in anticipation


Edited by - Deboniks on 09 Oct 2008 12:17:30 AM
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